James Robinson

"tim" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > "James Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that
    >>> now all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not
    >>> carried on board.
    >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA.
    >> The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    >> originating in the UK.
    >
    > As of today this restriction has been removed.
    >
    > There will apparently be a few days whilst the airports
    > discourage it, but HMG have officially now allowed them again.

Actually, it becomes effective tomorrow (Tuesday AM) at Heathrow and
Gatwick, according to the BBC. The BAA has yet to update their web site:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4789593.stm

Lennart Petersen

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    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> Of course, you can make a dandy spark with a bit of nylon cloth or
    >> other staticy things.
    >> Jim P.
    > Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
    > flight. Their religion forbids drinking, and alcohol can prove quite
    > flammable. But will the airlines stop serving it?
    > Cori
----------------------
They'll ask polite about your religion and then make the decision if you're
allowed anything.
Besides Islam and the Koran allows at least wine: "wine is a gift from
Allah to be used with sense" are the words. Other words from the Koran
is that suicide is totally banned, same in the Jewish religion and in the
Christianity.
    >

Nicandal

[email protected] wrote:
    > Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
    > flight. Their religion forbids drinking, and alcohol can prove quite
    > flammable. But will the airlines stop serving it?
    > Cori

Heh heh. Cori, what would you like the airlines to do - really,
practically do - with this piece of "knowledge"? Islam does not require
its followers to carry an ID card, no more than do all those who say
they are Muslims shun all alcohol, no more can an airline reasonably
discriminate between who is allowed alcohol and who is not on any kind
of religious grounds for that would be them imposing their
interpretation of a religion upon their passengers. Would you like them
to stop serving pork to "Jewish types" too? If you find this ridiculous
then you don't understand.

I suspect the airlines don't serve alcohol in any quantity such that it
is particularly hazardous already. I doubt anyone gets the bottle left
with them.

al

Frank Slootweg

James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
    > > all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
    > > board.
    >
    > You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA. The
    > only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating in the
    > UK.

I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a picture of
(*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle of babyfood in
passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked, Denver was not in the
UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have TSA staff.).

[deleted]

James Robinson

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:

    > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that
    >> > now all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not
    >> > carried on board.
    >>
    >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA.
    >> The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    >> originating in the UK.
    >
    > I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a picture of
    > (*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle of babyfood in
    > passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked, Denver was not in
    > the UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have TSA staff.).

Baby food is not a camera, which was the subject at hand.

Up to yesterday, all liquids and pastes were prohibited in carry-on bags.
Today, some items are now permitted, including baby food.

Frank Slootweg

James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that
    > >> > now all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not
    > >> > carried on board.
    > >>
    > >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA.
    > >> The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    > >> originating in the UK.
    > >
    > > I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a picture of
    > > (*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle of babyfood in
    > > passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked, Denver was not in
    > > the UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have TSA staff.).
    >
    > Baby food is not a camera, which was the subject at hand.

I realize(d) that. My point is that it was at least implied that only
flight originating in the UK had/have restrictions. That's clearly not
the case. Also I don't see why a camera would be treated differently
than the other electronic items which *were/are* banned. So I think it's
safe to assume that, at least for some time, cameras were banned also on
flights which did not originate in the UK.

    > Up to yesterday, all liquids and pastes were prohibited in carry-on bags.
    > Today, some items are now permitted, including baby food.

James Robinson

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the
    >> >> USA. The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    >> >> originating in the UK.
    >> >
    >> > I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a picture
    >> > of (*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle of
    >> > babyfood in passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked,
    >> > Denver was not in the UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have
    >> > TSA staff.).
    >>
    >> Baby food is not a camera, which was the subject at hand.
    >
    > I realize(d) that. My point is that it was at least implied that
    > only flight originating in the UK had/have restrictions. That's
    > clearly not the case. Also I don't see why a camera would be treated
    > differently than the other electronic items which *were/are* banned.
    > So I think it's safe to assume that, at least for some time, cameras
    > were banned also on flights which did not originate in the UK.

Electronic items were not banned in carry-on bags in the US, nor are they
now banned. The only restrictions were on liquids/gels/pastes. You
could carry your cell phone, laptop, PDA, camera, etc. aboard in your
carry-on bags.

The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on item
was banned, up to today. That included electronic items, liquids, and
cameras, among many other things. Today, they are allowing one small
carry-on, which can contain such things as a laptop, camera, or film, but
still no liquids. They still prohibit carrying on a cell phone. Phones
have to be in checked baggage.

Neil Williams

James Robinson wrote:

    > The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on item
    > was banned, up to today. That included electronic items, liquids, and
    > cameras, among many other things. Today, they are allowing one small
    > carry-on, which can contain such things as a laptop, camera, or film, but
    > still no liquids. They still prohibit carrying on a cell phone. Phones
    > have to be in checked baggage.

Mine wasn't today (from LCY), I carried it on. Nice there's a bit of
consistency.

Neil

Wilf

Neil Williams wrote:
    > James Robinson wrote:
    >
    >> The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on item
    >> was banned, up to today. That included electronic items, liquids, and
    >> cameras, among many other things. Today, they are allowing one small
    >> carry-on, which can contain such things as a laptop, camera, or film, but
    >> still no liquids. They still prohibit carrying on a cell phone. Phones
    >> have to be in checked baggage.
    >
    > Mine wasn't today (from LCY), I carried it on. Nice there's a bit of
    > consistency.
    >
    > Neil
    >
BBC report at lunchtime today said mobile phones *were* now allowed,
along with laptops and other electronic equipment. All such equipment
was likely to be separately scanned.

--
Wilf

James Robinson

Wilf <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Neil Williams wrote:
    >> James Robinson wrote:
    >>
    >>> The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on
    >>> item was banned, up to today. That included electronic items,
    >>> liquids, and cameras, among many other things. Today, they are
    >>> allowing one small carry-on, which can contain such things as a
    >>> laptop, camera, or film, but still no liquids. They still prohibit
    >>> carrying on a cell phone. Phones have to be in checked baggage.
    >>
    >> Mine wasn't today (from LCY), I carried it on. Nice there's a bit of
    >> consistency.
    >>
    >> Neil
    >>
    > BBC report at lunchtime today said mobile phones *were* now allowed,
    > along with laptops and other electronic equipment. All such equipment
    > was likely to be separately scanned.

Obviously, things have not yet settled down. The BAA web site for Heathrow
still says that mobile phones have to be checked, and cannot be carried
aboard. The web site for LCY just says that mobile phones have to be
removed from your carry-on bag, and be scanned separately.

James Robinson

James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Wilf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Neil Williams wrote:
    >>> James Robinson wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on
    >>>> item was banned, up to today. That included electronic items,
    >>>> liquids, and cameras, among many other things. Today, they are
    >>>> allowing one small carry-on, which can contain such things as a
    >>>> laptop, camera, or film, but still no liquids. They still prohibit
    >>>> carrying on a cell phone. Phones have to be in checked baggage.
    >>>
    >>> Mine wasn't today (from LCY), I carried it on. Nice there's a bit
    >>> of consistency.
    >>>
    >>> Neil
    >>>
    >> BBC report at lunchtime today said mobile phones *were* now allowed,
    >> along with laptops and other electronic equipment. All such
    >> equipment was likely to be separately scanned.
    >
    > Obviously, things have not yet settled down. The BAA web site for
    > Heathrow still says that mobile phones have to be checked, and cannot
    > be carried aboard. The web site for LCY just says that mobile phones
    > have to be removed from your carry-on bag, and be scanned separately.

Just after I sent that, I was looking at the Heathrow web site, and it
has now been updated to mention that mobile phones are OK. In addition,
they have another new set of rules taking effect tomorrow:

http://tinyurl.com/f93tb

Seeing how changeable the situation is, that link probably won't work
after 10 minutes, so here is a copy of the pertinent parts of the new
rules:

===========================================
Hand baggage restrictions (applies today, 14 August)
Passengers are restricted from carrying hand baggage into the cabin of an
aircraft. However, we will allow passengers to come to security with
unrestricted items in a clear plastic bag. We will also now permit
additional items such as mobile phones and car keys.

* Pocket size wallets and pocket size purses plus contents (for
example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags))
* Travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports
and travel tickets)
* Prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential
for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified
as authentic
* Spectacles and sunglasses, without cases
* Contact lens holders, without bottles of solution
* For those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents
of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger)
* Sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies,
wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags).
female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if
unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes)
* Tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
* Keys
* Mobile phones
* Any food purchased in the international departures lounge must be
consumed before boarding
* Pushchairs and walking aids must be x-ray screened, and only
airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point.

----------------------------------------------------

New hand baggage guidelines (applies tomorrow, 15 August)

Strictly one item of cabin baggage per passenger, no bigger than the size
of a laptop of small rucksack - 35cm (13.5 inches) wide x 45cm (17.5
inches) long x 16cm (6.5 inches) high.

The bag must NOT contain:
- Any liquids, cosmetics or toiletries, including gels, pastes, lotions,
liquid/solid mixtures, perfumes and the contents of pressurised
containers - these must be checked in as hold baggage
- Cigarette lighters are NOT permitted in hold baggage or through the
security search. These may be purchased airside.

The bag CAN include:
- Electronic equipment including mobile phones, digital cameras and MP3
players (such as i-Pods)
- Prescription medicines in liquid form, eg diabetic kit
- Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle MUST be
tasted by the accompanying passenger)
- Laptops must be removed from the bag for x-ray.

All remaining items in pockets should be placed in the clear plastic bag
provided, eg car keys and fobs, cash, solid food, books, newspapers,
cigarettes and tobacco. Pushchairs and walking aids are permitted but
must be x-ray screened. All wheelchairs will be subject to search. Please
note: You may be subject to a hand search by the security team and
required to remove footwear to be x-ray screened.

Once in the departure lounge passengers may purchase any item in any
store and take it onto the aircraft as normal unless you are travelling
to the USA.

Travelling to the USA?
Today � Monday 14 August:
Extra restrictions are in place � you WILL NOT be permitted to take any
liquid or gel items purchased in the departures lounge into the aircraft
cabin. All food or beverage items must be consumed before boarding.

Tomorrow � Tuesday 15 August:
Cabin baggage which adheres to the new regulations will be permitted on
board. However, extra restrictions remain in place and you WILL NOT be
permitted to take any liquid or gel items purchased in the departures
lounge into the aircraft cabin. All food or beverage items must be
consumed before boarding.

Hand baggage:
Permitted hand baggage size as from Tuesday 15 August:
45cm X 35cm X 16 cm

17.5 inches X 13.5 inches x 6 inches

Old permitted hand baggage size:
56cm X 45cm X 25cm

22 inches X 17.5 inches X 9.5 inches

[email protected]

Are wrist watches prohibited? Or would mechanical watches be allowed,
but electronic watches forbidden?

Are all writing implements with fliud ink forbidden? Would it be
sufficient to emty the ink from a fountain pen? How would you remove
the ink from a ball point pen, a roller ball pen, or a felt tip marker?

None of these are explicitly listed on the lists of permitted or
prohibited itmes.

Frank Slootweg

James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the
    > >> >> USA. The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    > >> >> originating in the UK.
    > >> >
    > >> > I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a picture
    > >> > of (*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle of
    > >> > babyfood in passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked,
    > >> > Denver was not in the UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have
    > >> > TSA staff.).
    > >>
    > >> Baby food is not a camera, which was the subject at hand.
    > >
    > > I realize(d) that. My point is that it was at least implied that
    > > only flight originating in the UK had/have restrictions. That's
    > > clearly not the case. Also I don't see why a camera would be treated
    > > differently than the other electronic items which *were/are* banned.
    > > So I think it's safe to assume that, at least for some time, cameras
    > > were banned also on flights which did not originate in the UK.
    >
    > Electronic items were not banned in carry-on bags in the US, nor are they
    > now banned. The only restrictions were on liquids/gels/pastes. You
    > could carry your cell phone, laptop, PDA, camera, etc. aboard in your
    > carry-on bags.

I was not talking about "in the US". I was and am objecting to your
"The only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating
in the UK.". That was just plain wrong, both for baby food and cameras.
Example of the latter: Passenger had to check in camera on flight from
Perth, Australia, via Singapore, to London. Yes the *onward* flight was
from London (to Amsterdam), i.e. "originating in the UK", but with a
*different* airline and the camera had already to be checked in in
Perth.

    > The UK was the most restrictive, in that pretty well every carry-on item
    > was banned, up to today. That included electronic items, liquids, and
    > cameras, among many other things. Today, they are allowing one small
    > carry-on, which can contain such things as a laptop, camera, or film, but
    > still no liquids. They still prohibit carrying on a cell phone. Phones
    > have to be in checked baggage.

James Robinson

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:

    > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Frank Slootweg <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > James Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in
    >> >> >> the USA. The only place in the world that restricts you are
    >> >> >> flights originating in the UK.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I think you are mistaken. Our (August 12) newspaper had a
    >> >> > picture of (*TSA*) guards at Denver airport disallowing a bottle
    >> >> > of babyfood in passenger's carryon luggage. Last time I checked,
    >> >> > Denver was not in the UK (Well, at least the UK one doesn't have
    >> >> > TSA staff.).
    >> >>
    >> >> Baby food is not a camera, which was the subject at hand.
    >> >
    >> > I realize(d) that. My point is that it was at least implied that
    >> > only flight originating in the UK had/have restrictions. That's
    >> > clearly not the case. Also I don't see why a camera would be
    >> > treated differently than the other electronic items which
    >> > *were/are* banned. So I think it's safe to assume that, at least
    >> > for some time, cameras were banned also on flights which did not
    >> > originate in the UK.
    >>
    >> Electronic items were not banned in carry-on bags in the US, nor are
    >> they now banned. The only restrictions were on liquids/gels/pastes.
    >> You could carry your cell phone, laptop, PDA, camera, etc. aboard in
    >> your carry-on bags.
    >
    > I was not talking about "in the US". I was and am objecting to your
    > "The only place in the world that restricts you are flights
    > originating in the UK.". That was just plain wrong, both for baby food
    > and cameras. Example of the latter: Passenger had to check in camera
    > on flight from Perth, Australia, via Singapore, to London. Yes the
    > *onward* flight was from London (to Amsterdam), i.e. "originating in
    > the UK", but with a *different* airline and the camera had already to
    > be checked in in Perth.

You have a strange way of pointing that out.

The original poster said that you couldn't carry cameras on board,
implying that it applied everywhere in the world. I pointed out that the
only place that restricted the carriage of cameras in carry-on bags was
the UK. You then brought up baby food in Denver, (assuming that the baby
hadn't brought it up first) which was clearly a non-sequitor.

You then mention that electronic equipment was banned, implying that such
equipment was banned everywhere. I then pointed out that the ban only
applied to flights originating in the UK, and used the US as an example,
which has no general ban on electronic equipment. (Many people at the
time this was posted thought they couldn't carry laptops aboard, even in
the US.)

Now you are saying that the ban applied to people who would be connecting
in the UK, which had nothing to do with baby food in Denver, and
certainly wasn't a general ban. It involved a route that would have the
passenger connecting in the UK, which does have the ban.

So what this all boils down to, is that at the time of the original
posting, cameras couldn't be carried aboard flights originating in the
UK. By extension, that included flights in other countries where the
passenger would be connecting to a flight originating in the UK. Cameras
were not a problem on other flights outside of the UK.

All of this is now moot, in that the UK permits a small carry-on tote
bag, and as long as your camera will fit in the bag, you can carry it
aboard.

Sharkbait999

Yes, battery powered wrist watches make them electrical as defined by other
posters, so they would be prohibited as well. Even if you take the battery
out of the watch, it probably has a capacitor in it with a charge capable of
detonating a nuclear bomb. Don't fret, on those long international runs,
the flight attendants will be selling duty free mechanical watches. Now, I
wonder about those hearing aids? Who said the airlines were going to go
broke over this paranoia? This is getting better than Girls Gone Wild!

rg

P.S. Like shampoo, why do you need a watch on the flight? The only thing
that matters is that you get there.





<[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Are wrist watches prohibited? Or would mechanical watches be allowed,
    > but electronic watches forbidden?
    > Are all writing implements with fliud ink forbidden? Would it be
    > sufficient to emty the ink from a fountain pen? How would you remove
    > the ink from a ball point pen, a roller ball pen, or a felt tip marker?
    > None of these are explicitly listed on the lists of permitted or
    > prohibited itmes.
    >