Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Apr 3rd 2004, 3:43 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:29:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, AJC <[email protected]> arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :
... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
I have had my 10 fingerprints taken when I got my first identity card at 18. That card had
a big print (including sides) of my right thumb right under my picture. I didn't feel I
was being treated as a criminal at all. I wasn't intending to get in trouble anyway, so I
was glad that if an identity mistake happened, the police already had my fingerprints and
could prove my innocence.
electrons, so they looked like this :
... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
I have had my 10 fingerprints taken when I got my first identity card at 18. That card had
a big print (including sides) of my right thumb right under my picture. I didn't feel I
was being treated as a criminal at all. I wasn't intending to get in trouble anyway, so I
was glad that if an identity mistake happened, the police already had my fingerprints and
could prove my innocence.
Apr 3rd 2004, 3:50 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
In article <[email protected]>, Wolfgang Schwanke
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Brian" <Witch*[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints?
>
> How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two fingerprints to
> _compare_.
What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can be
valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they used
discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.
jay
Sat Apr 03, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> One specimen (the person entering the country), one certified by
> an authority that it belongs to that individual. If they match -> OK, if
> they don't match -> fake! But if they only have the one, the authorities
> can't tell anything from it. "Hello, here's my fake passports, hello,
> here's my thumb". What's the point?
>
> > Passports,
> > DLs, and every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for
> > terrorists.
>
> How about procedures which can identify counterfeit passports? Methods
> exist, it would make sense, and there wouldn't be protests against putting
> them in place, as it wouldn't involve storing information about innocent
> individuals in government databases.
>
> Regards
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Brian" <Witch*[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints?
>
> How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two fingerprints to
> _compare_.
What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can be
valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they used
discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.
jay
Sat Apr 03, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> One specimen (the person entering the country), one certified by
> an authority that it belongs to that individual. If they match -> OK, if
> they don't match -> fake! But if they only have the one, the authorities
> can't tell anything from it. "Hello, here's my fake passports, hello,
> here's my thumb". What's the point?
>
> > Passports,
> > DLs, and every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for
> > terrorists.
>
> How about procedures which can identify counterfeit passports? Methods
> exist, it would make sense, and there wouldn't be protests against putting
> them in place, as it wouldn't involve storing information about innocent
> individuals in government databases.
>
> Regards
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:11 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:04:43 -0500, "Brian"
<Witch*[email protected]> wrote:
>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
>> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
>> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
>So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
>every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.
You could always wait for the biometric passports to arrive. The
reason the fingerprinting is being extended is that thebiometric
passports mandated by the US congress are running a little late (for
example the UK expects to have them available frommid-2005).
Oh, and just curious, but what's stopping the terrorists using
Canadian or US passports?
I'm just glad I get an exemption from the process thanks to a nice
shiny government visa, because otherwise I would *ot* come to the US
again as I object to being fingerprinted without even being accused of
a crime...or indeed of a crime even haivng been committed I could be
accused of.
---
Peter Kemp
Life is short - drink faster
<Witch*[email protected]> wrote:
>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
>> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
>> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
>So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
>every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.
You could always wait for the biometric passports to arrive. The
reason the fingerprinting is being extended is that thebiometric
passports mandated by the US congress are running a little late (for
example the UK expects to have them available frommid-2005).
Oh, and just curious, but what's stopping the terrorists using
Canadian or US passports?
I'm just glad I get an exemption from the process thanks to a nice
shiny government visa, because otherwise I would *ot* come to the US
again as I object to being fingerprinted without even being accused of
a crime...or indeed of a crime even haivng been committed I could be
accused of.
---
Peter Kemp
Life is short - drink faster
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:12 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
"Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Please note that fingerprinting is not nearly as common in, for example,
the
> UK, as in the USA.
> Here, you have to be suspected of a crime to be foingerprinted, and if you
> are innocent, those prints are destroyed.
I'm afraid the writing is on the wall for the UK
Already the police can take and retain DNA samples if they arrest you; these
samples are retained even if you're not subsequently charged with a crime.
Fingerprinting will probably come in with ID cards. I'd be very surprised if
the cards are not made compulsory as the police are bleating for this.
Brgds,
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> Please note that fingerprinting is not nearly as common in, for example,
the
> UK, as in the USA.
> Here, you have to be suspected of a crime to be foingerprinted, and if you
> are innocent, those prints are destroyed.
I'm afraid the writing is on the wall for the UK
Already the police can take and retain DNA samples if they arrest you; these
samples are retained even if you're not subsequently charged with a crime.
Fingerprinting will probably come in with ID cards. I'd be very surprised if
the cards are not made compulsory as the police are bleating for this.
Brgds,
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Apr 3rd 2004, 4:20 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:43:30 GMT, Cyrus Afzali <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:08:54 GMT, "Pete"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ...and even with that, it's still going to be faster than most customs
>>> checks in 99% of the countries in the world.
>>When I arrive at JFK, I often wait 10-30 minutes in line, and I am a
>>USA citizen. The other lines are worse, and this is without the finger-
>>printing and photographing. I contrast that to countries like Finland,
>>Sweden, Austria, and Switzerland, where I breeze by passport control
>>hardly slowing down. I am sure this is the same for Denmark, Norway,
>>Iceland, and many other European countries. Your 99% must exclude
>>Europe, right?
>If the country in question is part of the US-VISIT program, or
>whatever it's called, the queues are often much shorter and the
>screening is done before departure from the country you visited. I
>just returned from Ireland a few weeks ago and all screening was done
>in Shannon. The only thing done here was the agricultural
>questionnaire.
Ireland is one of the very few exceptions in having pre-clearance, has
been for years. That doesn't help other Europeans, Australians, New
Zealanders, etc.
--==++AJC++==--
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:08:54 GMT, "Pete"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ...and even with that, it's still going to be faster than most customs
>>> checks in 99% of the countries in the world.
>>When I arrive at JFK, I often wait 10-30 minutes in line, and I am a
>>USA citizen. The other lines are worse, and this is without the finger-
>>printing and photographing. I contrast that to countries like Finland,
>>Sweden, Austria, and Switzerland, where I breeze by passport control
>>hardly slowing down. I am sure this is the same for Denmark, Norway,
>>Iceland, and many other European countries. Your 99% must exclude
>>Europe, right?
>If the country in question is part of the US-VISIT program, or
>whatever it's called, the queues are often much shorter and the
>screening is done before departure from the country you visited. I
>just returned from Ireland a few weeks ago and all screening was done
>in Shannon. The only thing done here was the agricultural
>questionnaire.
Ireland is one of the very few exceptions in having pre-clearance, has
been for years. That doesn't help other Europeans, Australians, New
Zealanders, etc.
--==++AJC++==--
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:23 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:43:34 +0200, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:29:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, AJC <[email protected]> arranged some
>electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> ... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> ... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
>I have had my 10 fingerprints taken when I got my first identity card at 18. That card had
>a big print (including sides) of my right thumb right under my picture. I didn't feel I
>was being treated as a criminal at all. I wasn't intending to get in trouble anyway, so I
>was glad that if an identity mistake happened, the police already had my fingerprints and
>could prove my innocence.
One shouldn't have to prove one's innocence, that should be the
accepted position until proved otherwise.
--==++AJC++==--
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:29:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, AJC <[email protected]> arranged some
>electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> ... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> ... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
>I have had my 10 fingerprints taken when I got my first identity card at 18. That card had
>a big print (including sides) of my right thumb right under my picture. I didn't feel I
>was being treated as a criminal at all. I wasn't intending to get in trouble anyway, so I
>was glad that if an identity mistake happened, the police already had my fingerprints and
>could prove my innocence.
One shouldn't have to prove one's innocence, that should be the
accepted position until proved otherwise.
--==++AJC++==--
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:30 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
In rec.travel.usa-canada AJC <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
So you must be familiar with the process.
Seriously, driver's licenses are used as ID in the US.
Try to think. Figure it out. Oh wait. Nex
> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
So you must be familiar with the process.
Seriously, driver's licenses are used as ID in the US.
Try to think. Figure it out. Oh wait. Nex
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:34 am
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Chad Irby schrieb:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "nobody760" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So the message is visiting the USA is more trouble than its worth so I'll go
> > some place else.
>
> Yeah, that two minute fingerprinting and photo is *sooo* hard after a
> six-hour plane flight...
>
> ...and even with that, it's still going to be faster than most customs
> checks in 99% of the countries in the world.
Obviously you have never stood in line at SFO behind 4 other jumbojets
of passengers and 2 officers on duty.
T.
>
> --
> cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "nobody760" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So the message is visiting the USA is more trouble than its worth so I'll go
> > some place else.
>
> Yeah, that two minute fingerprinting and photo is *sooo* hard after a
> six-hour plane flight...
>
> ...and even with that, it's still going to be faster than most customs
> checks in 99% of the countries in the world.
Obviously you have never stood in line at SFO behind 4 other jumbojets
of passengers and 2 officers on duty.
T.
>
> --
> cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:36 am
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Oelewapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... :
>Millions of visitors from some of the United States' closest allies soon
>will have to be fingerprinted and photographed before entering the country,
>U.S. officials said yesterday. Officials said the requirements of the U.S.
>VISIT program will be expanded this fall to cover about 13 million travelers
>each year from 27 countries, including Australia, Britain and Japan, whose
>citizens are allowed to travel within the United States for as many as 90
>days without a visa. The program -- an effort to track down criminals,
>suspected terrorists and travelers who overstay visas -- began Jan. 5 and
>now applies mainly to about 19 million visitors each year from Central and
>South America, Africa and Asia.
>The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and
>travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed
>when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said
>Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the
>Department of Homeland Security. ...
>Here is a list of the 27 countries in the Visa Waiver Program whose citizens
>will have to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United
>States under a new program announced today.
>Andorra
>Austria
>AUSTRALIA
>Belgium
>Brunei
>Denmark
>Finland
>France
>Germany
>Iceland
>Ireland
>Italy
>Japan
>Liechtenstein
>Luxembourg
>Monaco
>Netherlands
>New Zealand
>Norway
>PORTUGAL
>San Marino
>Singapore
>Slovenia
>SPAIN
>Sweden
>Switzerland
>UNITED KINGDOM
>U.S. Will Fingerprint 13 Million More in Fall - Visitors From Close Allies
>To Be Photographed, Too - By Christopher Lee and Sara Kehaulani Goo -
>Washington Post Staff Writers - Saturday, April 3, 2004; Page A01
>-----
>>> Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!! <<
Thank you Jesus! It's about time to put a stop to the liberalism, gay
corruption of our minors, an immorality coming in at our borders.
It's the filthy europeans who have been bringing in their debauchery
and corruption into the US to corrupt the country and undermine the
government and make it weak and vulnerable to attack. We already saw
that on 9/11, it's what they wanted
It was time the US took steps to defend itself! Bravo! God Bless you
Mr. Bush!
>Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... :
>Millions of visitors from some of the United States' closest allies soon
>will have to be fingerprinted and photographed before entering the country,
>U.S. officials said yesterday. Officials said the requirements of the U.S.
>VISIT program will be expanded this fall to cover about 13 million travelers
>each year from 27 countries, including Australia, Britain and Japan, whose
>citizens are allowed to travel within the United States for as many as 90
>days without a visa. The program -- an effort to track down criminals,
>suspected terrorists and travelers who overstay visas -- began Jan. 5 and
>now applies mainly to about 19 million visitors each year from Central and
>South America, Africa and Asia.
>The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and
>travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed
>when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said
>Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the
>Department of Homeland Security. ...
>Here is a list of the 27 countries in the Visa Waiver Program whose citizens
>will have to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United
>States under a new program announced today.
>Andorra
>Austria
>AUSTRALIA
>Belgium
>Brunei
>Denmark
>Finland
>France
>Germany
>Iceland
>Ireland
>Italy
>Japan
>Liechtenstein
>Luxembourg
>Monaco
>Netherlands
>New Zealand
>Norway
>PORTUGAL
>San Marino
>Singapore
>Slovenia
>SPAIN
>Sweden
>Switzerland
>UNITED KINGDOM
>U.S. Will Fingerprint 13 Million More in Fall - Visitors From Close Allies
>To Be Photographed, Too - By Christopher Lee and Sara Kehaulani Goo -
>Washington Post Staff Writers - Saturday, April 3, 2004; Page A01
>-----
>>> Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!! <<
Thank you Jesus! It's about time to put a stop to the liberalism, gay
corruption of our minors, an immorality coming in at our borders.
It's the filthy europeans who have been bringing in their debauchery
and corruption into the US to corrupt the country and undermine the
government and make it weak and vulnerable to attack. We already saw
that on 9/11, it's what they wanted
It was time the US took steps to defend itself! Bravo! God Bless you
Mr. Bush!
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:43 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote in news:030420040850279032%[email protected]:
>> How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two
>> fingerprints to _compare_.
>
> What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can
> be valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they
> used discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.
So you're saying the point is to build a huge database of suspects?
No thanks.
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>> How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two
>> fingerprints to _compare_.
>
> What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can
> be valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they
> used discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.
So you're saying the point is to build a huge database of suspects?
No thanks.
Regards
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Apr 3rd 2004, 4:48 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
In article <[email protected]>,
"Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's not true. US immigration queues are amongst the longest in the world.
From the number of people, or from the speed of the process?
And the funny thing is, the people who are complaining about the US
wanting photos and fingerprints to come in are often from countries that
already insist on that for their own citizens (like Brazil).
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"Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's not true. US immigration queues are amongst the longest in the world.
From the number of people, or from the speed of the process?
And the funny thing is, the people who are complaining about the US
wanting photos and fingerprints to come in are often from countries that
already insist on that for their own citizens (like Brazil).
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Apr 3rd 2004, 4:51 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Please note that we all have the rest of the world to visit. Why visit a
> country which treats us as criminals?
On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.
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"Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Please note that we all have the rest of the world to visit. Why visit a
> country which treats us as criminals?
On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.
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Apr 3rd 2004, 4:51 am
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YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Chad Irby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Please note that we all have the rest of the world to visit. Why visit
a
> > country which treats us as criminals?
> On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
> nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.
> --
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> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
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"Chad Irby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Please note that we all have the rest of the world to visit. Why visit
a
> > country which treats us as criminals?
> On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
> nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.
> --
> cirby at cfl.rr.com
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.
Apr 3rd 2004, 4:52 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chad Irby <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "nobody760" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> So the message is visiting the USA is more trouble than its worth so
> >> I'll go some place else.
> >
> > Yeah, that two minute fingerprinting and photo is *sooo* hard after a
> > six-hour plane flight...
>
> It's not the _time_ it takes which offends people.
If people were worried about bureaucratic nosiness, they wouldn't go to
most of Europe in the first place.
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Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chad Irby <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "nobody760" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> So the message is visiting the USA is more trouble than its worth so
> >> I'll go some place else.
> >
> > Yeah, that two minute fingerprinting and photo is *sooo* hard after a
> > six-hour plane flight...
>
> It's not the _time_ it takes which offends people.
If people were worried about bureaucratic nosiness, they wouldn't go to
most of Europe in the first place.
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Apr 3rd 2004, 4:53 am
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Re: Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
In article <[email protected]>,
AJC <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.
--
cirby at cfl.rr.com
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AJC <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
> former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
> any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.
Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.
--
cirby at cfl.rr.com
Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.
