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Old Oct 20th 2004, 10:21 pm
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Larry Kingman
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Hello to all on the group. I've some questions which have probably been
asked before, and thoroughly covered, but are not in current comments.
I hope you can bear with me on these.

I'd like to move from the US (state of Arizona, Mojave desert) to
Australia. I find nothing really useful in guidebooks or on websites
which would help a person who just wants to live, not "holiday." Of
course, this is natural, and quite proper, since these sources are
commercially driven.

I don't have a clear sense as to location, but have a few ideas on what
I'm looking for which should help:

A kind of "one horse town," an escape from "modernity."
Drier climate, not very affected by seasonal rains.
South or east on the continent; this necessitated by requirement to
leave the country every 90 days to maintain tourist visa.
In a category of expense which could be afforded by the average
Australian working class person.

Aside from the above, and simply to get an idea of a recurrent expense,
can someone tell me what the "average" flight fare would be from, say,
Sydney to NZ? My experience with Qantas suggests contacting a travel
agent for alternates in cost. This information is unavailable in my own
one-horse town.

I'm a retired person (librarian and aircraft manufacturer's techrep)
who's lived in several near eastern and oriental countries and Africa,
so I do know something of what the world's like off the Mojave desert.
I havn't just fallen in love with Walkabout Creek.

I'd very much like to get some information from knowledgeable people and
potential neighbors.

Thanks. Larry
 
Old Oct 20th 2004, 11:12 pm
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Peter
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In article <[email protected]>, Larry
Kingman says...

    > I don't have a clear sense as to location, but have a few ideas on what
    > I'm looking for which should help:
    >
    > A kind of "one horse town," an escape from "modernity."
    > Drier climate, not very affected by seasonal rains.

Plenty of those in central western New South Wales. The level of dryness
is a function of the distance form the coast, but there must be dozens
of small towns within a few hours drive of Dubbo. Dunedoo springs to
mind, or Quambone.

    > South or east on the continent; this necessitated by requirement to
    > leave the country every 90 days to maintain tourist visa.

Dubbo is a pleasant day's drive from Sydney.

    > In a category of expense which could be afforded by the average
    > Australian working class person.

Cheap as chips out there.

    > Aside from the above, and simply to get an idea of a recurrent expense,
    > can someone tell me what the "average" flight fare would be from, say,
    > Sydney to NZ? My experience with Qantas suggests contacting a travel
    > agent for alternates in cost. This information is unavailable in my own
    > one-horse town.

Flight Centre has specials every now and then, but you can generally
find return flights Sydney-Auckland or Sydney-Christchurch for well
under $AUS400. Often there's a package deal involved - for a few dollars
more you get car hire or a couple of night's accommodation in NZ.
    >
    > I'm a retired person (librarian and aircraft manufacturer's techrep)
    > who's lived in several near eastern and oriental countries and Africa,
    > so I do know something of what the world's like off the Mojave desert.
    > I havn't just fallen in love with Walkabout Creek.
    >
    > I'd very much like to get some information from knowledgeable people and
    > potential neighbors.

Well I live in Canberra, which isn't really a one-horse town. But there
are plenty around here. Boorowa is the place I think of for the
archetypical small country town, or Stockinbingal if you want to go
further downscale. Heaps of places to choose from. Of course, you could
go further north if you like heat. Queensland is full of small towns
that are fairly dry. Roma or Miles or Chinchilla. Places like that or
the communities nearby.

Maybe South Australia if you like dry without getting too deep into the
outback, but it's a bit of a hike to Sydney from there.
 
Old Oct 20th 2004, 11:21 pm
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A Mate
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Larry - you need to check out the DIMIA site:
http://www.immi.gov.au/

It's not easy to immigrate to Australia, unless you have skills we need, or
a great deal of money to invest in the country. The web site explains all.

Good Luck!!

"Larry Kingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello to all on the group. I've some questions which have probably been
    > asked before, and thoroughly covered, but are not in current comments.
    > I hope you can bear with me on these.
    > I'd like to move from the US (state of Arizona, Mojave desert) to
    > Australia. I find nothing really useful in guidebooks or on websites
    > which would help a person who just wants to live, not "holiday." Of
    > course, this is natural, and quite proper, since these sources are
    > commercially driven.
    > I don't have a clear sense as to location, but have a few ideas on what
    > I'm looking for which should help:
    > A kind of "one horse town," an escape from "modernity."
    > Drier climate, not very affected by seasonal rains.
    > South or east on the continent; this necessitated by requirement to
    > leave the country every 90 days to maintain tourist visa.
    > In a category of expense which could be afforded by the average
    > Australian working class person.
    > Aside from the above, and simply to get an idea of a recurrent expense,
    > can someone tell me what the "average" flight fare would be from, say,
    > Sydney to NZ? My experience with Qantas suggests contacting a travel
    > agent for alternates in cost. This information is unavailable in my own
    > one-horse town.
    > I'm a retired person (librarian and aircraft manufacturer's techrep)
    > who's lived in several near eastern and oriental countries and Africa,
    > so I do know something of what the world's like off the Mojave desert.
    > I havn't just fallen in love with Walkabout Creek.
    > I'd very much like to get some information from knowledgeable people and
    > potential neighbors.
    > Thanks. Larry
    >
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 2:10 am
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Larry Kingman
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Hi Peter,

Thanks much for your informative reply to my query, Now I have some
information to take to the atlas as well as get info on the climate.
Especially nice was the "cheap as chips" remark: My kinda place.

I was in Perth two months ago because I thought that its environs would
offer an older, slower, pace of life. Not a bit of it. I thought I'd
sat in airplanes for a couple days and exited in Phoenix, Arizona (I
live in Arizona, but in a small town in the Mojave desert). The
environs themselves seemed all upscale subdivisions and SUVs

Anyway, as the AU consulate in Sfran explains to me, an exit-reentry
visa is issuable, but requires leaving the country each 90 days. It's a
long and expensive way from WA to any other country and the south and
east are clearly better on that score.

Thanks again for the info -- Larry Doyle
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 9:46 am
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Peter S
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Larry,
Sometimes some one horse towns try to encourage city slickers to move there
by offering free land. I don't know if you would be able to take up on any
of those offers on the basis of your visa requirements.
For climate info on particular towns go to www.bom.gov.au

Peter S

"Larry Kingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Peter,
    > Thanks much for your informative reply to my query, Now I have some
    > information to take to the atlas as well as get info on the climate.
    > Especially nice was the "cheap as chips" remark: My kinda place.
    > I was in Perth two months ago because I thought that its environs would
    > offer an older, slower, pace of life. Not a bit of it. I thought I'd
    > sat in airplanes for a couple days and exited in Phoenix, Arizona (I
    > live in Arizona, but in a small town in the Mojave desert). The
    > environs themselves seemed all upscale subdivisions and SUVs
    > Anyway, as the AU consulate in Sfran explains to me, an exit-reentry
    > visa is issuable, but requires leaving the country each 90 days. It's a
    > long and expensive way from WA to any other country and the south and
    > east are clearly better on that score.
    > Thanks again for the info -- Larry Doyle
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 11:05 am
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Alan
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:10:03 -0700, [email protected] (Larry
Kingman) wrote:

    >Hi Peter,
    >Thanks much for your informative reply to my query, Now I have some
    >information to take to the atlas as well as get info on the climate.
    >Especially nice was the "cheap as chips" remark: My kinda place.
    >I was in Perth two months ago because I thought that its environs would
    >offer an older, slower, pace of life. Not a bit of it. I thought I'd
    >sat in airplanes for a couple days and exited in Phoenix, Arizona (I
    >live in Arizona, but in a small town in the Mojave desert). The
    >environs themselves seemed all upscale subdivisions and SUVs
    > Anyway, as the AU consulate in Sfran explains to me, an exit-reentry
    >visa is issuable, but requires leaving the country each 90 days. It's a
    >long and expensive way from WA to any other country and the south and
    >east are clearly better on that score.
    >Thanks again for the info -- Larry Doyle

Larry, as you intend doing this as a repeat tourist, rather than an
immigrant (I'm not sure of the rules there, that's something you need to
check with the authorities) why don't you just come out, buy a cheap car
and a tent, and wander around the out-back, or even the
not-quite-so-far-outback for a month or three the first time.

I can think of a hundred little one-pub (not one-horse) towns like that,
some in the arid regions, many nearer the coastal cities. In my own
district on the Tweed coast there would be twenty within thirty minutes
of Gold Coast airport with cheap flights to NZ (Freedom Air).

Places like Mooball, Tumbulgum, Bilinudgel, Stokers Siding - etc etc. If
you're looking for arid, then you have to go further inland and also
further from international airports.

But come on out as a tourist, wander around, and find out all the rules
as well.




Cheers, Alan
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Old Oct 21st 2004, 11:17 am
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Peter
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In article <[email protected]>, Alan says...
    > Larry, as you intend doing this as a repeat tourist, rather than an
    > immigrant (I'm not sure of the rules there, that's something you need to
    > check with the authorities)

Does anyone know the answer? I know that there are places like Indonesia
where tourists duck out every so often to refresh their visa and they do
this on a permanent basis, but somehow I can't see this sort of caper
being smiled upon by the immigration folk here.
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 12:46 pm
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Alan
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:17:06 +1000, Peter <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Alan says...
    >> Larry, as you intend doing this as a repeat tourist, rather than an
    >> immigrant (I'm not sure of the rules there, that's something you need to
    >> check with the authorities)
    >Does anyone know the answer? I know that there are places like Indonesia
    >where tourists duck out every so often to refresh their visa and they do
    >this on a permanent basis, but somehow I can't see this sort of caper
    >being smiled upon by the immigration folk here.

Me either. That's why I was a bit reticent on it.


Cheers, Alan
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Old Oct 21st 2004, 10:54 pm
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Frank Slootweg
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Larry Kingman <[email protected]> wrote:
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    > South or east on the continent; this necessitated by requirement to
    > leave the country every 90 days to maintain tourist visa.
[deleted]
    > I'm a retired person (librarian and aircraft manufacturer's techrep)
[deleted]

Depending on your age, financial position, etc., you may want to look
into a Retirement Visa which is still temporary, not permanent,
residency, but is valid for 4 years and can be extended with 2-year
periods while staying in Australia.

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/temp_retire.htm
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 11:34 pm
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Peter Webb
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"Larry Kingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Peter,
    > Thanks much for your informative reply to my query, Now I have some
    > information to take to the atlas as well as get info on the climate.
    > Especially nice was the "cheap as chips" remark: My kinda place.
    > I was in Perth two months ago because I thought that its environs would
    > offer an older, slower, pace of life. Not a bit of it. I thought I'd
    > sat in airplanes for a couple days and exited in Phoenix, Arizona (I
    > live in Arizona, but in a small town in the Mojave desert). The
    > environs themselves seemed all upscale subdivisions and SUVs
    > Anyway, as the AU consulate in Sfran explains to me, an exit-reentry
    > visa is issuable, but requires leaving the country each 90 days. It's a
    > long and expensive way from WA to any other country and the south and
    > east are clearly better on that score.
    > Thanks again for the info -- Larry Doyle

This is the main reason I am confused.

Yes, as you say, Perth is similar in a way to Pheonix.

You live in a small country town in the desert in the USA. You want to move
to a small country town on the edge of the desert in Australia. Why?

I mean, I love Australia and all, but at the end of the day East Bum**** NSW
is not that different to West Bum**** AZ. It seems a lot of work for not a
whole lot of change ....
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 3:28 am
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Peter
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In article <[email protected]> , Peter Webb
says...
    > I mean, I love Australia and all, but at the end of the day East Bum**** NSW
    > is not that different to West Bum**** AZ

Hey, you ain't knocking Bum****ers, is you?

Pete, who has plenty friends in Upper Bum****, don't you worry 'bout
that!
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 10:52 pm
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Larry Kingman
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Sure, geographically would seem the same; must be the omnipresence of
redwhitenblue flags and decals here that gives me an eerie feeling and
desire for distance.
 
Old Oct 24th 2004, 6:18 am
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"Peter Webb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]. au>...
    > This is the main reason I am confused.
    >
    > Yes, as you say, Perth is similar in a way to Pheonix.
    >
    > You live in a small country town in the desert in the USA. You want to move
    > to a small country town on the edge of the desert in Australia. Why?

I'm also confused because you're pursing similar information about a
move to Africa in another newsgroup. If there's some data that would
definitively sway you towards one continent or another, why not ask
for it? And if it's simply "small town desert lacking excessive
displays of U.S. patriotism" that you seek, why not consider portions
of Asia or the Middle East as well?

Nancy
 
Old Oct 24th 2004, 7:47 am
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Maxi
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try irak?


"ncurtis" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected] om...
    > "Peter Webb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]. au>...
    >> This is the main reason I am confused.
    >> Yes, as you say, Perth is similar in a way to Pheonix.
    >> You live in a small country town in the desert in the USA. You want to
    >> move
    >> to a small country town on the edge of the desert in Australia. Why?
    > I'm also confused because you're pursing similar information about a
    > move to Africa in another newsgroup. If there's some data that would
    > definitively sway you towards one continent or another, why not ask
    > for it? And if it's simply "small town desert lacking excessive
    > displays of U.S. patriotism" that you seek, why not consider portions
    > of Asia or the Middle East as well?
    > Nancy
 
Old Oct 24th 2004, 7:36 pm
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Dave Campbell
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"maxi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > try irak?
I think the bit about "living a long while" rules that out ;-)

Dave Campbell
 


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