Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
May 31st 2003, 6:31 pm
#61
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Re: Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
On 31/05/03 22:38, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" wrote:
> In Paris. 31 degrees today and 61% humidity. Therefore I run the A/C.
> I tried to go for a walk, but it was too warm and humid to enjoy it.
You are a heat sissy! 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
The weather is nice, it gives a chance to open the windows and get
some "real" air (except for the Parisian air pollution, largely
caused by automobiles).
Anyway, it thundered last night but we got no rain, it will be the same
today and drop 5 degrees C tomorrow.
We had no problem sleeping last night except for our hot dachshund who
sleeps with us.
Oh, yes, he was NOT panting yesterday. He starts panting a bit around
35 C and that makes me feel warm seeing him pant.
Earl
"Mxsmanic" wrote:
> In Paris. 31 degrees today and 61% humidity. Therefore I run the A/C.
> I tried to go for a walk, but it was too warm and humid to enjoy it.
You are a heat sissy! 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
The weather is nice, it gives a chance to open the windows and get
some "real" air (except for the Parisian air pollution, largely
caused by automobiles).
Anyway, it thundered last night but we got no rain, it will be the same
today and drop 5 degrees C tomorrow.
We had no problem sleeping last night except for our hot dachshund who
sleeps with us.
Oh, yes, he was NOT panting yesterday. He starts panting a bit around
35 C and that makes me feel warm seeing him pant.
Earl
May 31st 2003, 8:19 pm
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Re: Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
In article ,
[email protected] says...
> How widespread is air conditioning in European countries, both in the work
> place and people's homes?
>
> Is it viewed as a luxury? or a "North American style" oddity, or just
> another appliance that some people have and some don't.
>
> thanks for any feedback (I'm serious in my question, not trying to provoke
> any kind of trolling)
> John.
In NL:
At home: extremely rare
At work: some of the modern office buildings have it but it's almost
never set to the fridge levels americans prefer.
Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
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Jeroen Wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
[email protected] says...
> How widespread is air conditioning in European countries, both in the work
> place and people's homes?
>
> Is it viewed as a luxury? or a "North American style" oddity, or just
> another appliance that some people have and some don't.
>
> thanks for any feedback (I'm serious in my question, not trying to provoke
> any kind of trolling)
> John.
In NL:
At home: extremely rare
At work: some of the modern office buildings have it but it's almost
never set to the fridge levels americans prefer.
Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards
Jeroen Wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
May 31st 2003, 8:33 pm
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Re: Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
On 1/06/03 8:14, in article
[email protected], "Gregory
Morrow" wrote:
> Most of the victims of the 1995 heat wave were the elderly in the heart of
> the urban area.
A more complicated problem would be to factor into the statistics the
probability of the old people dying anyway, within a certain, near future,
time period. The heat wave speeds up what would happen anyway, with some
people.
Some big killer incidents are no longer occurring, like the killer smogs
of the late 1940s early 1950s. The great killer smog of London may
have killed something like 4000 people in 5 days. Now the longer term
exposure to air pollution may be doing a lot more people in as lung
are documented in urban areas. These are slow deaths so do not attract
media interest.
Some of this is hard to scientifically document but recent work indicates
that acid rains, which largely fall in the Eastern part of the US, not the
West, does cause deaths, statistically. One might suspect that breathing
low concentrations of sulfuric and nitric acids might have an effect anyway
on death rates but not dramatic enough for even the stupid to recognize
a problem.
Ozone in the LA area has long been cited as creating lung disorders, a
web search of "ozone lung LA" yields around 50,000 Google hits. Now
urban ozone is a general problem, it occurs here in Paris. I have
noticed myself, that I cough more in Paris than when on vacation
or outside the city, sufficiently so that I went to a lung specialist.
No big problem, just air pollution! The ozone problem rises with
temperature and a lack of air movement. One does not need air
conditioning to reduce temperatures but to reduce pollution. Such
air conditioning is not for general sale.
Air conditioning does not combat these menaces. In fact, the damage
that ozone does to plants in the LA area was first found at Caltech
in the late 1940s in the Ehrhart plant research lab, which had both air
filtering and air conditioning to keep disease causing bacteria and viruses
from entering. When plants were showing damage anyway, the researchers
wanted to know why. They found out the cause was ozone, but it took years
to trace down what was causing the ozone generation. We and our automobiles
were the enemy.
Earl
[email protected], "Gregory
Morrow" wrote:
> Most of the victims of the 1995 heat wave were the elderly in the heart of
> the urban area.
A more complicated problem would be to factor into the statistics the
probability of the old people dying anyway, within a certain, near future,
time period. The heat wave speeds up what would happen anyway, with some
people.
Some big killer incidents are no longer occurring, like the killer smogs
of the late 1940s early 1950s. The great killer smog of London may
have killed something like 4000 people in 5 days. Now the longer term
exposure to air pollution may be doing a lot more people in as lung
are documented in urban areas. These are slow deaths so do not attract
media interest.
Some of this is hard to scientifically document but recent work indicates
that acid rains, which largely fall in the Eastern part of the US, not the
West, does cause deaths, statistically. One might suspect that breathing
low concentrations of sulfuric and nitric acids might have an effect anyway
on death rates but not dramatic enough for even the stupid to recognize
a problem.
Ozone in the LA area has long been cited as creating lung disorders, a
web search of "ozone lung LA" yields around 50,000 Google hits. Now
urban ozone is a general problem, it occurs here in Paris. I have
noticed myself, that I cough more in Paris than when on vacation
or outside the city, sufficiently so that I went to a lung specialist.
No big problem, just air pollution! The ozone problem rises with
temperature and a lack of air movement. One does not need air
conditioning to reduce temperatures but to reduce pollution. Such
air conditioning is not for general sale.
Air conditioning does not combat these menaces. In fact, the damage
that ozone does to plants in the LA area was first found at Caltech
in the late 1940s in the Ehrhart plant research lab, which had both air
filtering and air conditioning to keep disease causing bacteria and viruses
from entering. When plants were showing damage anyway, the researchers
wanted to know why. They found out the cause was ozone, but it took years
to trace down what was causing the ozone generation. We and our automobiles
were the enemy.
Earl
May 31st 2003, 9:23 pm
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Earl Evleth writes:
> You are a heat sissy!
I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
> 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
It is if you plan to do anything except sit quietly in the shade.
> The weather is nice ...
The weather is uncomfortably warm.
> ... it gives a chance to open the windows and get
> some "real" air (except for the Parisian air pollution, largely
> caused by automobiles).
Air pollution has been at alert levels for several days. It is
currently at level 6 today.
> Anyway, it thundered last night but we got no rain, it
> will be the same today and drop 5 degrees C tomorrow.
Thunder without rain isn't very useful. It does not clean the air, and
it does not lower temperatures; it just raises humidity.
--
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> You are a heat sissy!
I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
> 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
It is if you plan to do anything except sit quietly in the shade.
> The weather is nice ...
The weather is uncomfortably warm.
> ... it gives a chance to open the windows and get
> some "real" air (except for the Parisian air pollution, largely
> caused by automobiles).
Air pollution has been at alert levels for several days. It is
currently at level 6 today.
> Anyway, it thundered last night but we got no rain, it
> will be the same today and drop 5 degrees C tomorrow.
Thunder without rain isn't very useful. It does not clean the air, and
it does not lower temperatures; it just raises humidity.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
May 31st 2003, 9:25 pm
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jeroen writes:
> Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
One of the great advantages to working in IT, except that computer rooms
often have the humidity set uncomfortably high as well.
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> Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
One of the great advantages to working in IT, except that computer rooms
often have the humidity set uncomfortably high as well.
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May 31st 2003, 9:32 pm
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Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 1/06/03 8:14, in article
> [email protected], "Gregory
> Morrow" wrote:
> > Most of the victims of the 1995 heat wave were the elderly in the heart
of
> > the urban area.
> A more complicated problem would be to factor into the statistics the
> probability of the old people dying anyway, within a certain, near future,
> time period. The heat wave speeds up what would happen anyway, with some
> people.
Doing a google search for "chicago heat wave 1995" brings up all kinds of
studies on this topic (there is even an excellent book on the subject
entitled _Heat Wave_). The results are still being studied today. One of
the things that aided researchers was the fact that everyone who was found
dead during that time was required to undergo an autopsy (as a matter of
fact nine refrigerator trucks were used to store the bodies "stacked up"
outside of the County Morgue...)....
> Some big killer incidents are no longer occurring, like the killer smogs
> of the late 1940s early 1950s. The great killer smog of London may
> have killed something like 4000 people in 5 days. Now the longer term
> exposure to air pollution may be doing a lot more people in as lung
> are documented in urban areas. These are slow deaths so do not attract
> media interest.
> Some of this is hard to scientifically document but recent work indicates
> that acid rains, which largely fall in the Eastern part of the US, not the
> West, does cause deaths, statistically. One might suspect that breathing
> low concentrations of sulfuric and nitric acids might have an effect
anyway
> on death rates but not dramatic enough for even the stupid to recognize
> a problem.
> Ozone in the LA area has long been cited as creating lung disorders, a
> web search of "ozone lung LA" yields around 50,000 Google hits. Now
> urban ozone is a general problem, it occurs here in Paris. I have
> noticed myself, that I cough more in Paris than when on vacation
> or outside the city, sufficiently so that I went to a lung specialist.
> No big problem, just air pollution! The ozone problem rises with
> temperature and a lack of air movement. One does not need air
> conditioning to reduce temperatures but to reduce pollution. Such
> air conditioning is not for general sale.
I was once in Los Angeles in August and between the ozone problem and the
stagnant hot air, I've never found it so difficult to breathe, and this was
in 1980 when I was a bit younger. It was ghastly....
There is an ozone problem sometimes in Chicago but we have Lake Michigan and
a lack of mountains so there is little in the way of "trapped" air except
for a few days maybe during a heatwave....
> Air conditioning does not combat these menaces. In fact, the damage
> that ozone does to plants in the LA area was first found at Caltech
> in the late 1940s in the Ehrhart plant research lab, which had both air
> filtering and air conditioning to keep disease causing bacteria and
viruses
> from entering. When plants were showing damage anyway, the researchers
> wanted to know why. They found out the cause was ozone, but it took years
> to trace down what was causing the ozone generation. We and our
automobiles
> were the enemy.
Oh, why was the LA streetcar system ever dismantled!? In it's day, it was a
fairly effecient way to get around...but the auto, oil, and tire industries
thought otherwise :-(
--
Best
Greg
> On 1/06/03 8:14, in article
> [email protected], "Gregory
> Morrow" wrote:
> > Most of the victims of the 1995 heat wave were the elderly in the heart
of
> > the urban area.
> A more complicated problem would be to factor into the statistics the
> probability of the old people dying anyway, within a certain, near future,
> time period. The heat wave speeds up what would happen anyway, with some
> people.
Doing a google search for "chicago heat wave 1995" brings up all kinds of
studies on this topic (there is even an excellent book on the subject
entitled _Heat Wave_). The results are still being studied today. One of
the things that aided researchers was the fact that everyone who was found
dead during that time was required to undergo an autopsy (as a matter of
fact nine refrigerator trucks were used to store the bodies "stacked up"
outside of the County Morgue...)....
> Some big killer incidents are no longer occurring, like the killer smogs
> of the late 1940s early 1950s. The great killer smog of London may
> have killed something like 4000 people in 5 days. Now the longer term
> exposure to air pollution may be doing a lot more people in as lung
> are documented in urban areas. These are slow deaths so do not attract
> media interest.
> Some of this is hard to scientifically document but recent work indicates
> that acid rains, which largely fall in the Eastern part of the US, not the
> West, does cause deaths, statistically. One might suspect that breathing
> low concentrations of sulfuric and nitric acids might have an effect
anyway
> on death rates but not dramatic enough for even the stupid to recognize
> a problem.
> Ozone in the LA area has long been cited as creating lung disorders, a
> web search of "ozone lung LA" yields around 50,000 Google hits. Now
> urban ozone is a general problem, it occurs here in Paris. I have
> noticed myself, that I cough more in Paris than when on vacation
> or outside the city, sufficiently so that I went to a lung specialist.
> No big problem, just air pollution! The ozone problem rises with
> temperature and a lack of air movement. One does not need air
> conditioning to reduce temperatures but to reduce pollution. Such
> air conditioning is not for general sale.
I was once in Los Angeles in August and between the ozone problem and the
stagnant hot air, I've never found it so difficult to breathe, and this was
in 1980 when I was a bit younger. It was ghastly....
There is an ozone problem sometimes in Chicago but we have Lake Michigan and
a lack of mountains so there is little in the way of "trapped" air except
for a few days maybe during a heatwave....
> Air conditioning does not combat these menaces. In fact, the damage
> that ozone does to plants in the LA area was first found at Caltech
> in the late 1940s in the Ehrhart plant research lab, which had both air
> filtering and air conditioning to keep disease causing bacteria and
viruses
> from entering. When plants were showing damage anyway, the researchers
> wanted to know why. They found out the cause was ozone, but it took years
> to trace down what was causing the ozone generation. We and our
automobiles
> were the enemy.
Oh, why was the LA streetcar system ever dismantled!? In it's day, it was a
fairly effecient way to get around...but the auto, oil, and tire industries
thought otherwise :-(
--
Best
Greg
May 31st 2003, 9:37 pm
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
> > You are a heat sissy!
> I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
> don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
> use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
> temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
> > 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
> It is if you plan to do anything except sit quietly in the shade.
> > The weather is nice ...
> The weather is uncomfortably warm.
I'm with you, Max, that is *hot* (it's 88 degress F.) at least to me. I'd
certainly use the A/C, at least for sleeping.....
--
Best
Greg
> Earl Evleth writes:
> > You are a heat sissy!
> I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
> don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
> use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
> temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
> > 31 is not hot and 61% is not out of line.
> It is if you plan to do anything except sit quietly in the shade.
> > The weather is nice ...
> The weather is uncomfortably warm.
I'm with you, Max, that is *hot* (it's 88 degress F.) at least to me. I'd
certainly use the A/C, at least for sleeping.....
--
Best
Greg
May 31st 2003, 9:55 pm
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Marie Lewis wrote:
> In article , Elaine
> writes
> >In northern Europe (well the UK anyway) heating is a necessity for 6 or 7
> >months a year, whereas airconditioning might make life a bit more
> >comfortable for a couple of weeks a year - that's hardly the same thing.
>
>
> Up here int' north, we have the heating on for at least 8 months a year.
> At least.
Yes, it depends on location. In London, I definitely didn't need to use
the heating as much as I do up here, and my parents in Scotland have
been known to turn on the heating in July, if you can believe that! Even
locally, there can be big variations- we live near Bury, and it always
feels a bit colder than central Manchester or, say, Altrincham. The
latter two are lower, which is probably the biggest factor. Still, it's
been positively balmy the last few days- making up a bit for the
rainiest May on record. I just hope it rains here (sorry!) next week
while we're in Spain, so the all the flowers are OK.
David
--
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davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> In article , Elaine
> writes
> >In northern Europe (well the UK anyway) heating is a necessity for 6 or 7
> >months a year, whereas airconditioning might make life a bit more
> >comfortable for a couple of weeks a year - that's hardly the same thing.
>
>
> Up here int' north, we have the heating on for at least 8 months a year.
> At least.
Yes, it depends on location. In London, I definitely didn't need to use
the heating as much as I do up here, and my parents in Scotland have
been known to turn on the heating in July, if you can believe that! Even
locally, there can be big variations- we live near Bury, and it always
feels a bit colder than central Manchester or, say, Altrincham. The
latter two are lower, which is probably the biggest factor. Still, it's
been positively balmy the last few days- making up a bit for the
rainiest May on record. I just hope it rains here (sorry!) next week
while we're in Spain, so the all the flowers are OK.
David
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.co.uk
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 31st 2003, 10:02 pm
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> Coldness makes people sick, heat has no ill effects ecxept feeling
> uncomfortable.
That's not correct. I've been in extremely severe heat waves in US
cities where, daily, several people died (usually the elderly) as a
direct result of the weather conditions. Indeed, they have emergency
drives to ensure that the elderly have fans or A/C when the heat waves
occur. Even younger people die during these conditions. I'm pretty sure
that you'll even find heat a factor in some deaths in northern Europe-
albeit on a much less severe scale.
David
--
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davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Coldness makes people sick, heat has no ill effects ecxept feeling
> uncomfortable.
That's not correct. I've been in extremely severe heat waves in US
cities where, daily, several people died (usually the elderly) as a
direct result of the weather conditions. Indeed, they have emergency
drives to ensure that the elderly have fans or A/C when the heat waves
occur. Even younger people die during these conditions. I'm pretty sure
that you'll even find heat a factor in some deaths in northern Europe-
albeit on a much less severe scale.
David
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.co.uk
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 31st 2003, 10:05 pm
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In article ,
[email protected] says...
> jeroen writes:
>
> > Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
>
> One of the great advantages to working in IT, except that computer rooms
> often have the humidity set uncomfortably high as well.
>
>
>
I don't know where you work but the ones I see always have it somewhere
between 30 and 45% which is just fine for me.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards
Jeroen Wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
[email protected] says...
> jeroen writes:
>
> > Only exception is computer server rooms of course.
>
> One of the great advantages to working in IT, except that computer rooms
> often have the humidity set uncomfortably high as well.
>
>
>
I don't know where you work but the ones I see always have it somewhere
between 30 and 45% which is just fine for me.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards
Jeroen Wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
May 31st 2003, 10:36 pm
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> Coldness makes people sick, heat has no ill effects ecxept feeling
> uncomfortable. Therefore heating is a vital necessity, cooling is but a
> dispensable amenity.
Nope:
http://www.sws.uiuc.edu/atmos/statecli/General/heat.htm
"According to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, an average of 384 people die from heat every year. This is more
than the deaths caused by floods (135), lightning (85), tornadoes (73), and
hurricanes (25) combined. Heat can be especially deadly in large urban areas
that can become heat islands. Brick buildings, asphalt streets, and tar
roofs store heat and radiate is like a slow burning furnace. Temperatures
can be several degrees hotter in the city than in nearby suburbs and rural
areas. In these situations, the elderly, infants, and young children, and
people with chronic health problems are most at risk. Of the 525 heat
related deaths in Chicago in the July 1995 heat wave, 73 percent were
elderly.
[...]
Prolonged exposure to intense heat can lead to heat cramps, heat exhaustion,
or heat stroke. Heat cramps and exhaustion can be treated by resting in a
cool place and drinking sips of cool water. Heat stroke is a severe medical
emergency, which can be fatal if emergency medical treatment is not received
in a timely manner. Get the victim to a cool place. Reduce body temperature
with a cool bath or sponging. Do not give fluids to a heat-stroke victim."
--
Best
Greg
> Coldness makes people sick, heat has no ill effects ecxept feeling
> uncomfortable. Therefore heating is a vital necessity, cooling is but a
> dispensable amenity.
Nope:
http://www.sws.uiuc.edu/atmos/statecli/General/heat.htm
"According to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, an average of 384 people die from heat every year. This is more
than the deaths caused by floods (135), lightning (85), tornadoes (73), and
hurricanes (25) combined. Heat can be especially deadly in large urban areas
that can become heat islands. Brick buildings, asphalt streets, and tar
roofs store heat and radiate is like a slow burning furnace. Temperatures
can be several degrees hotter in the city than in nearby suburbs and rural
areas. In these situations, the elderly, infants, and young children, and
people with chronic health problems are most at risk. Of the 525 heat
related deaths in Chicago in the July 1995 heat wave, 73 percent were
elderly.
[...]
Prolonged exposure to intense heat can lead to heat cramps, heat exhaustion,
or heat stroke. Heat cramps and exhaustion can be treated by resting in a
cool place and drinking sips of cool water. Heat stroke is a severe medical
emergency, which can be fatal if emergency medical treatment is not received
in a timely manner. Get the victim to a cool place. Reduce body temperature
with a cool bath or sponging. Do not give fluids to a heat-stroke victim."
--
Best
Greg
May 31st 2003, 11:45 pm
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Dans l'article
, "Gregory
Morrow" a écrit :
> Oh, why was the LA streetcar system ever dismantled!? In it's day, it was a
> fairly effecient way to get around...but the auto, oil, and tire industries
> thought otherwise :-(
> --
> Best
> Greg
I am a native Angeleno. I remember that streeetcar system well, having
ridden it often, notably to go to school. I was very, very sorry to see it
go. And sometimes when I visit LA, and drive along double drives that have
a big lawn divider, I sigh and remember what used to be there. The system
was replaced by buses, which were never as efficient, in my opinion, and
tangled snakes of freeways, all of which were obsolete the day they opened.
Donna Evleth
>
, "Gregory
Morrow" a écrit :
> Oh, why was the LA streetcar system ever dismantled!? In it's day, it was a
> fairly effecient way to get around...but the auto, oil, and tire industries
> thought otherwise :-(
> --
> Best
> Greg
I am a native Angeleno. I remember that streeetcar system well, having
ridden it often, notably to go to school. I was very, very sorry to see it
go. And sometimes when I visit LA, and drive along double drives that have
a big lawn divider, I sigh and remember what used to be there. The system
was replaced by buses, which were never as efficient, in my opinion, and
tangled snakes of freeways, all of which were obsolete the day they opened.
Donna Evleth
>
May 31st 2003, 11:45 pm
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Dans l'article , Mxsmanic
a écrit :
> Earl Evleth writes:
>> Just with my wife, she is an historian of the
>> WWII period, especially the occupation period.
>> With about a 1000 books and piles of dossiers
>> scattered throughout her office, WWII is still
>> in progress.
> She should feel right at home in Europe, then, where most people still
> behave as if rationing were in effect (except for alcohol, tobacco, and
> gasoline).
What in the world does that comment mean, Mxsmanic? How do we behave as if
rationing were still in effect? Please be specific.
Donna Evleth
> --
> Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
a écrit :
> Earl Evleth writes:
>> Just with my wife, she is an historian of the
>> WWII period, especially the occupation period.
>> With about a 1000 books and piles of dossiers
>> scattered throughout her office, WWII is still
>> in progress.
> She should feel right at home in Europe, then, where most people still
> behave as if rationing were in effect (except for alcohol, tobacco, and
> gasoline).
What in the world does that comment mean, Mxsmanic? How do we behave as if
rationing were still in effect? Please be specific.
Donna Evleth
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May 31st 2003, 11:54 pm
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Re: Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
Mxsmanic wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> She should feel right at home in Europe, then, where most people still
> behave as if rationing were in effect (except for alcohol, tobacco, and
> gasoline).
You misunderstood something. People who count calories nowadays do it for
slimming. Those "bunkers" are really office buildings. And not letting
Germany win Eurovision is because we've been hiring the same composer for
17 years and never realise that he's not that good really.
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news:[email protected]:
> She should feel right at home in Europe, then, where most people still
> behave as if rationing were in effect (except for alcohol, tobacco, and
> gasoline).
You misunderstood something. People who count calories nowadays do it for
slimming. Those "bunkers" are really office buildings. And not letting
Germany win Eurovision is because we've been hiring the same composer for
17 years and never realise that he's not that good really.
Regards
--
bash/Breakbeat/Haribo
http://www.wschwanke.de/
Jun 1st 2003, 12:02 am
#75
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Re: Air Conditioning & Europe - at work and at home.
On 1/06/03 11:23, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" wrote:
>> You are a heat sissy!
>
> I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
> don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
> use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
> temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
I am not talking about the past, but the present.
You gone weak.
We turn off the A/C when we can in the US, figuring they are
trying to kill us.
Earl
"Mxsmanic" wrote:
>> You are a heat sissy!
>
> I was born and raised in a desert. I've endured much worse. I just
> don't see any reason to endure heat unnecessarily. When I have A/C, I
> use it, and I use it as soon as it gets warm--I do not wait for
> temperatures of 120 degrees just to prove that I'm not a "sissy."
I am not talking about the past, but the present.
You gone weak.
We turn off the A/C when we can in the US, figuring they are
trying to kill us.
Earl
