Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
Oct 2nd 2004, 10:32 am
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Re: Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
mack wrote:
> .....they're large noisy birds and hang out
> in flocks (like Canada Geese do in USA).
You should see these monstrosities her in "Canader". Right now it is goose hunting
season and the Canada's are massing for the annual "fly away". Looks like another
fine year of procreation ......
Ken
"Winterpeg", Canada
> .....they're large noisy birds and hang out
> in flocks (like Canada Geese do in USA).
You should see these monstrosities her in "Canader". Right now it is goose hunting
season and the Canada's are massing for the annual "fly away". Looks like another
fine year of procreation ......
Ken
"Winterpeg", Canada
Oct 2nd 2004, 2:46 pm
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Re: Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:28:27 -0500, Ken Pisichko <[email protected]> wrote:
>Alan, please send me an e-mail for some additional commentary? What I sent to
>your alleged e-mail addy bounced. An anonymous forwarder will do, but not to
>this NG.
>Ken
>Alan wrote:
>> It's hard to answer without a little more info on the sorts of things
>> you are most interested in. I love wandering around in sleepy little
>> towns, or just sitting on a mountain lookout, or a ferry on the harbour.
>etc, etc.
Hi Ken
I'm a diabetic mate. So remove "weightandcarbs" to email:-)
I'll provide some more detailed replies to the OP shortly.
Cheers, Alan
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>Alan, please send me an e-mail for some additional commentary? What I sent to
>your alleged e-mail addy bounced. An anonymous forwarder will do, but not to
>this NG.
>Ken
>Alan wrote:
>> It's hard to answer without a little more info on the sorts of things
>> you are most interested in. I love wandering around in sleepy little
>> towns, or just sitting on a mountain lookout, or a ferry on the harbour.
>etc, etc.
Hi Ken
I'm a diabetic mate. So remove "weightandcarbs" to email:-)
I'll provide some more detailed replies to the OP shortly.
Cheers, Alan
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Oct 2nd 2004, 10:15 pm
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Re: Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:11:25 -0500, Bill
<wdd100(RemoveThisToReply)@hotmail.com> wrote:
>mack <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I am planning a trip to new Zealand and Australia in 2006 and have
>>> commenced detail planning prior to booking the Airline tickets.
>>> I am from Toronto Canada and am looking forward to my first trip down
>>> south. Period of travel for the part of the trip in question - Early
>>> March. We will have a rental car.
>>
>> Be aware of the problems some people have driving on the other side of
>> the road. If you haven't done it before, you won't know whether it's a
>> problem. Look up the postings on this group under the heading
>>
>> "Re: car rental - Australia and New Zealand "
>>
>> and the string "Gene Shoemaker"
>>
>> joe
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
>> jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
>> generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
>> Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!
>>
>Thanks Alan, Joe
>Allen, My interests are day walks (maybe on this part of the trip they
>may be only a few hours) where there is an objective, such as a good
>View, a waterfall, spectacular rocks eetc. along the way or at the end.
>We are not into shopping, museums (except those that are exceptional) or
>cities in general. Don't know if this helps
>Joe, I have driven in the Uk on several vacations. I figure If I can
>handle those narrow roads with stone walls for shoulders, I should be OK.
>That said I plan to not drive for the first couple of days (get over jet
>lag) and then really concentrate on the driving until the natura
>instincts re-allign themselves. Remember, Passenger in the ditch where
>ever you drive. It was really too bad about Shoemaker, a great
>astronomer.
>Thanks
Hi Bill
This is just musings; pick from it what you wish, ask questions and I'll
see if my ragged memory is up to it, or another local will probably
help.
How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
As background, I drove a cab in Melbourne for many years but left there
for the Tweed Coast five years ago, so I disagree with those who
disparage it; it's a great city, make sure you go to a show, eat Chinese
in Little Bourke Street or Italian in Lygon St Carlton, and try day
trips to Healesville Sanctuary or the Dandenongs. And on the ramblings
below, I've been to each town I mention and lots more in my annual
southern pilgrimage. But some are only sketchy in the memory, and some
are vivid.
From Melbourne - to the great Ocean Road - either via Geelong and
Torquay, or via the Mornington and Bellarine Peninsulas, using the
Sorrento-Queenscliff Ferry.
The GOR - drive the road, check with the NPWS for best walks, I
recommend the Otway NP near Apollo Bay.
Continue via Warrnambool; scenic views en-route including the 12 (I
think there are actually only 9:-) Apostles.
Warrnambool-Penshurst-Dunkeld to the Grampians, there is a very
interesting volcanic lake at Tower Hill near Koroit, near Warrnambool
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1park_display.cfm. Contact Parks Victoria
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/ for info on the Grampians or any other
Vic NP. Have a look at the other parks via their excellent links.
After the Grampians, a choice. Either east via Ararat and Beaufort to
Ballarat and the goldfields districts (Ballarat/Bendigo/St Arnaud and
the towns in that triangle). Lots of local history, Eureka Stockade,
etc. I like the little local museums in tiny little buildings in places
like Dunolly. Or North and then East to the Murray country -
Echuca/Moama and wander around the wine districts as you go up-river
through Rutherglen (I like visiting the wineries). Or some combination
of those depending on time.
If you have the time I'd get to Port Macquarie via Wagga, Cootamundra,
Young, Cowra, Bathurst, Lithgow and into Sydney via the Blue Mountains.
All different towns and cities, all with slightly different places in
our history, different scenery. Check out the Murrumbidgee beach in
Wagga, the zig-zag railway at Lithgow, the walks and scenes in the Blue
Mountains (allow extra time there).
Personally, I'd spend a few days at this stage in Sydney, but you're
coming back there later. It's difficult to avoid going through Sydney,
but you can skirt the fringes via Wiseman's Ferry, down the Hawkesbury
via Mangrove mountain to Gosford or Wyong. Newcastle used to be a grimy
coal town, it's gradually changing into an interesting tourist city, but
bypass it if you've had enough cities and head for Nelson's Bay. If
you've seen enough seasides by now, then go to Cessnock instead - also
an old coal town but now the hub of the Hunter Valley Wine District.
Another place to keep in mind en-route to Port MacQuarie is
Forster/Tuncurry (a beautiful spot at the entrance to Wallis Lake). Go
the back way after Bulahdelah via Pacific Palms. If you've still got
time on the way to Port, take a drive up the coast road via Laurieton,
or into the hills to see the timber town of Wauchope.
Enjoy yourself.
Cheers, Alan
--
<wdd100(RemoveThisToReply)@hotmail.com> wrote:
>mack <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I am planning a trip to new Zealand and Australia in 2006 and have
>>> commenced detail planning prior to booking the Airline tickets.
>>> I am from Toronto Canada and am looking forward to my first trip down
>>> south. Period of travel for the part of the trip in question - Early
>>> March. We will have a rental car.
>>
>> Be aware of the problems some people have driving on the other side of
>> the road. If you haven't done it before, you won't know whether it's a
>> problem. Look up the postings on this group under the heading
>>
>> "Re: car rental - Australia and New Zealand "
>>
>> and the string "Gene Shoemaker"
>>
>> joe
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
>> jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
>> generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
>> Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!
>>
>Thanks Alan, Joe
>Allen, My interests are day walks (maybe on this part of the trip they
>may be only a few hours) where there is an objective, such as a good
>View, a waterfall, spectacular rocks eetc. along the way or at the end.
>We are not into shopping, museums (except those that are exceptional) or
>cities in general. Don't know if this helps
>Joe, I have driven in the Uk on several vacations. I figure If I can
>handle those narrow roads with stone walls for shoulders, I should be OK.
>That said I plan to not drive for the first couple of days (get over jet
>lag) and then really concentrate on the driving until the natura
>instincts re-allign themselves. Remember, Passenger in the ditch where
>ever you drive. It was really too bad about Shoemaker, a great
>astronomer.
>Thanks
Hi Bill
This is just musings; pick from it what you wish, ask questions and I'll
see if my ragged memory is up to it, or another local will probably
help.
How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
As background, I drove a cab in Melbourne for many years but left there
for the Tweed Coast five years ago, so I disagree with those who
disparage it; it's a great city, make sure you go to a show, eat Chinese
in Little Bourke Street or Italian in Lygon St Carlton, and try day
trips to Healesville Sanctuary or the Dandenongs. And on the ramblings
below, I've been to each town I mention and lots more in my annual
southern pilgrimage. But some are only sketchy in the memory, and some
are vivid.
From Melbourne - to the great Ocean Road - either via Geelong and
Torquay, or via the Mornington and Bellarine Peninsulas, using the
Sorrento-Queenscliff Ferry.
The GOR - drive the road, check with the NPWS for best walks, I
recommend the Otway NP near Apollo Bay.
Continue via Warrnambool; scenic views en-route including the 12 (I
think there are actually only 9:-) Apostles.
Warrnambool-Penshurst-Dunkeld to the Grampians, there is a very
interesting volcanic lake at Tower Hill near Koroit, near Warrnambool
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1park_display.cfm. Contact Parks Victoria
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/ for info on the Grampians or any other
Vic NP. Have a look at the other parks via their excellent links.
After the Grampians, a choice. Either east via Ararat and Beaufort to
Ballarat and the goldfields districts (Ballarat/Bendigo/St Arnaud and
the towns in that triangle). Lots of local history, Eureka Stockade,
etc. I like the little local museums in tiny little buildings in places
like Dunolly. Or North and then East to the Murray country -
Echuca/Moama and wander around the wine districts as you go up-river
through Rutherglen (I like visiting the wineries). Or some combination
of those depending on time.
If you have the time I'd get to Port Macquarie via Wagga, Cootamundra,
Young, Cowra, Bathurst, Lithgow and into Sydney via the Blue Mountains.
All different towns and cities, all with slightly different places in
our history, different scenery. Check out the Murrumbidgee beach in
Wagga, the zig-zag railway at Lithgow, the walks and scenes in the Blue
Mountains (allow extra time there).
Personally, I'd spend a few days at this stage in Sydney, but you're
coming back there later. It's difficult to avoid going through Sydney,
but you can skirt the fringes via Wiseman's Ferry, down the Hawkesbury
via Mangrove mountain to Gosford or Wyong. Newcastle used to be a grimy
coal town, it's gradually changing into an interesting tourist city, but
bypass it if you've had enough cities and head for Nelson's Bay. If
you've seen enough seasides by now, then go to Cessnock instead - also
an old coal town but now the hub of the Hunter Valley Wine District.
Another place to keep in mind en-route to Port MacQuarie is
Forster/Tuncurry (a beautiful spot at the entrance to Wallis Lake). Go
the back way after Bulahdelah via Pacific Palms. If you've still got
time on the way to Port, take a drive up the coast road via Laurieton,
or into the hills to see the timber town of Wauchope.
Enjoy yourself.
Cheers, Alan
--
Oct 2nd 2004, 10:21 pm
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Re: Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:15:15 +1000, Alan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
>Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
>Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
Oops - even Melbourne ex-cabbies don't drive quite that fast - that
should read "two days" :-)
Cheers, Alan
--
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
>Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
>Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
Oops - even Melbourne ex-cabbies don't drive quite that fast - that
should read "two days" :-)
Cheers, Alan
--
Oct 3rd 2004, 12:55 am
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Re: Oz - Sydney - Melbourne
Alan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:15:15 +1000, Alan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
>>Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
>>Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
>
> Oops - even Melbourne ex-cabbies don't drive quite that fast - that
> should read "two days" :-)
>
>
> Cheers, Alan
Once again thanks for your replies, Joe, Alan. The information on Sydney
will be very useful and Alan your notes open up a good route back from
The Grampians. In my tenative plans, I had thought of taking the Newell
Highway north from Cobram after spending a day or so in Echuca. I thought
that I would go North through Narrandera, Forbes, Parkes, Dubbo, and at
Gilgandra, switch to the Oxley Highway which takes me right out to the
Coast at Port Macquarie (going through Coonabarabran, Tamworth, Walcha).
The rational for this route is that this is probably not a busy route,
can make reasonable time and it avoids the Sydney Region. I think it
would take me three days from Cobram with stops at Forbes/Parkes and
Tamworth with distances of around 500Km per day, except the last
(Tamworth to the coast) of 300Km.
With respect to the Coast from Port Macquarie to Wyong and then to
Katoomba (blue Mountains) I have allocated 4 days, the first a leasurely
drive to around Wyong, all the coastal roads, two days at Katoomba and
then into Sydney. Thus the thought to take the Newell/Oxley route. It
also provides an opportunity to see some of the interior (not outback).
Your thoughts on this route would be appreciated.
news:[email protected]:
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:15:15 +1000, Alan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>How long you stay or take from A to B is up to you. I have driven from
>>Pottsville (the same distance north of Sydney as Melbourne is South) to
>>Melbourne in a day, and I have also taken six weeks.
>
> Oops - even Melbourne ex-cabbies don't drive quite that fast - that
> should read "two days" :-)
>
>
> Cheers, Alan
Once again thanks for your replies, Joe, Alan. The information on Sydney
will be very useful and Alan your notes open up a good route back from
The Grampians. In my tenative plans, I had thought of taking the Newell
Highway north from Cobram after spending a day or so in Echuca. I thought
that I would go North through Narrandera, Forbes, Parkes, Dubbo, and at
Gilgandra, switch to the Oxley Highway which takes me right out to the
Coast at Port Macquarie (going through Coonabarabran, Tamworth, Walcha).
The rational for this route is that this is probably not a busy route,
can make reasonable time and it avoids the Sydney Region. I think it
would take me three days from Cobram with stops at Forbes/Parkes and
Tamworth with distances of around 500Km per day, except the last
(Tamworth to the coast) of 300Km.
With respect to the Coast from Port Macquarie to Wyong and then to
Katoomba (blue Mountains) I have allocated 4 days, the first a leasurely
drive to around Wyong, all the coastal roads, two days at Katoomba and
then into Sydney. Thus the thought to take the Newell/Oxley route. It
also provides an opportunity to see some of the interior (not outback).
Your thoughts on this route would be appreciated.
