Caro

Hello,

It's the first time I come on this newsgroup.
I'm a french student in anthropology, and I would like to study about
Australia.
I would like to know if it's easy to come in the country for a student
who is making a research, if life is expensive out there... etc.
Is there a big difference between NZ and Australia?
Wich one is better to your opinion for someone like me?

Thank you for your advice!

Caro.

Peter Webb

"Caro" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    > It's the first time I come on this newsgroup.
    > I'm a french student in anthropology, and I would like to study about
    > Australia.
    > I would like to know if it's easy to come in the country for a student

Yes.

    > who is making a research,

In anthropology? You are probably better asking in an anthropology
newsgroup.

    >if life is expensive out there... etc.

I would imagine that Australia is comparable to France, perhaps somewhat
cheaper. And, if you are under 30, you can work quite easily.

    > Is there a big difference between NZ and Australia?

Yes. There are many big differences between Australia and NZ. Culturally
they are similar in some respects.

    > Wich one is better to your opinion for someone like me?

For studying Australia, Australia would seem the better choice.

    > Thank you for your advice!

Try being more specific in your questions.

    > Caro.


Peter Webb

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"Peter Webb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] u...
    > "Caro" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Hello,
    >> It's the first time I come on this newsgroup.
    >> I'm a french student in anthropology, and I would like to study about
    >> Australia.
    >> I would like to know if it's easy to come in the country for a student
    > Yes.
    >> who is making a research,
    > In anthropology? You are probably better asking in an anthropology
    > newsgroup.
    >>if life is expensive out there... etc.
    > I would imagine that Australia is comparable to France, perhaps somewhat
    > cheaper. And, if you are under 30, you can work quite easily.
    >> Is there a big difference between NZ and Australia?
    > Yes. There are many big differences between Australia and NZ. Culturally
    > they are similar in some respects.
    >> Wich one is better to your opinion for someone like me?
    > For studying Australia, Australia would seem the better choice.
    >> Thank you for your advice!
    > Try being more specific in your questions.
    >> Caro.
    > Peter Webb
    >

Caro

Peter Webb a écrit :
    > In anthropology? You are probably better asking in an anthropology
    > newsgroup.

I did too. But I found it more complete if I had an australian's point
of view. Are you?

    >>if life is expensive out there... etc.
    >
    >
    > I would imagine that Australia is comparable to France, perhaps somewhat
    > cheaper. And, if you are under 30, you can work quite easily.

By example... How much may cost a flat in a city (a month)? a diner in a
restaurant (not a great one), A week of food? (it's a bit too specific,
now, isn't it? :-D )

    > Yes. There are many big differences between Australia and NZ. Culturally
    > they are similar in some respects.

What, is NZ more savage? I'd like to find a group very special to
study... maybe a manual work... I'd like to work about shepherds, or
joiners... "Old" jobs wich are still practised.

    > For studying Australia, Australia would seem the better choice.
    > Try being more specific in your questions.

Ok!... :-)
This is not easy to say what I like about Australia as I don't know much
about it. Maybe this will be clear when I read some anthropology books
about the subject.
In an intuition, I'd say that New Zealand could interest me more. I
don't know why. Is there any tribe left in NZ? I might be mistaken, but
I thought the Maoris lived in NZ?...

Thank you for your answers.
By the way, isn't my English too weird? :-[

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > What, is NZ more savage? I'd like to find a group very special to
    > study... maybe a manual work... I'd like to work about shepherds, or
    > joiners...

Asking an Australian about New Zealanders and sheep is asking for
trouble. Depends how interesting you want your thesis to be, I suppose.

Pete, calming things down

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > In an intuition, I'd say that New Zealand could interest me more. I
    > don't know why. Is there any tribe left in NZ? I might be mistaken, but
    > I thought the Maoris lived in NZ?...

Maori. There aren't any Maoris.

Caro

Peter a écrit :
    > Maori. There aren't any Maoris.

There hasn't been?

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Peter a écrit :
    > > Maori. There aren't any Maoris.
    >
    > There hasn't been?

Never were. You might as well say that the place is full of pakehas.

Caro

Peter a écrit :
    > Asking an Australian about New Zealanders and sheep is asking for
    > trouble. Depends how interesting you want your thesis to be, I suppose.

Because shephers are only found in NZ, not in Australia?

    > Pete, calming things down

I can't really see the weigth of the stupid thing I said yet! Is it
really something that makes people angry about?

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Peter a écrit :
    > > Asking an Australian about New Zealanders and sheep is asking for
    > > trouble. Depends how interesting you want your thesis to be, I suppose.
    >
    > Because shephers are only found in NZ, not in Australia?

No, Australia has more sheep. We're just not as sheepish about it.

    > > Pete, calming things down
    >
    > I can't really see the weigth of the stupid thing I said yet! Is it
    > really something that makes people angry about?

On the contrary. Australians are happy to talk about Kiwis and sheep
until the cows come home.

Sorry. I shouldn't torture you so. There is a running joke in Australia
that New Zealanders (known as Kiwis) have relations with sheep. This is
because sheep are highly visible in New Zealand and people aren't.

Of course the truth is that most New Zealanders are quite innocent of
this practice.

This minor point aside, the relationsheep between Australians and Kiwis
could best be described as La Belle Alliance.

Pete, who knows his Quatre Bras

A Mate

Caro,
Peter is 'taking the piss'. Check out what that means - To succeed in
getting the information you want in a Usenet group, I think you'll need to
find a translator who understands idiomatic English as spoken in Australia.


Good Luck

"Caro" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    > It's the first time I come on this newsgroup.
    > I'm a french student in anthropology, and I would like to study about
    > Australia.
    > I would like to know if it's easy to come in the country for a student who
    > is making a research, if life is expensive out there... etc.
    > Is there a big difference between NZ and Australia?
    > Wich one is better to your opinion for someone like me?
    > Thank you for your advice!
    > Caro.

Caro

Peter a écrit :
    > No, Australia has more sheep. We're just not as sheepish about it.

I didn't get the play of words. For me "sheepish" means "penaud", it's
hard to give a synonym but it's a bit like "sad and ashamed"
The barrier of language... :-)

    > On the contrary. Australians are happy to talk about Kiwis and sheep
    > until the cows come home.
    >
    > Sorry. I shouldn't torture you so. There is a running joke in Australia
    > that New Zealanders (known as Kiwis) have relations with sheep. This is
    > because sheep are highly visible in New Zealand and people aren't.

That's not fair, I couldn't know it! :-[ Ok, well-played! :-D

    > Of course the truth is that most New Zealanders are quite innocent of
    > this practice.

I imagine! :-D lol

    > This minor point aside, the relationsheep between Australians and Kiwis
    > could best be described as La Belle Alliance.
    >
    > Pete, who knows his Quatre Bras

Ok so it's not as strained as you said?

Caro.

Caro

Peter a écrit :
    > Never were. You might as well say that the place is full of pakehas.

That's slang?
It's fun for everyone but me, cause it's not in my dictionary!!!...
    :-D
"Could you be more specific?" (quotation from you)

Caro.

Caro

A Mate a écrit :

    > Caro,
    > Peter is 'taking the piss'. Check out what that means - To succeed in
    > getting the information you want in a Usenet group, I think you'll need to
    > find a translator who understands idiomatic English as spoken in Australia.

I know he is "taking the piss" out of me (in fact, i've just noticed), i
can't even understand all he said.
It's my future job to deal with it, and to learn by myself, and I'll
meat people like him and I have to get used to these ways.

I don't hate humour and I'm not disturbed by a bit of autoderision! :-D
It's allright, but thanks a lot!

Is "australian" very far from English? As far/farther than "american"?
That's a question I should have asked before ;-)

Caro.

Peter

In article <[email protected]>, Caro says...
    > Peter a écrit :

    > > This minor point aside, the relationsheep between Australians and Kiwis
    > > could best be described as La Belle Alliance.
    > >
    > > Pete, who knows his Quatre Bras
    >
    > Ok so it's not as strained as you said?

It would be hard to find two nations closer together, actually. We have
our little jokes about sheep and football, but they don't really mind
losing to us 32:12