700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
Jun 26th 2003, 9:43 am
#31
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
Chanchao wrote in
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "JB" wrote some
> stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
> like to add the following:
>
>>Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
>
> Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some
> airline dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
>
> Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers...
> oh lets throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
>
> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not
> to fly them!!! Promise!! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
>
I've been on one of those flight that hade to make an unscheduled stop
due to excess baggage... It isn't at all fun, especially on a 4 hour
flight.
Let's see... If that airline wasn't the only convenient way to get where
I wanted to go I wouldn't have flown them again because of this incident.
Luckly I have since moved and have other options....
news:[email protected]:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "JB" wrote some
> stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
> like to add the following:
>
>>Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
>
> Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some
> airline dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
>
> Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers...
> oh lets throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
>
> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not
> to fly them!!! Promise!! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
>
I've been on one of those flight that hade to make an unscheduled stop
due to excess baggage... It isn't at all fun, especially on a 4 hour
flight.
Let's see... If that airline wasn't the only convenient way to get where
I wanted to go I wouldn't have flown them again because of this incident.
Luckly I have since moved and have other options....
Jun 26th 2003, 9:52 am
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
> news
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>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>> news
[email protected]...
>> >
>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
> passenger
>> weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
>> are reasons for a decision.
>
> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
> (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10 August. See
> http://www.naafa.org/.
Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
> news
[email protected]...>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>> news
[email protected]...>> >
>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
> passenger
>> weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
>> are reasons for a decision.
>
> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
> (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10 August. See
> http://www.naafa.org/.
Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
Jun 26th 2003, 10:05 am
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devil wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>> news[email protected]...
>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>> news[email protected]...
>>> >
>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
I smell lawsuit!!!
If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
devil wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>> news
[email protected]...>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>> news
[email protected]...>>> >
>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
I smell lawsuit!!!
If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
Jun 26th 2003, 11:00 am
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:05:55 +0000, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article ,
> devil wrote:
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> >
>>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
>
> I smell lawsuit!!!
On what basis? Denied boarding happens everyday. Call for volunteers,
etc. Precisely the same spiel, same reasons actually.
And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
uncommon. don't they say the latest USAir crash would have been avoided
if they would have done it?
> If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
Good luck. :-)
> In article ,
> devil wrote:
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>> news
[email protected]...>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news
[email protected]...>>>> >
>>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
>
> I smell lawsuit!!!
On what basis? Denied boarding happens everyday. Call for volunteers,
etc. Precisely the same spiel, same reasons actually.
And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
uncommon. don't they say the latest USAir crash would have been avoided
if they would have done it?
> If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
Good luck. :-)
Jun 26th 2003, 4:51 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:12:27 GMT, [email protected] (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
>In article ,
>matt weber wrote:
>...
>>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>>> do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
>Well, in US terms, it is 11.
no it is 11 tons, Tonnes is a designator for Metric or Long tons as
they used to be called.
>Unclear whether "1" was a typo for "10" or for "11".
>Could go either way...
McCormack) wrote:
>In article ,
>matt weber wrote:
>...
>>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>>> do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
>Well, in US terms, it is 11.
no it is 11 tons, Tonnes is a designator for Metric or Long tons as
they used to be called.
>Unclear whether "1" was a typo for "10" or for "11".
>Could go either way...
Jun 26th 2003, 4:51 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:05:14 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
wrote some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess
baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
>> fly them!!!
>Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
>I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in counter.
Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs and
probably other stuff at * no charge *, as in not counted towards the total
allowed weight. I'm mostly a lot under 20 kgs, but on the one occaision I
actually have to carry something I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
That said.. at 20 kgs over I would do some checking first of course. I'm
actually more upset at getting charged when just a few kgs over.
Cheers,
Chanchao
wrote some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess
baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
>> fly them!!!
>Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
>I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
Most have the same rules, few apply them the same way at the check in counter.
Note that several airlines will carry golf bags, bicycles, wheelchairs and
probably other stuff at * no charge *, as in not counted towards the total
allowed weight. I'm mostly a lot under 20 kgs, but on the one occaision I
actually have to carry something I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
That said.. at 20 kgs over I would do some checking first of course. I'm
actually more upset at getting charged when just a few kgs over.
Cheers,
Chanchao
Jun 26th 2003, 4:54 pm
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:37:11 +1000, "PlaneGuy"
wrote:
>JB, you may be able to answer this.
>The "allowance" is 20kg per passenger, but what does the airline budget for
>every passenger carrying? That is, I know the load and balance sheet handed
>to the crew will give the actual weight, but what are calculations done on
>prior to getting the data handed over?
>Also, for say a LAX-SYD 747 flight, what are the usual weights of passenger
>luggage versus freight?
The number QF traditionally use is 100Kg per passenger all up
(passenger, checked, and carry on).
Freight depends upon load, but only about 1500kg is sold on a
contractual basis, i.e. guaranteed to fly on the standard -400. The ER
probalby increases that number to more like 10,000Kg.
wrote:
>JB, you may be able to answer this.
>The "allowance" is 20kg per passenger, but what does the airline budget for
>every passenger carrying? That is, I know the load and balance sheet handed
>to the crew will give the actual weight, but what are calculations done on
>prior to getting the data handed over?
>Also, for say a LAX-SYD 747 flight, what are the usual weights of passenger
>luggage versus freight?
The number QF traditionally use is 100Kg per passenger all up
(passenger, checked, and carry on).
Freight depends upon load, but only about 1500kg is sold on a
contractual basis, i.e. guaranteed to fly on the standard -400. The ER
probalby increases that number to more like 10,000Kg.
Jun 26th 2003, 4:58 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:05:55 GMT, [email protected] (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
>In article ,
>devil wrote:
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> >
>>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
>I smell lawsuit!!!
>If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
Actually Southwest Airlines has a far more effective way to deal with
the problem. If you don't fit into one seat, you are going to have to
buy two seats, period.
McCormack) wrote:
>In article ,
>devil wrote:
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>> news
[email protected]...>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news
[email protected]...>>>> >
>>>> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
>>>> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
>>>> passenger weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity
>>>> conference or so there are reasons for a decision.
>>> This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat
>>> Acceptance (NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10
>>> August. See http://www.naafa.org/.
>>Wouldn't it be lovely to see the captain having them all weighed and
>>ending up denying boarding to the 30 heaviest ones on safety grounds?
>I smell lawsuit!!!
>If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
Actually Southwest Airlines has a far more effective way to deal with
the problem. If you don't fit into one seat, you are going to have to
buy two seats, period.
Jun 26th 2003, 5:01 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:00:17 GMT, "devil" wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:05:55 +0000, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article ,
>> devil wrote:
>>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>>> news[email protected]...
>>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>>> news[email protected]...
>On what basis? Denied boarding happens everyday. Call for volunteers,
>etc. Precisely the same spiel, same reasons actually.
>And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
>uncommon. don't they say the latest USAir crash would have been avoided
>if they would have done it?
It wouldn't have helped. The high load move the CG well aft of where
it had been on the previous flights (but both weight, and CG were well
within certification limits). The problem was that due to improper
rigging of the controls, 70% of the down elevator authority had been
lost. You basically end up with an AFT CG, and insufficient control
authority to deal with it.
It is kind of surprising that no one had noticed the loss of down
elevator authority on the previous flights.
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:05:55 +0000, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article ,
>> devil wrote:
>>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:23:21 +0000, Dennis G. Rears wrote:
>>>> "Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
>>>> news
[email protected]...>>>>> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
>>>>> news
[email protected]...>On what basis? Denied boarding happens everyday. Call for volunteers,
>etc. Precisely the same spiel, same reasons actually.
>And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
>uncommon. don't they say the latest USAir crash would have been avoided
>if they would have done it?
It wouldn't have helped. The high load move the CG well aft of where
it had been on the previous flights (but both weight, and CG were well
within certification limits). The problem was that due to improper
rigging of the controls, 70% of the down elevator authority had been
lost. You basically end up with an AFT CG, and insufficient control
authority to deal with it.
It is kind of surprising that no one had noticed the loss of down
elevator authority on the previous flights.
Jun 26th 2003, 7:25 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:00:17 GMT, "devil" wrote:
>> If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
>Good luck. :-)
Also I kniow this might not apply for USA but rest of the world,
doesn't Warsaw convention states that the airline only have to
gurantee getting you from A to B. not the actual time?
>> If I were an attorney, I think I'd plan to be there.
>Good luck. :-)
Also I kniow this might not apply for USA but rest of the world,
doesn't Warsaw convention states that the airline only have to
gurantee getting you from A to B. not the actual time?
Jun 26th 2003, 7:30 pm
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In article , devil
writes
>And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
>uncommon.
But it was not in order to refuse travel to the heavier passengers.
It was simply to calculate the amount of fuel required.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>And BTW in the olden days having the passengers weighed was by no means
>uncommon.
But it was not in order to refuse travel to the heavier passengers.
It was simply to calculate the amount of fuel required.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 26th 2003, 7:31 pm
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In article , Chanchao
writes
>I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
particularly the American section of) the human race.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
particularly the American section of) the human race.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 26th 2003, 8:06 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:31:55 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
> In article , Chanchao
> writes
>> I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>> obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
> particularly the American section of) the human race.
Who mentioned Americans ?
wrote:
> In article , Chanchao
> writes
>> I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>> obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
> particularly the American section of) the human race.
Who mentioned Americans ?
Jun 26th 2003, 11:14 pm
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"Marie Lewis" skrev i meddelandet
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> In article , Chanchao
> writes
> >I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
> >obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
> particularly the American section of) the human race.
> --
> Marie Lewis
Golf players ??
news:[email protected]...
> In article , Chanchao
> writes
> >I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
> >obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
> particularly the American section of) the human race.
> --
> Marie Lewis
Golf players ??
Jun 26th 2003, 11:21 pm
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"Lennart Petersen" wrote in
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> "Marie Lewis" skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article , Chanchao
>> writes
>> >I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>> >obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
>> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
>> particularly the American section of) the human race.
>> --
>> Marie Lewis
> Golf players ??
Fat bastards!
G
news:[email protected]:
> "Marie Lewis" skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article , Chanchao
>> writes
>> >I don't want to be charged $1000 while the
>> >obese dude with the golf bags gets on at no extra charge.
>> You really are intolerant towards a large part of the human (and
>> particularly the American section of) the human race.
>> --
>> Marie Lewis
> Golf players ??
Fat bastards!
G
