700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
Jun 25th 2003, 10:50 am
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
yes, my apologies ............ 10 metric tonnes
"mrtravel" wrote in message
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> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Miguel Cruz wrote:
> >
> >>Christopher wrote:
> >>
> >>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do
this
> >>>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> >>
> >
> > I think that would be 11 tons. You do the math.
> 10 metric tons
"mrtravel" wrote in message
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> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Miguel Cruz wrote:
> >
> >>Christopher wrote:
> >>
> >>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do
this
> >>>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> >>
> >
> > I think that would be 11 tons. You do the math.
> 10 metric tons
Jun 25th 2003, 11:43 am
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> well, if we're talking about morons, 1 tonne wouldn't
> hardly be noticed. Now 20 kg * 500 = 10 tonne, which,
> by the by is about 3% of the take off weight of the 747.
> The pilot MIGHT notice this.
You'd notice 10 tonnes all right. It would start with the takeoff
performance being worse than expected. Not dramatically, but it could become
so if you were near the limits already, or if something went wrong.
Climb performance, particularly max altitude would be reduced, but it would
only become evident if you had to climb to the performance limited ceiling.
This happens quite regularly.
Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably. 10 tonnes on a normal -400 long
range sector would give almost 6000 kgs additional burn. That would be
enough on virtually all sectors to mean that you wouldn't have enough, and
would have
to look for a diversion field. Even as little as a couple of tonnes of
unannounced weight would wreak havoc with fuel planning.
JB
> well, if we're talking about morons, 1 tonne wouldn't
> hardly be noticed. Now 20 kg * 500 = 10 tonne, which,
> by the by is about 3% of the take off weight of the 747.
> The pilot MIGHT notice this.
You'd notice 10 tonnes all right. It would start with the takeoff
performance being worse than expected. Not dramatically, but it could become
so if you were near the limits already, or if something went wrong.
Climb performance, particularly max altitude would be reduced, but it would
only become evident if you had to climb to the performance limited ceiling.
This happens quite regularly.
Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably. 10 tonnes on a normal -400 long
range sector would give almost 6000 kgs additional burn. That would be
enough on virtually all sectors to mean that you wouldn't have enough, and
would have
to look for a diversion field. Even as little as a couple of tonnes of
unannounced weight would wreak havoc with fuel planning.
JB
Jun 25th 2003, 3:29 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher"
wrote some stuff about "Re: 700
Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
You're underestimating the occupancy level of the average 747 and
underestimating my will not to be ripped off. And you're underestimating your
own math-skills, but I'll let that one slide. ;-)
Cheers,
Chanchao
wrote some stuff about "Re: 700
Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
You're underestimating the occupancy level of the average 747 and
underestimating my will not to be ripped off. And you're underestimating your
own math-skills, but I'll let that one slide. ;-)
Cheers,
Chanchao
Jun 25th 2003, 3:32 pm
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:16 GMT,
marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly) wrote
some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like
to add the following:
>>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
What if all 500 passengers are obese?
What if all 500 passengers decide to jump up and down at the same time? ;-)
What if all 500 passengers drink only red wine and no white?
Cheers,
Chanchao
marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly) wrote
some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like
to add the following:
>>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
What if all 500 passengers are obese?
What if all 500 passengers decide to jump up and down at the same time? ;-)
What if all 500 passengers drink only red wine and no white?
Cheers,
Chanchao
Jun 25th 2003, 3:37 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "JB" wrote some stuff
about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the
following:
>Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some airline
dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers... oh lets
throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to fly
them!!! Promise!! :-)
Cheers,
Chanchao
about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the
following:
>Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some airline
dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers... oh lets
throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to fly
them!!! Promise!! :-)
Cheers,
Chanchao
Jun 25th 2003, 5:10 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:45:52 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>Christopher wrote:
>> "Chanchao" wrote:
>>> And stuff lots of heavy things in bags to be kept out of sight. Then
>>> transfer to a 'duty free' bag after check-in to cause less suspicion.
>>> I'd move heaven and hell to get this done free, EVEN when on a company
>>> trip on expenses.
>>> Needless to say, retreat out of sight first and then go to a different
>>> check-in counter.
>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
>Christopher wrote:
>> "Chanchao" wrote:
>>> And stuff lots of heavy things in bags to be kept out of sight. Then
>>> transfer to a 'duty free' bag after check-in to cause less suspicion.
>>> I'd move heaven and hell to get this done free, EVEN when on a company
>>> trip on expenses.
>>> Needless to say, retreat out of sight first and then go to a different
>>> check-in counter.
>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
Jun 25th 2003, 5:12 pm
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In article ,
matt weber wrote:
...
>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>> do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
Well, in US terms, it is 11.
Unclear whether "1" was a typo for "10" or for "11".
Could go either way...
matt weber wrote:
...
>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>> do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
Well, in US terms, it is 11.
Unclear whether "1" was a typo for "10" or for "11".
Could go either way...
Jun 25th 2003, 5:12 pm
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On 25 Jun 2003 11:08:16 -0700, [email protected] (me) wrote:
>"Christopher" wrote in message news:...
>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> well, if we're talking about morons, 1 tonne wouldn't
>hardly be noticed. Now 20 kg * 500 = 10 tonne, which,
>by the by is about 3% of the take off weight of the 747.
>The pilot MIGHT notice this.
He may not notice it from the handling, but on a trip like LAX-SYD, he
will notice it from the Fuel burn over 4 or 5 hours, in fact it is
likely you'd be making an unscheduled visit to BNE.
>"Christopher" wrote in message news:...
>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> well, if we're talking about morons, 1 tonne wouldn't
>hardly be noticed. Now 20 kg * 500 = 10 tonne, which,
>by the by is about 3% of the take off weight of the 747.
>The pilot MIGHT notice this.
He may not notice it from the handling, but on a trip like LAX-SYD, he
will notice it from the Fuel burn over 4 or 5 hours, in fact it is
likely you'd be making an unscheduled visit to BNE.
Jun 25th 2003, 5:42 pm
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matt weber wrote:
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Christopher wrote:
>>> "Chanchao" wrote:
>>>> And stuff lots of heavy things in bags to be kept out of sight. Then
>>>> transfer to a 'duty free' bag after check-in to cause less suspicion.
>>>> I'd move heaven and hell to get this done free, EVEN when on a company
>>>> trip on expenses.
>>>> Needless to say, retreat out of sight first and then go to a different
>>>> check-in counter.
>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
Where did you learn quoting? I didn't write any of that.
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> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Christopher wrote:
>>> "Chanchao" wrote:
>>>> And stuff lots of heavy things in bags to be kept out of sight. Then
>>>> transfer to a 'duty free' bag after check-in to cause less suspicion.
>>>> I'd move heaven and hell to get this done free, EVEN when on a company
>>>> trip on expenses.
>>>> Needless to say, retreat out of sight first and then go to a different
>>>> check-in counter.
>>> what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>>> .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
> Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
Where did you learn quoting? I didn't write any of that.
miguel
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Jun 25th 2003, 6:41 pm
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Chanchao wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher"
> wrote some stuff about "Re: 700
> Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>
>
>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>
>
> You're underestimating the occupancy level of the average 747 and
> underestimating my will not to be ripped off. And you're underestimating your
> own math-skills, but I'll let that one slide. ;-)
>
I think he overestimated his math skills or knowledge of how many kg to
the tonne
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher"
> wrote some stuff about "Re: 700
> Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add the following:
>
>
>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
>>.... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>
>
> You're underestimating the occupancy level of the average 747 and
> underestimating my will not to be ripped off. And you're underestimating your
> own math-skills, but I'll let that one slide. ;-)
>
I think he overestimated his math skills or knowledge of how many kg to
the tonne
Jun 25th 2003, 6:42 pm
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Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article ,
> matt weber wrote:
> ...
>
>>>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>>>do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
>
>
> Well, in US terms, it is 11.
But, we were thinking in metric. (he said 20 kg)
> In article ,
> matt weber wrote:
> ...
>
>>>>what a total moron ............... so if all 500 passengers on a 747
>>>>do this .... 20 kgs x 500 = 1 tonne !
>>Where did you learn arithmetic.. It is 10 tonnes!
>
>
> Well, in US terms, it is 11.
But, we were thinking in metric. (he said 20 kg)
Jun 25th 2003, 10:37 pm
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JB, you may be able to answer this.
The "allowance" is 20kg per passenger, but what does the airline budget for
every passenger carrying? That is, I know the load and balance sheet handed
to the crew will give the actual weight, but what are calculations done on
prior to getting the data handed over?
Also, for say a LAX-SYD 747 flight, what are the usual weights of passenger
luggage versus freight?
The "allowance" is 20kg per passenger, but what does the airline budget for
every passenger carrying? That is, I know the load and balance sheet handed
to the crew will give the actual weight, but what are calculations done on
prior to getting the data handed over?
Also, for say a LAX-SYD 747 flight, what are the usual weights of passenger
luggage versus freight?
Jun 26th 2003, 1:05 am
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"Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "JB" wrote some
stuff
> about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add
the
> following:
> >Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
> Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some airline
> dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
> Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers... oh
lets
> throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
fly
> them!!! Promise!! :-)
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
Here's LH:
Excess baggage
Baggage exceeding the free baggage allowance may be transported as excess
baggage;the charge is 1,5%of the one-way Economy Class fare per kg,or a set
fee for baggage transported on the piece-baggage concept.
I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
No problem for me as I'm always much below the 20kg allowance and in fact
I've managed to travel round the world with about 6kg checked luggage.
In fact I'm subsidizing those travelling with full allowance as we are
paying the same fare.
L.P
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "JB" wrote some
stuff
> about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would like to add
the
> following:
> >Fuel burn would increase quite noticeably.
> Customer loyalty would decrease even bloody more noticably if some airline
> dares to charge 700 Euros (1000 US$ these days??) for 20 kgs.
> Up to the airline: Extra fuel.. customers.. extra fuel.. customers... oh
lets
> throw a coin. Decisions, decisions..!
> What airline were we arguing about again? *I*ll make it a point not to
fly
> them!!! Promise!! :-)
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
Most airlines seem to have the same rules 1-1,5% of full economy fare.
Here's LH:
Excess baggage
Baggage exceeding the free baggage allowance may be transported as excess
baggage;the charge is 1,5%of the one-way Economy Class fare per kg,or a set
fee for baggage transported on the piece-baggage concept.
I guees you have to avoid almost airlines.
No problem for me as I'm always much below the 20kg allowance and in fact
I've managed to travel round the world with about 6kg checked luggage.
In fact I'm subsidizing those travelling with full allowance as we are
paying the same fare.
L.P
Jun 26th 2003, 1:22 am
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Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff
"Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:16 GMT,
> marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly)
wrote
> some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
like
> to add the following:
> >>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
> What if all 500 passengers are obese?
Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average passenger
weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
are reasons for a decision.
Remove freight and/or luggage, or deny one out of three his flight ?
> What if all 500 passengers decide to jump up and down at the same time?
;-)
Who knows but I wouldn't like to be onboard. Perhaps it's the same way as
collective suicide but I'm not sure.
> What if all 500 passengers drink only red wine and no white?
Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The rest have the
choice of white and white.
news
[email protected]...> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:16 GMT,
> marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly)
wrote
> some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
like
> to add the following:
> >>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
> What if all 500 passengers are obese?
Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average passenger
weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
are reasons for a decision.
Remove freight and/or luggage, or deny one out of three his flight ?
> What if all 500 passengers decide to jump up and down at the same time?
;-)
Who knows but I wouldn't like to be onboard. Perhaps it's the same way as
collective suicide but I'm not sure.
> What if all 500 passengers drink only red wine and no white?
Quite simple, when red wine is finished it's finished ! The rest have the
choice of white and white.
Jun 26th 2003, 3:23 am
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"Lennart Petersen" wrote in message
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> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
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> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:16 GMT,
> > marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly)
> wrote
> > some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
> like
> > to add the following:
> >
> > >>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
> >
> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
passenger
> weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
> are reasons for a decision.
This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
(NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10 August. See
http://www.naafa.org/.
dennis
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[email protected]...> "Chanchao" skrev i meddelandet
> news
[email protected]...> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:16 GMT,
> > marko"_R*E*M*O*V*E*T*H*I*S*P*A*R*T_"@nojunk.ntlwor ld.com (Mark Kelly)
> wrote
> > some stuff about "Re: 700 Euros excess baggage ripoff", to which I would
> like
> > to add the following:
> >
> > >>>> so if all 500 passengers on a 747 do this
> >
> > What if all 500 passengers are obese?
> Captains decision, a flight is normally calculated from an average
passenger
> weight but if there's 500 on the way to the obesity conference or so there
> are reasons for a decision.
This might happen when the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
(NAAFA) has their annual convention in Los Angeles on 5-10 August. See
http://www.naafa.org/.
dennis
