Rojosh

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:45:55 GMT, "Mark Marinelli"
    > wrote:
    > >.
    > >
    > >
    > >German soldiers could walk the streets of Paris without their weapons.
    > >And, in fact, Paris was a favorite tourist trap for German soldiers on
    > >leave
    > >
    > >
    > >Yes we are all sure you would have been out there shooting 'em up .
    > >
    > >The French people are peaceful and party loving. They love to sing and
eat
    > >and make love.
    > >
    > and sell weapons to embargoed countries

Oh you mean like WE do? The US is the arms dealer to the world.

Devil

On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:52:57 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:


    >
    > Yes, we are considering Canada for next year.

The BC coast and the Canadian rockies are wonderful.

(Trying to buy a house with mountain view. :-))

Mxsmanic

"devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > Occasional restriction on publication by courts
    > to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
    > is of little significance.

All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.

Mxsmanic

"devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > You guys are indulging in a bit of wishful
    > thinking, I would say.

Or we don't watch as much television.

    > For those of us over 50, with relatives in Toronto,
    > and who had a trip to China planned for this summer,
    > it's a pretty major issue.

You're more likely to be struck by lightning during your trip--no matter
what CNN says.

    > Even if only killing 4% and mostly older folks,
    > SARS is pretty bad.

So is the flu.

    > In China it is definitely out of control.

Yeah, 200 dead, and only 1,000,000,000 left!

    > Anyway, if we don't get a vaccine out very
    > quick, odds are SARS will kill 4% of the population
    > of China.

Which television channel told you that?

    > Or is it like the Iraq war, since it's in
    > some hypothetical far away land,
    > this is just TV, made in Hollywood?

It's like the Iraq war ... exaggerated, sensationalized, and distorted in
order to improve TV ratings, with all concern for truth and balance in
reporting tossed out the window.

It'S Me

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    > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:31:46 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    > > "ronin" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > > [email protected]...
    > >
    > >> Canadains are free to go to Cuba anytime they like.
    > >>
    > >> And they do because they're free.
    > >
    > > They may be free abroad, but they have many restrictions on their
liberties
    > > at home compared to the U.S.
    > Nonsense.
    > OK, sure there are restrictions on guns. Occasional restriction on
    > publication by courts to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
    > is of little significance.
    > But otherwise, I would say rather the opposite. There are no laws against
    > sodomy in Canada, for instance.

This is something to be proud of???

Devil

On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

    > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    >
    >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
    >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
    >> is of little significance.
    >
    > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
    > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
should be.

In any event, we are merely dealing with temporory bans, and usually on
pretty sensationalist details of gory murders and the like. Not as if
there were major society issues at stake.

If I wanted to make a case, I would rather use hate speech restrictions.
Even on that one though, I am sure someone will quickly come up with the
shouting fire in a theater counterexample.

Devil

On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:59:21 +0000, It's Me wrote:

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    > "devil" wrote in message
    >> But otherwise, I would say rather the opposite. There are no laws against
    >> sodomy in Canada, for instance.
    >
    > This is something to be proud of???

Proud of?

Not particularly. OTOH I would be ashamed of having such a
law on the books.

It'S Me

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    > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:25:49 GMT, "ronin" wrote:
    > >
    > > wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:08:48 -0500, Ken Pisichko
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >[email protected] wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >Why would anyone travel to Canada or France?
    > >> >
    > >> >> Go to Italy and Spain. Nice people, good food,
    > >> >> lots of sunshine, plenty to see, much better deal.
    > >> >
    > >> >OTOH, why bother to travel at all. Save your money stay at home.
Forget
    > >about experiencing
    > >> >the world and leave any of your savings to your estate while you forgo
    > >any experiences you
    > >> >would have had by going to other countries.
    > >> >
    > >> >No such thing as a "bad" country to visit. They are all a part of
life's
    > >experiences.
    > >> >Having travelled through some real hell-holes (including several in
the
    > >middle of or
    > >> >recovering from a civil war), I'll be the first to state that some
    > >countries seem to be
    > >> >more pleasant to visit than others. However by going to more and more
    > >places do you
    > >> >realize that no place has a monopoly on good/bad people. There are
great
    > >folks in the
    > >> >toughest hell-hole and real scoundrels in otherwise great places.
    > >> >
    > >> >Enjoy! - regardless of where you go.
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Go to Cuba. Its a beautiful country and the people are great and the
    > >> music is out of this world.
    > >>
    > >> Oh, wait! AWOL Bush doesn't want you to go there. Unlike China, in
    > >> fact the opposite of the case with China, travel to Cuba keeps them
    > >> from change.

By the way. Bush had nothing to do with this. It was JFK that did that. Are
all your fact this wrong?


    > >
    > >Canadains are free to go to Cuba anytime they like.
    > >
    > >And they do because they're free.
    > >
    > >Maybe the US should end the embargo..
    > >
    > >
    > AWOL Bush wants MORE restrictions
    > Restrictions apparently make us more free.

I hope he make Canada a country of OFF LIMITS too. At lest Quebec..

It'S Me

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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    > "Axqi Rqvst" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > BAC76A0A.631E%[email protected]...
    > > All the more reason why Americans should only
    > > travel on holiday to places where they can
    > > legally carry their weapons.
    > In other words, they should never leave the United States.
I don't see why they need too... There is no way someone could see or do
everything there is to see and do in a lifetime in the US. If Americans
would just stay home and keep their money here, our economy would be great
and the rest of you liberal governments could go to hell.. Starting with
those sorry two faced people to the north of us.

Mike Wilcox

Steve wrote:

    > "Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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    > > "Johnny Hallyday" a écrit dans le message
    > de
    > > news: [email protected]...
    > >
    > > > I would also avoid Canada because
    > > > that SARS virus is out of control in
    > > > Canada. Thousands of people could die.
    > >
    > > SARS out of control? Even in China it is only affecting one person in a
    > > million, and the mortality rate is under 10%. You've got to stop watching
    > > CNN all the time.
    > Well said - thanks for bringing a bit of sensibility to this thread. One
    > should also keep in mind of the mortality rate, many of those people were
    > already ill, had medical problems and/or compromised immune systems.
    > Influenza - the flu, has resulted in more fatalities than SARS has - but
    > thankfully there are immunizations for the flu.
    > I think we can thank the press for all of the SARS fears getting out of
    > hand. If it were not for the war, I'd be willing to bet SARS would be 24/7
    > news coverage and the fears would be much worse.
    > Regards,
    > Steve

More people die of the plain old flu every winter.

Mike Wilcox

Mike Wilcox

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    > > Occasional restriction on publication by courts
    > > to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
    > > is of little significance.
    > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
    > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.

Then you guys really have something to worry about, Patriot acts I & II soon
playing in a town near you ;~))



Mike Wilcox

Go Fig

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"devil" wrote:

    > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:18 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >
    > > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > > [email protected]...
    > >
    > >> Occasional restriction on publication by courts
    > >> to protect the rights of the accused. Most of this
    > >> is of little significance.
    > >
    > > All forms of censorship are significant. When societies lose their civil
    > > rights, it always begins with restrictions on freedom of speech.
    >
    > Freedom of speech is important. Right to a fair trial is important.
    > Issue is the balance. I'll be happy to let the courts decide on where it
    > should be.

Well apparently in Canada you can't talk much about Nazi's, and if you
play a role in Government you might be tossed in jail if you do.


The only issue here is denial of speech, nothing balances that.

jay
Sun, Apr 20, 2003
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    >
    > In any event, we are merely dealing with temporory bans, and usually on
    > pretty sensationalist details of gory murders and the like. Not as if
    > there were major society issues at stake.
    >
    > If I wanted to make a case, I would rather use hate speech restrictions.
    > Even on that one though, I am sure someone will quickly come up with the
    > shouting fire in a theater counterexample.

--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

John Starrett

Limbaugh, Fart, Detector wrote:

    > Go to Cuba. Its a beautiful country and the people are great and the
    > music is out of this world.
    >
    > Oh, wait! AWOL Bush doesn't want you to go there. Unlike China, in
    > fact the opposite of the case with China, travel to Cuba keeps them
    > from change.

I would like to go to Cuba some day. Sounds like a pretty
cool place if you are a tourist.

--
John Starrett

"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"

It'S Me

"Roedy Green" wrote in message
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    > On 19 Apr 2003 12:30:59 -0700, [email protected] (Johnny
    > Hallyday) wrote or quoted :
    > >Americans are avoiding France and most of Canada. They are too
    > >concerned after hearing about Americans being robbed and beaten.
    > On the other side Canadian truckers are getting their tires slashed
    > and given spurious speeding tickets in America.

You always make up your own facts? This is
about the bigest lie I've read here yet...


    > The people who will suffer will the be thousands of mom and pop resort
    > operators in America and Canada.
    > On the other hand European tourists will tend more to visit Canada
    > than the USA, so perhaps the Canadian resort owners will do ok.
They wont for long if your peaceful people of canada throw rocks and spit on
12 year old kids from their country that are just there for a soccer
match... You people are despicable, lowlife pieces of shit

Devil

On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:59:19 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

    > "devil" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    >
    >> You guys are indulging in a bit of wishful
    >> thinking, I would say.
    >
    > Or we don't watch as much television.
    >
    >> For those of us over 50, with relatives in Toronto,
    >> and who had a trip to China planned for this summer,
    >> it's a pretty major issue.
    >
    > You're more likely to be struck by lightning during your trip--no matter
    > what CNN says.

Today, perhaps. Two months from now, it will be a different story.
Surely if you go to Hong Kong today, there are risks.

    >> Even if only killing 4% and mostly older folks,
    >> SARS is pretty bad.
    >
    > So is the flu.

The flu does not get people in intensive care.

    >> In China it is definitely out of control.
    >
    > Yeah, 200 dead, and only 1,000,000,000 left!

If it doubles every week, that will take 22.25 weeks.