American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
Apr 20th 2003, 4:55 am
#91
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:16:11 +0000, Go Fig wrote:
> In article ,
> "devil" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
>> > [email protected]...
>> >
>> >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
>> >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
>> >> is of little significance.
>> >
>> > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
>> > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.
>>
>> Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
>> Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
>> should be.
>
> Well apparently in Canada you can't talk much about Nazi's, and if you
> play a role in Government you might be tossed in jail if you do.
"Talk too much" is a bit of an euphemism though. These are laws against
"hate speech." Not that I particularly dsupport these laws, but one can
probably bring up the "shouting fire" issue.
> In article ,
> "devil" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
>> > [email protected]...
>> >
>> >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
>> >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
>> >> is of little significance.
>> >
>> > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
>> > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.
>>
>> Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
>> Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
>> should be.
>
> Well apparently in Canada you can't talk much about Nazi's, and if you
> play a role in Government you might be tossed in jail if you do.
"Talk too much" is a bit of an euphemism though. These are laws against
"hate speech." Not that I particularly dsupport these laws, but one can
probably bring up the "shouting fire" issue.
Apr 20th 2003, 4:56 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:04:34 +0000, It's Me wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait! AWOL Bush doesn't want you to go there. Unlike China, in
>> >> fact the opposite of the case with China, travel to Cuba keeps them
>> >> from change.
>
> By the way. Bush had nothing to do with this. It was JFK that did that. Are
> all your fact this wrong?
That's not what he said. Bush is decidedly enforcing them, with a bit of
a revenge, so he is factually correct.
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait! AWOL Bush doesn't want you to go there. Unlike China, in
>> >> fact the opposite of the case with China, travel to Cuba keeps them
>> >> from change.
>
> By the way. Bush had nothing to do with this. It was JFK that did that. Are
> all your fact this wrong?
That's not what he said. Bush is decidedly enforcing them, with a bit of
a revenge, so he is factually correct.
Apr 20th 2003, 4:57 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:11:06 +0000, Mike Wilcox wrote:
>
> More people die of the plain old flu every winter.
The flu does not get young and healthy people in intensive care.
>
> More people die of the plain old flu every winter.
The flu does not get young and healthy people in intensive care.
Apr 20th 2003, 4:58 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings &
Johnny Hallyday wrote:
>
> http://www.canada.com/montreal/news/...F-FB41057F7E4E
>
> Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
Johnny, you are in my kill filter in another group because
you spread lies, insult people, make irresponsible
accusations, and try endlessly to divide people. You have
the honor of becoming the first in the can in **this**
group. ***PLONK*** with extreme prejudice.
--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"
>
> http://www.canada.com/montreal/news/...F-FB41057F7E4E
>
> Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
Johnny, you are in my kill filter in another group because
you spread lies, insult people, make irresponsible
accusations, and try endlessly to divide people. You have
the honor of becoming the first in the can in **this**
group. ***PLONK*** with extreme prejudice.
--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"
Apr 20th 2003, 4:58 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:18:05 +0000, It's Me wrote:
> "Roedy Green" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On the other side Canadian truckers are getting their tires slashed
>> and given spurious speeding tickets in America.
>
> You always make up your own facts? This is
> about the bigest lie I've read here yet...
It does appear that these stories *are* true.
> "Roedy Green" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On the other side Canadian truckers are getting their tires slashed
>> and given spurious speeding tickets in America.
>
> You always make up your own facts? This is
> about the bigest lie I've read here yet...
It does appear that these stories *are* true.
Apr 20th 2003, 5:04 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings &
devil wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:59:19 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
> > [email protected]...
> >
> >> You guys are indulging in a bit of wishful
> >> thinking, I would say.
> >
> > Or we don't watch as much television.
> >
> >> For those of us over 50, with relatives in Toronto,
> >> and who had a trip to China planned for this summer,
> >> it's a pretty major issue.
> >
> > You're more likely to be struck by lightning during your trip--no matter
> > what CNN says.
> Today, perhaps. Two months from now, it will be a different story.
> Surely if you go to Hong Kong today, there are risks.
> >> Even if only killing 4% and mostly older folks,
> >> SARS is pretty bad.
> >
> > So is the flu.
> The flu does not get people in intensive care.
> >> In China it is definitely out of control.
> >
> > Yeah, 200 dead, and only 1,000,000,000 left!
> If it doubles every week, that will take 22.25 weeks.
Flu kills more than three times as many people a year as AIDS in Britain, I
would imagine the stats are probably similar in most western countries.
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> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:59:19 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
> > [email protected]...
> >
> >> You guys are indulging in a bit of wishful
> >> thinking, I would say.
> >
> > Or we don't watch as much television.
> >
> >> For those of us over 50, with relatives in Toronto,
> >> and who had a trip to China planned for this summer,
> >> it's a pretty major issue.
> >
> > You're more likely to be struck by lightning during your trip--no matter
> > what CNN says.
> Today, perhaps. Two months from now, it will be a different story.
> Surely if you go to Hong Kong today, there are risks.
> >> Even if only killing 4% and mostly older folks,
> >> SARS is pretty bad.
> >
> > So is the flu.
> The flu does not get people in intensive care.
> >> In China it is definitely out of control.
> >
> > Yeah, 200 dead, and only 1,000,000,000 left!
> If it doubles every week, that will take 22.25 weeks.
Flu kills more than three times as many people a year as AIDS in Britain, I
would imagine the stats are probably similar in most western countries.
Mike Wilcox
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Apr 20th 2003, 5:04 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings &
[email protected] wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2003 12:30:59 -0700, [email protected] (Johnny
> Hallyday) wrote:
>
> >http://www.canada.com/montreal/news/...F-FB41057F7E4E
> >
> >Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> >concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
>
> Why would anyone travel to Canada or France?
> Go to Italy and Spain. Nice people, good food,
> lots of sunshine, plenty to see, much better deal.
If you stay in the countryside of France in gites, you will
spend far less than in Italian agriturismos. You can eat
very cheaply if you buy in bakeries and charcuteries, the
wine is great, and the French people are wonderful.
Why would you **not** want to go to France? Because you are
mad at Chirac? I know someone who didn't go to France for
years because he was mad at de Gaulle. What does Chirac or
de Gaulle have to do with the beauty of the country, the
people, the architecture, the wine or the food?
--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"
>
> On 19 Apr 2003 12:30:59 -0700, [email protected] (Johnny
> Hallyday) wrote:
>
> >http://www.canada.com/montreal/news/...F-FB41057F7E4E
> >
> >Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> >concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
>
> Why would anyone travel to Canada or France?
> Go to Italy and Spain. Nice people, good food,
> lots of sunshine, plenty to see, much better deal.
If you stay in the countryside of France in gites, you will
spend far less than in Italian agriturismos. You can eat
very cheaply if you buy in bakeries and charcuteries, the
wine is great, and the French people are wonderful.
Why would you **not** want to go to France? Because you are
mad at Chirac? I know someone who didn't go to France for
years because he was mad at de Gaulle. What does Chirac or
de Gaulle have to do with the beauty of the country, the
people, the architecture, the wine or the food?
--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"
Apr 20th 2003, 5:18 am
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Re: Vive La France! Re: beatings, muggings etc
"GW" skrev i meddelandet
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> We mustn't let a good myth die, must we?
> What weapons? Were they prohibited by any UN embargo? Was it something
that
> other nations were not doing to this, or any other, dictatorship?
> Specifically, since this seems to be the popular theme: Did France sell
any
> nuclear power stations to Iraq since an embargo was applied by the UN?
AFAIK there wasn't an embargo at that time, sofar you're right
If
> so, when? Was it ALL of France that did so, or was it a single company?
Was
> the contract organized by or sanctioned by the French government?
No doubt officially approved and sanctioned by the French government,
Soviet Union,although with close contacts with Iraq, refused to sell nuclear
technology.
The affair with the nuclear station isn't much to be proud of and France
have been involved in quite a number of dirty or semidirty business on
government level.
Blowing up Pacifik islands with nuclear tests and Rainbow Warrior are some
things to be ashamed of.
But that said I can't find any reason to punish the average French
winefarmer or the lowpaid Parisian hotel cleaning woman.
L.P
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> We mustn't let a good myth die, must we?
> What weapons? Were they prohibited by any UN embargo? Was it something
that
> other nations were not doing to this, or any other, dictatorship?
> Specifically, since this seems to be the popular theme: Did France sell
any
> nuclear power stations to Iraq since an embargo was applied by the UN?
AFAIK there wasn't an embargo at that time, sofar you're right
If
> so, when? Was it ALL of France that did so, or was it a single company?
Was
> the contract organized by or sanctioned by the French government?
No doubt officially approved and sanctioned by the French government,
Soviet Union,although with close contacts with Iraq, refused to sell nuclear
technology.
The affair with the nuclear station isn't much to be proud of and France
have been involved in quite a number of dirty or semidirty business on
government level.
Blowing up Pacifik islands with nuclear tests and Rainbow Warrior are some
things to be ashamed of.
But that said I can't find any reason to punish the average French
winefarmer or the lowpaid Parisian hotel cleaning woman.
L.P
Apr 20th 2003, 5:21 am
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Re: Vive La France! Re: beatings, muggings etc
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:46:03 +0930, "GW" wrote:
>We mustn't let a good myth die, must we?
>What weapons?
missiles
>Were they prohibited by any UN embargo?
yes
>s it something that
>other nations were not doing to this, or any other, dictatorship?
only russia, jordan and syria, next time try to know what you are
talking about before making yourself look so foolish
>We mustn't let a good myth die, must we?
>What weapons?
missiles
>Were they prohibited by any UN embargo?
yes
>s it something that
>other nations were not doing to this, or any other, dictatorship?
only russia, jordan and syria, next time try to know what you are
talking about before making yourself look so foolish
Apr 20th 2003, 5:21 am
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Re: Vive La France! Re: beatings, muggings etc
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:11:56 GMT, "Rojosh" wrote:
>Oh you mean like WE do? The US is the arms dealer to the world.
sorry bub, no sale here, the US did not arm Iraq once sales of arms
were embargoed. next
>Oh you mean like WE do? The US is the arms dealer to the world.
sorry bub, no sale here, the US did not arm Iraq once sales of arms
were embargoed. next
Apr 20th 2003, 5:28 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
In article ,
"devil" wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:16:11 +0000, Go Fig wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > "devil" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>
> >> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
> >> > [email protected]...
> >> >
> >> >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
> >> >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
> >> >> is of little significance.
> >> >
> >> > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
> >> > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.
> >>
> >> Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
> >> Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
> >> should be.
> >
> > Well apparently in Canada you can't talk much about Nazi's, and if you
> > play a role in Government you might be tossed in jail if you do.
>
> "Talk too much" is a bit of an euphemism though. These are laws against
> "hate speech." Not that I particularly dsupport these laws, but one can
> probably bring up the "shouting fire" issue.
>
Hardly, It's the responsibility of the government to provide protection
for free speech so that it is not tantamount to shouting fire.
jay
Sun, Apr 20, 2003
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"devil" wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:16:11 +0000, Go Fig wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > "devil" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>
> >> > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
> >> > [email protected]...
> >> >
> >> >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
> >> >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
> >> >> is of little significance.
> >> >
> >> > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
> >> > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.
> >>
> >> Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
> >> Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
> >> should be.
> >
> > Well apparently in Canada you can't talk much about Nazi's, and if you
> > play a role in Government you might be tossed in jail if you do.
>
> "Talk too much" is a bit of an euphemism though. These are laws against
> "hate speech." Not that I particularly dsupport these laws, but one can
> probably bring up the "shouting fire" issue.
>
Hardly, It's the responsibility of the government to provide protection
for free speech so that it is not tantamount to shouting fire.
jay
Sun, Apr 20, 2003
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Apr 20th 2003, 5:40 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
It's Me wrote:
>> But otherwise, I would say rather the opposite. There are no laws against
>> sodomy in Canada, for instance.
> This is something to be proud of???
Proud of not trying to control private behavior of consenting adults, like
religion or sexual preference? Sure.
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>> But otherwise, I would say rather the opposite. There are no laws against
>> sodomy in Canada, for instance.
> This is something to be proud of???
Proud of not trying to control private behavior of consenting adults, like
religion or sexual preference? Sure.
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Apr 20th 2003, 5:40 am
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Re: American Tourists are Avoiding France & Montreal Due to Muggings & Beatings! Avoid!
"Doug" skrev i meddelandet
> > Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> > concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
> Can't speak for the wimpy Americans that are afraid of getting beaten
> by frogs, but I am a Canadian that avoids Montreal myself.
> I prefer traveling around Queerbec and going through New York state.
> New Yorkers treat English Canadians much better and even have signs we
> can read.
Are the signs invisible ? Why not bother to learn some French if that
happens to be the second language in your country ? In Finland many people
have learnt both languages although Swedish is counting for about 10% (?)
only and in Switzerland you can expect most to speak French, German and
Italian isn't unlikely. I've travelled through Quebec and found no problem
communicating in English and they were as nice and polite as in rest of
Canada.
> Queerbec is more like a hostile foreign country for many English
> Canadians.
I had much discussions with Canadians while travelling "The Canadian"
Toronto-Vancouver and they told me yes we know that cars with Toronto signs
sometimes are damaged in Quebec but that's not preventing us from going.
> > Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
> > concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
> Can't speak for the wimpy Americans that are afraid of getting beaten
> by frogs, but I am a Canadian that avoids Montreal myself.
> I prefer traveling around Queerbec and going through New York state.
> New Yorkers treat English Canadians much better and even have signs we
> can read.
Are the signs invisible ? Why not bother to learn some French if that
happens to be the second language in your country ? In Finland many people
have learnt both languages although Swedish is counting for about 10% (?)
only and in Switzerland you can expect most to speak French, German and
Italian isn't unlikely. I've travelled through Quebec and found no problem
communicating in English and they were as nice and polite as in rest of
Canada.
> Queerbec is more like a hostile foreign country for many English
> Canadians.
I had much discussions with Canadians while travelling "The Canadian"
Toronto-Vancouver and they told me yes we know that cars with Toronto signs
sometimes are damaged in Quebec but that's not preventing us from going.
Apr 20th 2003, 5:41 am
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John Starrett wrote:
> I would like to go to Cuba some day. Sounds like a pretty
> cool place if you are a tourist.
I don't think you'll have to wait much longer. Fidel Castro is an old man,
and I can't imagine mustering up the self-defeating willpower to keep the
boycott going much after he gives up the ghost.
miguel
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> I would like to go to Cuba some day. Sounds like a pretty
> cool place if you are a tourist.
I don't think you'll have to wait much longer. Fidel Castro is an old man,
and I can't imagine mustering up the self-defeating willpower to keep the
boycott going much after he gives up the ghost.
miguel
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Apr 20th 2003, 5:42 am
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It's Me wrote:
> I don't see why they need too... There is no way someone could see or do
> everything there is to see and do in a lifetime in the US. If Americans
> would just stay home and keep their money here, our economy would be great
> and the rest of you liberal governments could go to hell.. Starting with
> those sorry two faced people to the north of us.
Take an economics class. Without foreign capital, resources and markets this
place would be a backwater.
miguel
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> I don't see why they need too... There is no way someone could see or do
> everything there is to see and do in a lifetime in the US. If Americans
> would just stay home and keep their money here, our economy would be great
> and the rest of you liberal governments could go to hell.. Starting with
> those sorry two faced people to the north of us.
Take an economics class. Without foreign capital, resources and markets this
place would be a backwater.
miguel
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