Film Cameras in Checked Luggage
Aug 13th 2006, 4:26 am
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Film Cameras in Checked Luggage
If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
for checked luggage will fry all your film.
Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
Larry in Berkeley, California
all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
for checked luggage will fry all your film.
Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
Larry in Berkeley, California
Aug 13th 2006, 4:56 am
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Re: Film Cameras in Checked Luggage
"Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA. The
only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating in the
UK.
> It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
> containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
> for checked luggage will fry all your film.
> Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
Lead pouches are not thick enough to protect your film from the x-ray
machines used to inspect checked baggage. They can use much higher levels
of x-rays than the machines used to inspect carry-on bags.
One of the bag manufacturers (Domke) did a test, and concluded that a lead
bag that was thick enough to provide protection for film in checked baggage
would too heavy to be practical for passengers to carry.
> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA. The
only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating in the
UK.
> It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
> containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
> for checked luggage will fry all your film.
> Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
Lead pouches are not thick enough to protect your film from the x-ray
machines used to inspect checked baggage. They can use much higher levels
of x-rays than the machines used to inspect carry-on bags.
One of the bag manufacturers (Domke) did a test, and concluded that a lead
bag that was thick enough to provide protection for film in checked baggage
would too heavy to be practical for passengers to carry.
Aug 13th 2006, 5:01 am
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Larry wrote:
> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
I think your blanket statement is not founded on fact, For example, the AA
website places a restriction on electronic devices carried on only on UK to
US flights - nowhere else. What airlines support your claim. Further, I
would further add that a "film" camera is no more an electronic device than
a wallet once you remove the batteries.
rg
> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
I think your blanket statement is not founded on fact, For example, the AA
website places a restriction on electronic devices carried on only on UK to
US flights - nowhere else. What airlines support your claim. Further, I
would further add that a "film" camera is no more an electronic device than
a wallet once you remove the batteries.
rg
Aug 13th 2006, 8:15 am
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Re: Film Cameras in Checked Luggage
On 13 Aug 2006 09:26:48 -0700, "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
>containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
>for checked luggage will fry all your film.
WHY don't you have your film hand inspected?
I have always carried film in a clear plastic bag - the ONLY items
that were ever checked were the black plastic containers - I now
ensure I never use these.
>Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
>On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
>a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>Larry in Berkeley, California
For travellers in the US, check out the TSA's website.
Most of the banned items refer only to flights to/from the UK.
However, check your airline's website and call their 1-800 number if
you have any queries.
I got an update this morning:
Laptops, cell phones and other electronic items
Question
Media have also reported that laptops, cell phones and electronic
items are no longer allowed. Is that true?
Answer
No. TSA continues to allow laptop computers, cell phones and other
electronic items as carry-on items.
FOR FILM:
http://www.tsa.gov/summer/film.htm
Are you considering the purchase of a lead-lined bag to protect your
film? Lead-lined bags are not the best option, unless you will be
traveling internationally. The lead bag will have to be hand-inspected
for all domestic flights so it won�t save your film or your time.
Again, if you have concerns about the impact of X-ray machines on
undeveloped film, request a hand-inspection.
wrote:
>If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
>containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
>for checked luggage will fry all your film.
WHY don't you have your film hand inspected?
I have always carried film in a clear plastic bag - the ONLY items
that were ever checked were the black plastic containers - I now
ensure I never use these.
>Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
>On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
>a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>Larry in Berkeley, California
For travellers in the US, check out the TSA's website.
Most of the banned items refer only to flights to/from the UK.
However, check your airline's website and call their 1-800 number if
you have any queries.
I got an update this morning:
Laptops, cell phones and other electronic items
Question
Media have also reported that laptops, cell phones and electronic
items are no longer allowed. Is that true?
Answer
No. TSA continues to allow laptop computers, cell phones and other
electronic items as carry-on items.
FOR FILM:
http://www.tsa.gov/summer/film.htm
Are you considering the purchase of a lead-lined bag to protect your
film? Lead-lined bags are not the best option, unless you will be
traveling internationally. The lead bag will have to be hand-inspected
for all domestic flights so it won�t save your film or your time.
Again, if you have concerns about the impact of X-ray machines on
undeveloped film, request a hand-inspection.
Aug 13th 2006, 9:49 am
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Larry in Berkeley wrote:
>
> On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
Are you sure it was the x-rays, not the temperatures in the
hold? (I know it's cold, once aloft, but I've had the same
experience with instant coffee I carried in my car, after a
few rest stops in the hot summer sun, with the car closed
and locked.)
>
> On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
Are you sure it was the x-rays, not the temperatures in the
hold? (I know it's cold, once aloft, but I've had the same
experience with instant coffee I carried in my car, after a
few rest stops in the hot summer sun, with the car closed
and locked.)
Aug 13th 2006, 9:53 am
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"Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
I don't think this is true.
miguel
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> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
> board.
I don't think this is true.
miguel
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Aug 13th 2006, 11:13 am
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Ken wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2006 09:26:48 -0700, "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> >a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> >that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
> >
> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
I do not know of any other source of energy that would melt the coffee
without any damage or disturbance to anything else (even the soft
candy) in the suitcase. I assume there was some interaction with the
metal spoon causing it to overheat. Such high temperatures are highly
unlikely in the baggage compartment aloft and there was not such high
temperature on land before or after.
Thanks to all who corrected my understanding about carryon of cameras.
Yes, hand checking of film is a good idea if you are allowed to carry
it on.
News annoucements just after the incident said only passport and wallet
were allowed carryon and they had to be in a plastic bag, nothing said
about that only being from the UK. Maybe just sloppy reporting or that
was a temporary rule.
Larry in Berkeley
> On 13 Aug 2006 09:26:48 -0700, "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> >a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> >that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
> >
> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
I do not know of any other source of energy that would melt the coffee
without any damage or disturbance to anything else (even the soft
candy) in the suitcase. I assume there was some interaction with the
metal spoon causing it to overheat. Such high temperatures are highly
unlikely in the baggage compartment aloft and there was not such high
temperature on land before or after.
Thanks to all who corrected my understanding about carryon of cameras.
Yes, hand checking of film is a good idea if you are allowed to carry
it on.
News annoucements just after the incident said only passport and wallet
were allowed carryon and they had to be in a plastic bag, nothing said
about that only being from the UK. Maybe just sloppy reporting or that
was a temporary rule.
Larry in Berkeley
Aug 13th 2006, 12:07 pm
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>>> On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
>>> a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>>> that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
> I do not know of any other source of energy that would melt the coffee
> without any damage or disturbance to anything else (even the soft
> candy) in the suitcase. I assume there was some interaction with the
> metal spoon causing it to overheat.
That sounds more like what an induction loop detector might do (it's
basically a low-power microwave oven).
> Yes, hand checking of film is a good idea if you are allowed to carry
> it on.
You can't get anything hand checked at UK airports. The only way to
get film through (before the present panic) was to hand-spool 35mm
into your own plastic cassettes, or use 120 film and remove the foil
wrappers. That way you can stuff your pockets and not set off the
induction loop detectors.
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>>> a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>>> that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
> I do not know of any other source of energy that would melt the coffee
> without any damage or disturbance to anything else (even the soft
> candy) in the suitcase. I assume there was some interaction with the
> metal spoon causing it to overheat.
That sounds more like what an induction loop detector might do (it's
basically a low-power microwave oven).
> Yes, hand checking of film is a good idea if you are allowed to carry
> it on.
You can't get anything hand checked at UK airports. The only way to
get film through (before the present panic) was to hand-spool 35mm
into your own plastic cassettes, or use 120 film and remove the foil
wrappers. That way you can stuff your pockets and not set off the
induction loop detectors.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
Aug 13th 2006, 4:43 pm
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"Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> News annoucements just after the incident said only passport and wallet
> were allowed carryon and they had to be in a plastic bag, nothing said
> about that only being from the UK. Maybe just sloppy reporting or that
> was a temporary rule.
> Larry in Berkeley
I have read this message from rec.travel.asia.
My wife is travelling from Perth (Australia) to Amsterdam this week so I
checked with the airline this morning. They advised me that unless she was
travelling via the UK (which she isn't) the rules about carryon luggage were
NOT changed from before the emergency. Mind you the security will be
heightened.
So cameras are still allowed in the cabin, depending on where you are flying
to/from.
Gerrit
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> News annoucements just after the incident said only passport and wallet
> were allowed carryon and they had to be in a plastic bag, nothing said
> about that only being from the UK. Maybe just sloppy reporting or that
> was a temporary rule.
> Larry in Berkeley
I have read this message from rec.travel.asia.
My wife is travelling from Perth (Australia) to Amsterdam this week so I
checked with the airline this morning. They advised me that unless she was
travelling via the UK (which she isn't) the rules about carryon luggage were
NOT changed from before the emergency. Mind you the security will be
heightened.
So cameras are still allowed in the cabin, depending on where you are flying
to/from.
Gerrit
Aug 13th 2006, 7:58 pm
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In message <[email protected]. com>, Larry
in Berkeley <[email protected]> writes
>If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
>containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
>for checked luggage will fry all your film.
>Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
>On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
>a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>Larry in Berkeley, California
Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news and you will see the latest news re
what can now be carried as hand luggage onto aircraft, this is being
phased in today for flights from UK. The threat of an attack has been
down graded from "critical" to "severe" and a small bag may be taken
into the cabin.
Pat
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Pat Anderson
in Berkeley <[email protected]> writes
>If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>board. It is absolutely essential to have the film (and the camera
>containing film) in a lead pouch. Otherwise, many strong x-rays used
>for checked luggage will fry all your film.
>Camera stores have or can get the lead pouches.
>On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
>a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
>that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
>Larry in Berkeley, California
Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news and you will see the latest news re
what can now be carried as hand luggage onto aircraft, this is being
phased in today for flights from UK. The threat of an attack has been
down graded from "critical" to "severe" and a small bag may be taken
into the cabin.
Pat
--
Pat Anderson
Aug 13th 2006, 9:05 pm
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Following up to sharkbait999
> Further, I
>would further add that a "film" camera is no more an electronic device than
>a wallet once you remove the batteries.
one or two old cameras maybe, but they have had electronics other
than for image recording for a long time.
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> Further, I
>would further add that a "film" camera is no more an electronic device than
>a wallet once you remove the batteries.
one or two old cameras maybe, but they have had electronics other
than for image recording for a long time.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Aug 13th 2006, 9:32 pm
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[email protected] wrote:
> Of course, you can make a dandy spark with a bit of nylon cloth or
> other staticy things.
> Jim P.
Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
flight. Their religion forbids drinking, and alcohol can prove quite
flammable. But will the airlines stop serving it?
Cori
> Of course, you can make a dandy spark with a bit of nylon cloth or
> other staticy things.
> Jim P.
Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
flight. Their religion forbids drinking, and alcohol can prove quite
flammable. But will the airlines stop serving it?
Cori
Aug 13th 2006, 9:36 pm
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Ken wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2006 09:26:48 -0700, "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> >a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> >that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
> >
> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
If it was the x-ray machine, maybe it was one defective one. I can
hardly believe they're all that unsafe. I've traveled with my cameras
in carryon, but my exposed film and camcorder tape in checked luggage
as there was quite a lot of it, and 35 mm 400 speed film and 8 mm
camcorder tape made the trip just fine.
Cori
> On 13 Aug 2006 09:26:48 -0700, "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >On my last trip, I had some instant coffee in a plastic container with
> >a small silver-plated spoon. One of the x-ray machines was so strong
> >that it melted and solidified all the coffee! Not exactly film safe!
> >
> How do you know the x-ray machine did this?
If it was the x-ray machine, maybe it was one defective one. I can
hardly believe they're all that unsafe. I've traveled with my cameras
in carryon, but my exposed film and camcorder tape in checked luggage
as there was quite a lot of it, and 35 mm 400 speed film and 8 mm
camcorder tape made the trip just fine.
Cori
Aug 13th 2006, 9:42 pm
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"James Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. ..
> "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>> board.
> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA. The
> only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating in the
> UK.
As of today this restriction has been removed.
There will apparently be a few days whilst the airports
discourage it, but HMG have officially now allowed them again.
tim
news:[email protected]. ..
> "Larry in Berkeley" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you are travelling by air with a film camera, don't forget that now
>> all airlines require cameras to be in checked luggage, not carried on
>> board.
> You can still carry cameras aboard on flights originating in the USA. The
> only place in the world that restricts you are flights originating in the
> UK.
As of today this restriction has been removed.
There will apparently be a few days whilst the airports
discourage it, but HMG have officially now allowed them again.
tim
Aug 13th 2006, 10:07 pm
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Following up to [email protected]
>Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
>flight. Their religion forbids drinking,
things you learn on usenet.
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Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
>Be suspicious of any Islamic types ordering alcoholic drinks on a
>flight. Their religion forbids drinking,
things you learn on usenet.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
