Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Peter a écrit :
    > > Never were. You might as well say that the place is full of pakehas.
    >
    > That's slang?
    > It's fun for everyone but me, cause it's not in my dictionary!!!...
    > :-D

Maori words don't have the same plural forms as English words.

One Maori, two Maori, many Maori.
One sheep, two sheep, a million sheep.

Pakeha is the Maori name for non-Maori folk.

Caro

Peter a écrit :
    > but they don't really mind
    > losing to us 32:12

Oh man I think you're looking for troubles?...
If you said that in France, you would be beaten to death in a stadium...

    :-D lol

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Is "australian" very far from English? As far/farther than "american"?
    > That's a question I should have asked before ;-)

English seems to be converging on American usage now, following the
weight of cultural imperialism. Australian is perhaps midway between UK
English and US English. We use British spellings such as "colour" rather
than "color" but many British idioms are losing their currency here.

You'll have trouble with slang and subtleties, as we have seen, but if
in doubt, ask.

Pierre

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Peter a écrit :
    > > but they don't really mind
    > > losing to us 32:12
    >
    > Oh man I think you're looking for troubles?...
    > If you said that in France, you would be beaten to death in a stadium...

Only joking. New Zealanders take their rugby very seriously, and the
whole nation is probably in deep mourning. If there's one thing they
hate worse than being beaten by us, I don't know what it is.

I'll insert a plug for my book here. I wrote a book earlier this year on
my travels in New Zealand, and I go into the relationship between our
two countries to some extent. It's self-published on Lulu and you can
download a copy for free at http://www.lulu.com/content/56751

I'm actually a big fan of New Zealand. It's a gem of a country.

Pete

Alan

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:45:39 +1000, Peter <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    >> Peter a écrit :
    >> > Asking an Australian about New Zealanders and sheep is asking for
    >> > trouble. Depends how interesting you want your thesis to be, I suppose.
    >>
    >> Because shephers are only found in NZ, not in Australia?
    >No, Australia has more sheep. We're just not as sheepish about it.
    >> > Pete,
    >>
    >> I can't really see the weigth of the stupid thing I said yet! Is it
    >> really something that makes people angry about?
    >On the contrary. Australians are happy to talk about Kiwis and sheep
    >until the cows come home.
    >Sorry. I shouldn't torture you so. There is a running joke in Australia
    >that New Zealanders (known as Kiwis) have relations with sheep. This is
    >because sheep are highly visible in New Zealand and people aren't.
    >Of course the truth is that most New Zealanders are quite innocent of
    >this practice.
    >This minor point aside, the relationsheep between Australians and Kiwis
    >could best be described as La Belle Alliance.
    >Pete, who knows his Quatre Bras

Hi Pete

Um, "most" New Zealanders?
Interesting method of "calming things down":-)


Cheers, Alan
--

AlmostBob

"Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    | On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:45:39 +1000, Peter <[email protected]>
    | wrote:
    |
    | >In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    | >> Peter a écrit :
    | >> > Asking an Australian about New Zealanders and sheep is asking for
    | >> > trouble. Depends how interesting you want your thesis to be, I
suppose.
    | >>
    | >> Because shephers are only found in NZ, not in Australia?
    | >
    | >No, Australia has more sheep. We're just not as sheepish about it.
    | >
    | >> > Pete,
    | >>
    | >> I can't really see the weigth of the stupid thing I said yet! Is it
    | >> really something that makes people angry about?
    | >
    | >On the contrary. Australians are happy to talk about Kiwis and sheep
    | >until the cows come home.
    | >
    | >Sorry. I shouldn't torture you so. There is a running joke in Australia
    | >that New Zealanders (known as Kiwis) have relations with sheep. This is
    | >because sheep are highly visible in New Zealand and people aren't.
    | >
    | >Of course the truth is that most New Zealanders are quite innocent of
    | >this practice.
    | >
    | >This minor point aside, the relationsheep between Australians and Kiwis
    | >could best be described as La Belle Alliance.
    | >
    | >Pete, who knows his Quatre Bras
    |
    | Hi Pete
    |
    | Um, "most" New Zealanders?
    | Interesting method of "calming things down":-)
    |
    |
    | Cheers, Alan
    | --

Of Course 'most',, nearly 60%

;>)

AlmostBob

You get English subtitles for Aus television, here in NS Canada, because they
think that the locals wont understand the accent

--

"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] T...
    | In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    | > Is "australian" very far from English? As far/farther than "american"?
    | > That's a question I should have asked before ;-)
    |
    | English seems to be converging on American usage now, following the
    | weight of cultural imperialism. Australian is perhaps midway between UK
    | English and US English. We use British spellings such as "colour" rather
    | than "color" but many British idioms are losing their currency here.
    |
    | You'll have trouble with slang and subtleties, as we have seen, but if
    | in doubt, ask.
    |
    | Pierre

Caro

Geoff Lillico a écrit :

    > Lots of details here - http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/index.htm

Thanks a lot!

Caro.

Caro

AlmostBob a écrit :

    > You get English subtitles for Aus television, here in NS Canada, because they
    > think that the locals wont understand the accent

Because accent is really incomprehensible?
I'd better watch some Australian movies...
Is there a website where you can get the australian tv? What are the
names of the channels?
Is there a great number of australian movies that you think I can get
from France?

Thanks.

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Is there a website where you can get the australian tv? What are the
    > names of the channels?

SBS = Special Broadcasting Service, heavy on international news and
sports, non-English movies and shows. Has some really great
documentaries. Always worth a look to see what's coming up. Nightly news
often has a different set of stories (or a different coverage of the
main stories) from the other channels, which tend to be same same.

ABC = Australian Broadcasting Commission. The government channel, heavy
on BBC and other British shows. Has a heavy commitment to childrens and
community programs, lots of documentaries. News and current events
slanted towards politics.

WIN/NINE - Kerry Packer's channel. The best of the three commercial
channels, probably aimed at the baby boomer demographic.

TEN - The Entertainment Network. Aims at the younger end of the market,
heavy on reality TV, comedies, light entertainment.

PRIME/SEVEN - Much the same as TEN, but not quite as full on.

There are various cable or satellite channels available, you get the
same sort of stuff, with the number and range of channels depending on
the deal you get.

Frank Slootweg

Caro <[email protected]> wrote:
    > AlmostBob a écrit :
    >
    > > You get English subtitles for Aus television, here in NS Canada, because they
    > > think that the locals wont understand the accent
    >
    > Because accent is really incomprehensible?
    > I'd better watch some Australian movies...
    > Is there a website where you can get the australian tv? What are the
    > names of the channels?

It is probably best to search Google on "web TV Australia" to get some
pointers.

For ABC, see the ABC website: <http://www.abc.net.au>

For example <http://www.abc.net.au/broadband/default.htm> gives you a
list of ABC's web TV (video) and web radio (audio).

For example <http://www.abc.net.au/broadbandnews/ram/news.ram> is the
ABC News program (in RealPlayer format).

Note however that the English spoken there is rather 'clean' English,
i.e. some Australian *accent*, but probably little Australian *'slang'*
(called "strine").

    > Is there a great number of australian movies that you think I can get
    > from France?

Don't know, but what about some TV channels?

If you can get BBC1 (from 'England') or the Dutch Belgian TV channel
("TV 1"), then watch the show Neighbours. That will give you *some*,
granted distorted, idea. If you can get the Dutch (The Netherlands, aka
"Holland") channel SBS6, then you can watch the re-run of the series The
Flying Doctors. That will give you some 'better' idea, including an
Outback view.

    > Thanks.
    >
    > Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Frank Slootweg
says...
    > If you can get BBC1 (from 'England') or the Dutch Belgian TV channel
    > ("TV 1"), then watch the show Neighbours. That will give you *some*,
    > granted distorted, idea.

Ramsay Place is actually the most hideous slum. It's to be torn down and
decent housing put up.

AlmostBob

Ramsay street doesnt, and never did, exist, I lived in Nunawading just next
to ATV10 studios and like everybody else, on the days when they changed the
street signs to film neighbours we all had to make sure that we stayed out of
camera shots and that our cars parked in our own yards in our street, now
called ramsay street for the show, didnt upset the continuity girl

--

"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] T...
    | In article <[email protected]>, Frank Slootweg
    | says...
    | > If you can get BBC1 (from 'England') or the Dutch Belgian TV channel
    | > ("TV 1"), then watch the show Neighbours. That will give you *some*,
    | > granted distorted, idea.
    |
    | Ramsay Place is actually the most hideous slum. It's to be torn down and
    | decent housing put up.

Alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:41:54 GMT, "AlmostBob"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Ramsay street doesnt, and never did, exist, I lived in Nunawading just next
    >to ATV10 studios and like everybody else, on the days when they changed the
    >street signs to film neighbours we all had to make sure that we stayed out of
    >camera shots and that our cars parked in our own yards in our street, now
    >called ramsay street for the show, didnt upset the continuity girl

In the '80s and '90s I was a cab-driver in Melbourne and I spent a lot
of time picking up from the Glen Waverley rank. As soon as I heard the
accent as they got in the cab, I knew we were off to Pinoak Court, South
Vermont:-) I lived about a mile away in Glen Waverley.

Hardly a slum, by the way. A very pleasant little piece of ordinary
Melbourne suburbia. And still there last time I checked.

http://www.whereis.com.au/whereis/mapping/renderMapAddress.do?name=&streetNumber=&street=Pin oak%20Court&streetType=&suburb=Vermont%20South&sta te=Victoria&latitude=-37.858915&longitude=145.17207&navId=$01007098X2NAH $&brandId=1&requiredZoomLevel=1
or http://tinyurl.com/6sxeq


Cheers, Alan
--

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Alan says...
    > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:41:54 GMT, "AlmostBob"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Ramsay street doesnt, and never did, exist, I lived in Nunawading just next
    > >to ATV10 studios and like everybody else, on the days when they changed the
    > >street signs to film neighbours we all had to make sure that we stayed out of
    > >camera shots and that our cars parked in our own yards in our street, now
    > >called ramsay street for the show, didnt upset the continuity girl
    >
    > In the '80s and '90s I was a cab-driver in Melbourne and I spent a lot
    > of time picking up from the Glen Waverley rank. As soon as I heard the
    > accent as they got in the cab, I knew we were off to Pinoak Court, South
    > Vermont:-) I lived about a mile away in Glen Waverley.
    >
    > Hardly a slum, by the way. A very pleasant little piece of ordinary
    > Melbourne suburbia. And still there last time I checked.

Knew I'd catch a couple. Of course it's a pleasant place to live, but if
foreigners thought that the place is thought of locally as a slum,
they'd wonder just how extra good is the rest of Australia.

In comparison to their own pathetic hovels.

Pete