Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
Aug 30th 2003, 9:40 am
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
Coastline Cafe wrote:
>
> "Wolfgang Schwanke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news
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> > "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote in news:bipmv0$c0qtq$1@ID-
> > 148874.news.uni-berlin.de:
> >
> > > An arrest involving drunken-ness (for example) would be known to the US
> > > Immigration Officer.
> >
> > How would they get at the data from a foreign country?
>
> This is something I'm not clear about at all - I'm not sure, unless I
> actually declare it on a Visa application to the USA that they would ever
> have a clue about it - and i'd simply enter on the visa waiver programme.
<snip>
> The Police and court in the UK simply have my name, my slightly mis-spelled
> address (and first half of postcode), age, occupation, and place of birth
> (unfortunately a very uncommon place of birth, not like London or
> somewhere). The police also have my DNA from a mouth swab and fingerprints.
> Do they really share all this information with interpol/other worldwide
> police authorities??
Highly doubtful, IMO - I'm sure it would require a more significant
"crime" - murder or kidnapping or grand larceny - before they'd consider
it worth bothering about. (If they did, and every other country did
likelwise, the internet would be so overloaded with unimportant and
irrelevant data that traffic would come to a dead halt, and the really
important information would never reach its destination, either.)
> - I'm honestly not sure how I could possibly be tied to being the same
> person if I tried entering the USA via the visa waiver programme. UNLESS-
> they for some reason had reason to suspect me, and took fingerprints, and if
> the fingerprints are shared (they were taken electronically scanned) between
> the UK and USA, then I be up the creek without a paddle. And that's a risk I
> simply do not want to take if they do indeed share that information - so
> better safe than sorry, I shall have to make a visa application before
> visiting the USA.
I think there's such a thing as being TOO "law-abiding" - consider the
intent, not the letter of the regulations. You can bet that REAL
criminals would not agonize so about lying to the "authorities" about
far more significant matters than a simple arrest for drunkenness.
(Anyway, it wouldn't be "lying" - just not volunteering information that
really has no bearing upon the actual purpose of the regulation.)
>
> "Wolfgang Schwanke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news
[email protected]...> > "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote in news:bipmv0$c0qtq$1@ID-
> > 148874.news.uni-berlin.de:
> >
> > > An arrest involving drunken-ness (for example) would be known to the US
> > > Immigration Officer.
> >
> > How would they get at the data from a foreign country?
>
> This is something I'm not clear about at all - I'm not sure, unless I
> actually declare it on a Visa application to the USA that they would ever
> have a clue about it - and i'd simply enter on the visa waiver programme.
<snip>
> The Police and court in the UK simply have my name, my slightly mis-spelled
> address (and first half of postcode), age, occupation, and place of birth
> (unfortunately a very uncommon place of birth, not like London or
> somewhere). The police also have my DNA from a mouth swab and fingerprints.
> Do they really share all this information with interpol/other worldwide
> police authorities??
Highly doubtful, IMO - I'm sure it would require a more significant
"crime" - murder or kidnapping or grand larceny - before they'd consider
it worth bothering about. (If they did, and every other country did
likelwise, the internet would be so overloaded with unimportant and
irrelevant data that traffic would come to a dead halt, and the really
important information would never reach its destination, either.)
> - I'm honestly not sure how I could possibly be tied to being the same
> person if I tried entering the USA via the visa waiver programme. UNLESS-
> they for some reason had reason to suspect me, and took fingerprints, and if
> the fingerprints are shared (they were taken electronically scanned) between
> the UK and USA, then I be up the creek without a paddle. And that's a risk I
> simply do not want to take if they do indeed share that information - so
> better safe than sorry, I shall have to make a visa application before
> visiting the USA.
I think there's such a thing as being TOO "law-abiding" - consider the
intent, not the letter of the regulations. You can bet that REAL
criminals would not agonize so about lying to the "authorities" about
far more significant matters than a simple arrest for drunkenness.
(Anyway, it wouldn't be "lying" - just not volunteering information that
really has no bearing upon the actual purpose of the regulation.)
Aug 30th 2003, 9:50 am
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
Sjoerd wrote:
>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > They obviously do dig into peoples backgrounds, as a Top Dutch footballer
> > was denied entry not long ago. I'm sure someone can enlighten usto his
> > "record".. Can't remember what he'd actually done but he didn't believe it
> > warranted a mention.
>
> Patrick Kluivert killed a man while driving a car when he was drunk.
That's a bit more serious than vomiting into the street when drunk,
isn't it? (And also carries a criminal conviction - probably
"manslaughter" in the U.S.) Considering all this furor, perhaps I'm not
quite clear what "discharged" means in Britsh court. I've been assuming
it's the same as "case dismissed" in America - which would mean the
original arrest was considered non-existent (in which case, I think any
"evidence" like DNA samples and fingerprints must be discarded, not
archived).
>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > They obviously do dig into peoples backgrounds, as a Top Dutch footballer
> > was denied entry not long ago. I'm sure someone can enlighten usto his
> > "record".. Can't remember what he'd actually done but he didn't believe it
> > warranted a mention.
>
> Patrick Kluivert killed a man while driving a car when he was drunk.
That's a bit more serious than vomiting into the street when drunk,
isn't it? (And also carries a criminal conviction - probably
"manslaughter" in the U.S.) Considering all this furor, perhaps I'm not
quite clear what "discharged" means in Britsh court. I've been assuming
it's the same as "case dismissed" in America - which would mean the
original arrest was considered non-existent (in which case, I think any
"evidence" like DNA samples and fingerprints must be discarded, not
archived).
Aug 30th 2003, 9:55 am
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
| I sincerely hope you're right! What are the chances of an
| elderly American on a "fixed income" being allowed to immigrate
| to Vienna, even if she doesn't speak the language? (For some
| time I've been half-seriously talking about doing so - maybe
| I should actually consider it, since I CERTAINLY don't like
| what's happening in my own country, these days.)
Probably not many, even if the Immigration Officer reads this newsgroup and
likes you as much as we do.
I have heard (although you would obviously be _very_ unwise to rely on this
without getting expert legal advice) that if you commit an offence in the
USA (this would vary from state to state) which would result in a mandatory
death sentence if you remained in or returned to the USA, you can claim
asylum in the EU.
Owain
| I sincerely hope you're right! What are the chances of an
| elderly American on a "fixed income" being allowed to immigrate
| to Vienna, even if she doesn't speak the language? (For some
| time I've been half-seriously talking about doing so - maybe
| I should actually consider it, since I CERTAINLY don't like
| what's happening in my own country, these days.)
Probably not many, even if the Immigration Officer reads this newsgroup and
likes you as much as we do.
I have heard (although you would obviously be _very_ unwise to rely on this
without getting expert legal advice) that if you commit an offence in the
USA (this would vary from state to state) which would result in a mandatory
death sentence if you remained in or returned to the USA, you can claim
asylum in the EU.
Owain
Aug 30th 2003, 11:06 am
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> The Police and court in the UK simply have my name, my slightly
>> mis-spelled address (and first half of postcode), age, occupation,
>> and place of birth (unfortunately a very uncommon place of birth, not
>> like London or somewhere). The police also have my DNA from a mouth
>> swab and fingerprints. Do they really share all this information with
>> interpol/other worldwide police authorities??
>
> Highly doubtful, IMO - I'm sure it would require a more significant
> "crime" - murder or kidnapping or grand larceny - before they'd
> consider it worth bothering about.
I doubt that too.
> (If they did, and every other
> country did likelwise, the internet would be so overloaded with
> unimportant and irrelevant data that traffic would come to a dead
> halt, and the really important information would never reach its
> destination, either.)
Uh. I sure hope they wouldn't use a public network like the internet to
transfer personal information. But I only fear it for privacy reasons. The
bandwidth wouldn't be a problem at all.
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news:[email protected]:
>> The Police and court in the UK simply have my name, my slightly
>> mis-spelled address (and first half of postcode), age, occupation,
>> and place of birth (unfortunately a very uncommon place of birth, not
>> like London or somewhere). The police also have my DNA from a mouth
>> swab and fingerprints. Do they really share all this information with
>> interpol/other worldwide police authorities??
>
> Highly doubtful, IMO - I'm sure it would require a more significant
> "crime" - murder or kidnapping or grand larceny - before they'd
> consider it worth bothering about.
I doubt that too.
> (If they did, and every other
> country did likelwise, the internet would be so overloaded with
> unimportant and irrelevant data that traffic would come to a dead
> halt, and the really important information would never reach its
> destination, either.)
Uh. I sure hope they wouldn't use a public network like the internet to
transfer personal information. But I only fear it for privacy reasons. The
bandwidth wouldn't be a problem at all.
Regards
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Aug 30th 2003, 3:23 pm
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
In article <[email protected]>,
Marie Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes
> >Is the OP actually saying that our U.S. government concerns itself with
> >whether travelers may have been arrested for such things as
> >drunkenness?
> I just hope our government (UK) insists on the same conditions for
> Americans.
> >(That would most
> >likely preclude a number of Americans from traveling abroad, too -
> >including our president's daughters, if various newspaper stories are to
> >be believed!)
Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
right about all here drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
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Marie Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes
> >Is the OP actually saying that our U.S. government concerns itself with
> >whether travelers may have been arrested for such things as
> >drunkenness?
> I just hope our government (UK) insists on the same conditions for
> Americans.
> >(That would most
> >likely preclude a number of Americans from traveling abroad, too -
> >including our president's daughters, if various newspaper stories are to
> >be believed!)
Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
right about all here drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
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Aug 30th 2003, 4:00 pm
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> I still say "Why TELL them?" However sophisticated computers have
> become, how could they POSSIBLY have that kind of data instantly
> available for every single visitor from every single country in the
> world? (And, more to the point, why should they CARE?) One of the
> first things recruits to any army in the world learn is "never
> volunteer" - IMO that goes for "volunteering" irrelevant information,
> too.
Sounds like good advice in all aspects of life!
---
DFM
> become, how could they POSSIBLY have that kind of data instantly
> available for every single visitor from every single country in the
> world? (And, more to the point, why should they CARE?) One of the
> first things recruits to any army in the world learn is "never
> volunteer" - IMO that goes for "volunteering" irrelevant information,
> too.
Sounds like good advice in all aspects of life!
---
DFM
Aug 31st 2003, 2:01 am
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"Owain" <[email protected]> vented spleen or mostly mumbled...
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
>| I sincerely hope you're right! What are the chances of an
>| elderly American on a "fixed income" being allowed to immigrate
>| to Vienna, even if she doesn't speak the language? (For some
>| time I've been half-seriously talking about doing so - maybe
>| I should actually consider it, since I CERTAINLY don't like
>| what's happening in my own country, these days.)
>
> Probably not many, even if the Immigration Officer reads this
> newsgroup and likes you as much as we do.
>
> I have heard (although you would obviously be _very_ unwise to rely on
> this without getting expert legal advice) that if you commit an
> offence in the USA (this would vary from state to state) which would
> result in a mandatory death sentence if you remained in or returned to
> the USA, you can claim asylum in the EU.
>
In no US state code or in federal statute is there such thing asa
"mandatory" death sentence, pretty sound evidence that your source is 'full
of shit" as the expression goes.
A number of countries, including Canada and Mexico (and most of the EU I
would expect) claim the right to refuse extradition for any crim for which
the death penalty is a potential/possible sentence, but over time the
Canadian government has come up with some devious measures and gimmicks to
avoid the PR/potential economic damage and inevitable retaliation from
Border States for failing to extradite. Mexico, except in the cases of its
own citizens where "selective justice" seems the norm, often simply closes
its eyes while bounty hunters or other intersted parties carry out
"paperless fugitive extractions".
Given that in US state courts, even those in which "due process" is pretty
swift, any execution is bound to be delayed from seven (for an inmate who
pursues no appeal him/herself) to 18+ years, most prosecutors are quite
willing to waive the death penalty, applicable only under pretty complex
circumstances. The problem comes in those states which traditionally have
not had actual "life" sentences with no possibility of parole.
For decades, Brazil was a haven for foreign fugitives, but as now, poor
felons need not apply (a stipulation which has generally applied to those
havens of the fleeing as Switzerland and France).
TMO
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
>| I sincerely hope you're right! What are the chances of an
>| elderly American on a "fixed income" being allowed to immigrate
>| to Vienna, even if she doesn't speak the language? (For some
>| time I've been half-seriously talking about doing so - maybe
>| I should actually consider it, since I CERTAINLY don't like
>| what's happening in my own country, these days.)
>
> Probably not many, even if the Immigration Officer reads this
> newsgroup and likes you as much as we do.
>
> I have heard (although you would obviously be _very_ unwise to rely on
> this without getting expert legal advice) that if you commit an
> offence in the USA (this would vary from state to state) which would
> result in a mandatory death sentence if you remained in or returned to
> the USA, you can claim asylum in the EU.
>
In no US state code or in federal statute is there such thing asa
"mandatory" death sentence, pretty sound evidence that your source is 'full
of shit" as the expression goes.
A number of countries, including Canada and Mexico (and most of the EU I
would expect) claim the right to refuse extradition for any crim for which
the death penalty is a potential/possible sentence, but over time the
Canadian government has come up with some devious measures and gimmicks to
avoid the PR/potential economic damage and inevitable retaliation from
Border States for failing to extradite. Mexico, except in the cases of its
own citizens where "selective justice" seems the norm, often simply closes
its eyes while bounty hunters or other intersted parties carry out
"paperless fugitive extractions".
Given that in US state courts, even those in which "due process" is pretty
swift, any execution is bound to be delayed from seven (for an inmate who
pursues no appeal him/herself) to 18+ years, most prosecutors are quite
willing to waive the death penalty, applicable only under pretty complex
circumstances. The problem comes in those states which traditionally have
not had actual "life" sentences with no possibility of parole.
For decades, Brazil was a haven for foreign fugitives, but as now, poor
felons need not apply (a stipulation which has generally applied to those
havens of the fleeing as Switzerland and France).
TMO
Aug 31st 2003, 4:23 am
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
"Blatt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Coastline Cafe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> ...
> > I am a UK citizen. I have managed to pick myself up a conditional
discharge
> > for being Drunk & Disorderly in a UK court. My own stupid fault, I
simply
> > drank too much and threw up in the street. Unfortunately, in sight of a
> > police officer. As there was no malice or aggressive disorder, I
received no
> > fine, merely the conditional discharge, the minimum the magistrate could
> > hand down.
> > Any help/pointers appreciated. An hour trawling google web and google
groups
> > has produced nothing that's actually helped me with regard to the
situation
> > over visiting Spain. And I don't particularly want to have to traipse to
the
> > Spanish Embassay, nor purely rely on the advice of Thomas Cook who say
I'll
> > have no problems entering or leaving Spain so long as I don't get in any
> > trouble over there!
> The answser is at http://www.curia.eu.int/en/
> A series of cases, notably including Case 157/79, R v. Pieck, [1979]
> ECR 2171, hold that criminal conviction that does not represent a
> serious threat to public security cannot be a bar to the right of
> every EU citizen to establishment, employment, etc. in another member
> state.
The original poster is aware that another EU country cannot bar entry. His
question was whether his situation required a visa for the purpose.
"But Spain - I don't know if having a conditional discharge precludes me
from
visiting, without filling in a visa application, even though we are both in
the EU."
RTE
news:[email protected]...
> "Coastline Cafe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> ...
> > I am a UK citizen. I have managed to pick myself up a conditional
discharge
> > for being Drunk & Disorderly in a UK court. My own stupid fault, I
simply
> > drank too much and threw up in the street. Unfortunately, in sight of a
> > police officer. As there was no malice or aggressive disorder, I
received no
> > fine, merely the conditional discharge, the minimum the magistrate could
> > hand down.
> > Any help/pointers appreciated. An hour trawling google web and google
groups
> > has produced nothing that's actually helped me with regard to the
situation
> > over visiting Spain. And I don't particularly want to have to traipse to
the
> > Spanish Embassay, nor purely rely on the advice of Thomas Cook who say
I'll
> > have no problems entering or leaving Spain so long as I don't get in any
> > trouble over there!
> The answser is at http://www.curia.eu.int/en/
> A series of cases, notably including Case 157/79, R v. Pieck, [1979]
> ECR 2171, hold that criminal conviction that does not represent a
> serious threat to public security cannot be a bar to the right of
> every EU citizen to establishment, employment, etc. in another member
> state.
The original poster is aware that another EU country cannot bar entry. His
question was whether his situation required a visa for the purpose.
"But Spain - I don't know if having a conditional discharge precludes me
from
visiting, without filling in a visa application, even though we are both in
the EU."
RTE
Aug 31st 2003, 7:46 am
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Nancy Kay wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Marie Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes
> > >Is the OP actually saying that our U.S. government concerns itself with
> > >whether travelers may have been arrested for such things as
> > >drunkenness?
> > I just hope our government (UK) insists on the same conditions for
> > Americans.
> > >(That would most
> > >likely preclude a number of Americans from traveling abroad, too -
> > >including our president's daughters, if various newspaper stories are to
> > >be believed!)
>
> Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
> right about all here drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be a Rhodes
scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids? (Of course having him
for a father would most likely drive any young person to drink - not
that the position of "First Child" in the White House is an enviable
one, whatever the character and/or political affiliations of one's
parent.)
>
> --
> Nancy Kay
> "Patience is a Virtue"
> remove no in e-mail address
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Marie Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes
> > >Is the OP actually saying that our U.S. government concerns itself with
> > >whether travelers may have been arrested for such things as
> > >drunkenness?
> > I just hope our government (UK) insists on the same conditions for
> > Americans.
> > >(That would most
> > >likely preclude a number of Americans from traveling abroad, too -
> > >including our president's daughters, if various newspaper stories are to
> > >be believed!)
>
> Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
> right about all here drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be a Rhodes
scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids? (Of course having him
for a father would most likely drive any young person to drink - not
that the position of "First Child" in the White House is an enviable
one, whatever the character and/or political affiliations of one's
parent.)
>
> --
> Nancy Kay
> "Patience is a Virtue"
> remove no in e-mail address
Aug 31st 2003, 8:57 am
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
| So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be
| a Rhodes scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids?
| (Of course having him for a father would most likely drive
| any young person to drink - not that the position of "First
| Child" in the White House is an enviable one, whatever the
| character and/or political affiliations of one's parent.)
At one time Prince Charles's fondness for cherry brandy got him into grief;
Euan Blair has got himself into alcohol-related grief, I think ...
Owain
| So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be
| a Rhodes scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids?
| (Of course having him for a father would most likely drive
| any young person to drink - not that the position of "First
| Child" in the White House is an enviable one, whatever the
| character and/or political affiliations of one's parent.)
At one time Prince Charles's fondness for cherry brandy got him into grief;
Euan Blair has got himself into alcohol-related grief, I think ...
Owain
Aug 31st 2003, 4:14 pm
#56
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In article <[email protected]>,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
> > right about all her drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
>
> So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be a Rhodes
> scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids?
> >
> > --
Was it her intelligence or her parents influence that helped her? Her
father never finished his academic work when he was a Rhodes scholar. I
don't know about the Bush young ladies. In case you do not know it, some
things are inherited from the mother. At least he is not another Slick
Willie. I'm beginning to wonder from some of your post if you inherited
any intelligence.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ans it might just include Chelsea Clinton if the British papers are
> > right about all her drinking while a Rhodes scholar there.
>
> So? If that's true, at least she has the INTELLIGENCE to be a Rhodes
> scholar - can the same be said for Dubya's kids?
> >
> > --
Was it her intelligence or her parents influence that helped her? Her
father never finished his academic work when he was a Rhodes scholar. I
don't know about the Bush young ladies. In case you do not know it, some
things are inherited from the mother. At least he is not another Slick
Willie. I'm beginning to wonder from some of your post if you inherited
any intelligence.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
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Aug 31st 2003, 7:18 pm
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"RTE" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The original poster is aware that another EU country cannot bar entry. His
> question was whether his situation required a visa for the purpose.
>
> "But Spain - I don't know if having a conditional discharge precludes me
> from
> visiting, without filling in a visa application, even though we are both in
> the EU."
There is no such thing as a visa among EU-EEA-Switzerland countries.
There is an EU residence permit (voluntary in some countries, such as
Britain) but this is obtained after arrival. And it is neither
required nor available for short (less than 3-month) visits. There is
a visa (no charge) for non-EEA spouses and family members of EEA
nationals.
Hope that answers the question. It seemed too obvious to mention
before.
> The original poster is aware that another EU country cannot bar entry. His
> question was whether his situation required a visa for the purpose.
>
> "But Spain - I don't know if having a conditional discharge precludes me
> from
> visiting, without filling in a visa application, even though we are both in
> the EU."
There is no such thing as a visa among EU-EEA-Switzerland countries.
There is an EU residence permit (voluntary in some countries, such as
Britain) but this is obtained after arrival. And it is neither
required nor available for short (less than 3-month) visits. There is
a visa (no charge) for non-EEA spouses and family members of EEA
nationals.
Hope that answers the question. It seemed too obvious to mention
before.
Aug 31st 2003, 7:32 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> And despite warning signals like that, we have American posters here who
> mock those of us who express our alarm because we perceive our country
> following in the footsteps of 1930's Germany!
It's not just some US posters who would mock that view. I think you're
on pretty thin ground on this, the current US political situation (which
I'm no fan of) notwithstanding.
David
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> And despite warning signals like that, we have American posters here who
> mock those of us who express our alarm because we perceive our country
> following in the footsteps of 1930's Germany!
It's not just some US posters who would mock that view. I think you're
on pretty thin ground on this, the current US political situation (which
I'm no fan of) notwithstanding.
David
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Aug 31st 2003, 8:01 pm
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
Nancy Kay <[email protected]> wrote:
> Was it her intelligence or her parents influence that helped her? Her
> father never finished his academic work when he was a Rhodes scholar. I
> don't know about the Bush young ladies. In case you do not know it, some
> things are inherited from the mother. At least he is not another Slick
> Willie. I'm beginning to wonder from some of your post if you inherited
> any intelligence.
I think debating the merits of the children of one president over
another, in this context, don't make either of you look very
intelligent. Discussing the 41st President's children is another matter.
David
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> Was it her intelligence or her parents influence that helped her? Her
> father never finished his academic work when he was a Rhodes scholar. I
> don't know about the Bush young ladies. In case you do not know it, some
> things are inherited from the mother. At least he is not another Slick
> Willie. I'm beginning to wonder from some of your post if you inherited
> any intelligence.
I think debating the merits of the children of one president over
another, in this context, don't make either of you look very
intelligent. Discussing the 41st President's children is another matter.
David
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Aug 31st 2003, 11:20 pm
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Re: Advice: UK citizen wanting to visit Spain
"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Parking Violations are not criminal offences, at least within the UK. An
> arrest involving drunken-ness (for example) would be known to the US
> Immigration Officer. Why else do you think that the US requires visitors
> to have either a machine-readable Passport or a Visa from 1 October?
> JohnT
However merely possessing a machine readable passport
does not give the US immigration officer access to the UK
police national computer system.
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> Parking Violations are not criminal offences, at least within the UK. An
> arrest involving drunken-ness (for example) would be known to the US
> Immigration Officer. Why else do you think that the US requires visitors
> to have either a machine-readable Passport or a Visa from 1 October?
> JohnT
However merely possessing a machine readable passport
does not give the US immigration officer access to the UK
police national computer system.
Keith
