soum

Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Salzburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Cologne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?

Would like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..

cheers

NoNameAtAll

Holy cow, that's a ton of traveling for a 20-day trip. If you have 5 extra days
to kill I'd recommend just staying put in one place or you're going to totally
wear yourself out. Cities relatively close to Vienna include Prague, Budapest,
and Bratislava if you're interested in adding some Eastern European flavor to
your trip though.

    >Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    >zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    >gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    >starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    >before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips

Padraig Breathnach

soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    >zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    >gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    >starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    >before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >Would
    >like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    >to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..
You are joking, aren't you? One can't be sure with some of the
contributors from british_expats.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

Gordon Forbess

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:08:10 +0000, soum
<member2609@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    >zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    >gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    >starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    >before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >Would
    >like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    >to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..

Wow. That's enough to exhaust your energy just reading it.

Gordon

Jesper Lauridsen

On 2004-06-02, soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote:
    > Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    > zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    > gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....

The Vatican is in Rome, so those can be done on the same day, freeing
some time for more destination. Tromsø, Athen and Lisbon are supposed
to be worth checking out.

EvelynVogtGamble

soum wrote:

    > Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    > zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    > gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    > starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    > before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >
    > Would
    > like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    > to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated.

I'd suggest you spend those "few days" resting for the ordeal to come!
8-) How can you expect to really see anything at all, trying to cover
that much territory in only twenty days?

Watcher

soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    > zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    > gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    > starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    > before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >
    > Would
    > like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    > to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..
    >
    > cheers

You might consider Budapest. I had a great time there last year.
They are very welcoming to tourists, and there is much to see. Good
cuisine, museums, history, architecture, etc. From there, a
convenient train trip or boat ride to Vienna....

Deep Flawed Muslim

soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    > zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    > gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    > starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    > before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >
    > Would
    > like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    > to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..

Don't listen to the others, they are just jealous. Here is my
suggested itinerary:

Day 1:Vienna/Salzburg/Innsbruck (seeing train stations only)
Day 2: Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa (no more than 3 mins in each)
Day 3: Nice/Switzerland (writing postcards on the train between)
Day 4: Cologne/Heidelberg/Evian (You'll need amphetamines at this
point)
Day 5: Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague (top up the amphetamines in Ams)
Day 6: Paris and London (pick up postcards to authenticate the
experience)
Day 7: Copenhagen/Oslo/Stockholm/Helsinki/St Petersburg/Moscow
Day 8: Side trip to Africa (any country, they all smell bad)
Day 9: Side trip to Asia (make certain to pick up some dysentry to
take back with you)
Day 10: Go home early. Congrats, you've done earth.
---
DFM

Antioch 1999

Beware, with just 20 days, you're going to spend the entire time
unpacking/checking-into-hotels/packing/checking out of
hotels/traveling to the next location. The only time you are going to
have to see anything will be on the trips between locations.

Do the math:
8 hrs = sleeping
1.5 hrs = breakfast/lunch/dinner (1/2 hr for each, if only fast food)
0.5 hr = bathing & the necessary
0.5 hr = check in /out time
4 - 6 hr = travel time minimum not necessarily realiistic between some
of those locations
2 hr = tour bus around the city (includes waiting ro tour bus to
arrive)
totals 17 hrs (more or less)
17 hrs x 18 cities = 289 hrs
289 hrs + 24 hrs (2 half days lost arriving in europe & departing from
airports, including customs) = 313 hrs

313 hrs versus 480 hrs (20 days x 24) gives 167 hrs or 9 hrs 17
minutes to soak in the cities.

9 hrs isn't much time to enjoy the places.

Don't get trapped in any lines waiting to buy tickets or maybe just
use that time to catch your breath.

The only way that this trip makes any sense is if you are on one of
those tours modeled after the movie "If it's Tuesday, this must be
Belgium". And I'd, personally, still avoid it...

If I was going to rush around and never come back to Europe, ever ever
again, I'd still want a minimum of 3 - 4 days to even do more than
just sneeze in each city and send post cards home.

This trip reminds me of the question I was actually asked "Should we
see the Grand Canyon in the morning, Disneyland for lunch & go to San
Francisco for dinner or should we do it in a different order?" If you
know the distances involved, you'd see the silliness of this question
Disneyland to SF is an 8 hour drive.

I'll admit that things are a lot closer together in Europe... but
don't you want to see Europe before your holiday snapshots are
printed?

No matter what silly advice you may get, please enjoy your trip!

soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    >zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    >gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    >starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    >before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >Would
    >like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    >to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..
    >cheers

Carole Allen

Actually with 18 cities in 20 days (does that include the arrival and
departure day?), they will probably never even need a hotel...they'll
be living on the train and whatever food they can scrounge at station
stops. At least they can probably pick up some postcards and tacky
souvenirs at the stations to prove they were there.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:35:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >Beware, with just 20 days, you're going to spend the entire time
    >unpacking/checking-into-hotels/packing/checking out of
    >hotels/traveling to the next location. The only time you are going to
    >have to see anything will be on the trips between locations.
    >Do the math:
    >8 hrs = sleeping
    >1.5 hrs = breakfast/lunch/dinner (1/2 hr for each, if only fast food)
    >0.5 hr = bathing & the necessary
    >0.5 hr = check in /out time
    >4 - 6 hr = travel time minimum not necessarily realiistic between some
    >of those locations
    >2 hr = tour bus around the city (includes waiting ro tour bus to
    >arrive)
    >totals 17 hrs (more or less)
    >17 hrs x 18 cities = 289 hrs
    >289 hrs + 24 hrs (2 half days lost arriving in europe & departing from
    >airports, including customs) = 313 hrs
    >313 hrs versus 480 hrs (20 days x 24) gives 167 hrs or 9 hrs 17
    >minutes to soak in the cities.
    >9 hrs isn't much time to enjoy the places.
    >Don't get trapped in any lines waiting to buy tickets or maybe just
    >use that time to catch your breath.
    >The only way that this trip makes any sense is if you are on one of
    >those tours modeled after the movie "If it's Tuesday, this must be
    >Belgium". And I'd, personally, still avoid it...
    >If I was going to rush around and never come back to Europe, ever ever
    >again, I'd still want a minimum of 3 - 4 days to even do more than
    >just sneeze in each city and send post cards home.
    >This trip reminds me of the question I was actually asked "Should we
    >see the Grand Canyon in the morning, Disneyland for lunch & go to San
    >Francisco for dinner or should we do it in a different order?" If you
    >know the distances involved, you'd see the silliness of this question
    >Disneyland to SF is an 8 hour drive.
    >I'll admit that things are a lot closer together in Europe... but
    >don't you want to see Europe before your holiday snapshots are
    >printed?
    >No matter what silly advice you may get, please enjoy your trip!
    >soum <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >>Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    >>zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    >>gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    >>starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    >>before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >>Would
    >>like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    >>to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..
    >>cheers

Carole Allen

someone said:
    >This trip reminds me of the question I was actually asked "Should we
    >see the Grand Canyon in the morning, Disneyland for lunch & go to San
    >Francisco for dinner or should we do it in a different order?" If you
    >know the distances involved, you'd see the silliness of this question
    >Disneyland to SF is an 8 hour drive.

Some days Disneyland to LA can seem like an 8 hour drive, LOL

Owain

"soum" wrote
    | Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    | zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    | gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....

I've never seen a 52-seater tour bus driven through small historic European
towns by a Le Mans trained driver on amphetamines, but I'm sure you'll
remember the experience. The places might be an indistinguishable blur, but
you'll remember the experience.

Owain

Tim Challenger

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:08:10 +0000, soum wrote:

    > Will be going on a tour to Europe of around 20 days covering Vienna/Sal-
    > zburg/Innsbruck/Venice/Rome/Vatican/Florence/Pisa/Nice/Switzerland/Colo-
    > gne/Heidelberg/Evian/Brussels/Amsterdam/Hague/Paris/London....would be
    > starting the tour from Vienna...i was hoping i can get in a few days
    > before to go somewhere else....where else can i land any tips ?
    >
    > Would
    > like to maybe go to one of the Scandinavian cities and then get a flight
    > to Vienna to start tour.....any advice/tips well appreciated..
    >
    > cheers

You *are* aware that you're going to have just the evenings to see each
place, as you'll spend a good portion of each day travelling to the next
destination.

--
Tim C.

soum

pls have a look at my post
"Is this tour unthinkable ?"

cheers

Keith Willshaw

"soum" <member2609@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > pls have a look at my post
    > "Is this tour unthinkable ?"

Yes, 18 locations in 20 days is
stark staring mad.

1/3 of it would be a tight schedule

Keith




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