Gb

"JB" wrote in
news:[email protected]:
    > You'd notice 10 tonnes all right. It would start with the takeoff
    > performance being worse than expected. Not dramatically, but it could
    > become so if you were near the limits already, or if something went
    > wrong.

I vaguely remember a story (and it may well just be a story) of
a flight that had a much longer than expected take-off roll,
then funny trim issues for the duration, etc, etc. Turned out
to be the result of a large percentage of the passengers being
coin collectors en-route to a convention or something. Of course,
their large collections were way too valuable to risk checking-in
as regular baggage...

G

Gb

"Lennart Petersen" wrote in
news[email protected]:
    > Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The rest
    > have the choice of white and white.

"Well, I guess I'll have the chicken then, won't I!"

G

Jb

"GB" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Lennart Petersen" wrote in
    > news[email protected]:
    > > Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The rest
    > > have the choice of white and white.
    > "Well, I guess I'll have the chicken then, won't I!"
    > G

It's off...

JB

Me

Chanchao wrote in message news:...
[snip]
    > Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in counter.
    > Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs and
    > probably other stuff at * no charge *, as in not counted towards the total
    > allowed weight. I'm mostly a lot under 20 kgs, but on the one occaision I
    > actually have to carry something I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
    > obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
[snip]

Get a hard sided golf bag carrier and fill it with whatever ya want.
We put more in those bags than just clubs ya know.

Scott Howard

In aus.aviation GB wrote:
    > "Lennart Petersen" wrote in
    > news[email protected]:
    >> Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The rest
    >> have the choice of white and white.
    >
    > "Well, I guess I'll have the chicken then, won't I!"

Rumack: What was served for dinner?
Elaine Dickinson: Well we had a choice of steak or fish.
Rumack: I know. I had lasagna.

marko

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:31:55 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:

    >In article , Chanchao
    > writes
    >>I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
    >>obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
    >You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
    >particularly the American section of) the human race.
    >--
    >Marie Lewis

I think he is more talking about the golf clubs / bikes etc. going on
free.

Mrtravel

matt weber wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:12:27 GMT, [email protected] (Kenny
    > McCormack) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>In article ,
    >>matt weber wrote:
    >>...
    >>>>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
    >>>>>do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
    >>>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
    >>Well, in US terms, it is 11.
    >
    > no it is 11 tons, Tonnes is a designator for Metric or Long tons as
    > they used to be called.

No, "tonnes" is simply a different way to spell "tons".
Do you think the Brits usually use the term "gallon" or "imperial
gallon" when talking about gallons in the UK?
When the world says "ton", no matter how they spell it, they are
referring to metric tons. Since the weight was given in kilograms, the
result of the multiplication by 500 would be expected to refer to metric
tons.

Derek McBryde

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:13:18 GMT, mrtravel
wrote:

    >> no it is 11 tons, Tonnes is a designator for Metric or Long tons as
    >> they used to be called.
    >No, "tonnes" is simply a different way to spell "tons".
    >Do you think the Brits usually use the term "gallon" or "imperial
    >gallon" when talking about gallons in the UK?
    >When the world says "ton", no matter how they spell it, they are
    >referring to metric tons. Since the weight was given in kilograms, the
    >result of the multiplication by 500 would be expected to refer to metric
    >tons.

People may well have abbreviated "tonnes" to "tons" but a metric ton
(or tonne) did not used to be called a Long ton. A long ton is 2240
pounds - a UK standard. A short ton is 2000 pounds - a US standard.
A metric ton is 1000kg - an SI standard.

It may be factually more accurate, since metrication and SI
standards, to say that "When the world says "ton", no matter how they
spell it, they are referring to metric tons". However I'd lay odds
that in UK many people still understand the word ton to mean 2240
pounds.

Derek

Sjoerd

"Tim" schreef in bericht
newsprre15rfvwxhha1@localhost...
    > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:31:55 +0100, Marie Lewis
    > wrote:
    > > In article , Chanchao
    > > writes
    > >> I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
    > >> obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
    > > You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
    > > particularly the American section of) the human race.
    > Who mentioned Americans ?

Although many other parts of the world are catching up, the Americans are
still among the fattest people on earth. (on average)

Sjoerd

Derek McBryde

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:31:55 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:

    >In article , Chanchao
    > writes
    >>I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
    >>obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
    >You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
    >particularly the American section of) the human race.

hmmmm It is true that about 25% of the world's population is
technically obese and that the percentage is much higher in some
countries than others. However if I am to believe medical opinion,
tolerance of obesity does not do anyone any favours.

Golfers worldwide I understand are in the tens of millions amongst a
world population of about 6.2 billion.

The combination of obese people with golf bags getting on planes at no
extra charge, must be very small indeed so the poster is hardly being
intolerant towards a large part of the human race.

In any case, why should such people be allowed to take up more than
their fair share of finite resources for free while others get
charged? ( I will make exceptions for those very few people with
genuine medical reasons for obesity).


Derek.

Gblack

"JB" wrote in message
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    :
    : "GB" wrote in message
    : news:[email protected]...
    : > "Lennart Petersen" wrote in
    : > news[email protected]:
    : > > Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The
rest
    : > > have the choice of white and white.
    : >
    : > "Well, I guess I'll have the chicken then, won't I!"
    : >
    : > G
    :
    : It's off...
    :
Flew the coop huh...
oh well, back to the wine

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Matt Weber

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:51:15 +0700, Chanchao
wrote:

    >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:05:14 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
    > wrote some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess
    >baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
    >>> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
    >>> fly them!!!
    >>Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
    >>I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
    >Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in counter.
    >Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs and
    >probably other stuff at * no charge *
With the exception of wheel chairs, at least under the tariffs, they
DO count toward luggage. For US carriers, Wheelchairs are covered by
law under American with Disabilities Act in the USA. US carriers are
required by law to make reasonable accomodation for the disabled
without charge. I was actually reading a Continental Airlines memo a
few days reminding the cabin crew that Wheelchairs have priority over
all other items in the onboard closets.

Matt Weber

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:25:48 GMT,
marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly)
wrote:

    >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:00:17 GMT, "devil" wrote:
    >>> If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
    >>Good luck. :-)
    >Also I kniow this might not apply for USA but rest of the world,
    >doesn't Warsaw convention states that the airline only have to
    >gurantee getting you from A to B. not the actual time?

Not in the Warsaw Convention, however the tariff or conditions of
carriage make clear that there are no warranties as to time, and
specifically deny any warranties, or claims of loss due to delay.

Having said that however, there are a number of circumstances where
there are consequences for delay. For example in the USA, on most
restricted tickets, the failure to operate the ticketed flight on the
day the ticket and reservations states, effectively voids the
transportation contract, and non-refundable tickets will become fully
refundable, and various other travel restrictions such as Saturday
Night stays, blackout dates etc disappear. The contract for carriage
remains valid if you want it too, but the failure to transport
usually voids the restrictions.

This is generally spelled out in Tariff Rules 240 and 80

Scott

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:37:15 -0700, matt weber
wrote:

    >On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:51:15 +0700, Chanchao
    >wrote:
    >>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:05:14 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
    >> wrote some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess
    >>baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
    >>>> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
    >>>> fly them!!!
    >>>Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
    >>>I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
    >>Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in counter.
    >>Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs and
    >>probably other stuff at * no charge *
    >With the exception of wheel chairs, at least under the tariffs, they
    >DO count toward luggage. For US carriers, Wheelchairs are covered by
    >law under American with Disabilities Act in the USA. US carriers are
    >required by law to make reasonable accomodation for the disabled
    >without charge. I was actually reading a Continental Airlines memo a
    >few days reminding the cabin crew that Wheelchairs have priority over
    >all other items in the onboard closets.

Yes they are required to make reasonable accommodations for the
disabled. However, it's not the ADA law that covers it, IIRC.

Steve

"me" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Chanchao wrote in message
news:...
    > [snip]
    > > Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in
counter.
    > > Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs
and
    > > probably other stuff at * no charge *, as in not counted towards the
total
    > > allowed weight. I'm mostly a lot under 20 kgs, but on the one occaision
I
    > > actually have to carry something I don't want to be charged $1000 while
the
    > > obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
    > [snip]
    > Get a hard sided golf bag carrier and fill it with whatever ya want.
    > We put more in those bags than just clubs ya know.

Same goes with ski's and a ski bag. I normally toss clothing and other
items into my ski bag & sometimes stuff into my ski boot bag. Even though
it's two items, they normally count it as one (ski bag + boot bag = one
checked item).

Best,

Steve