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Strike in SA affecting tourism?

Old Jun 8th 2007, 1:55 am
  #16  
Marc Lurie
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1) MNET is not a stste owned company. It is privately owned by
Multichoice.

2) What do you mean by "the African culture"? Are you suggesting that
there is a pan-African common culture? If so, then you are very much
mistaken, or know absolutely nothing about African cultures.

Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
to mention them on this NG.

3) Are you claiming that the DA is not African? Your statement, in any
case, is completely meaningless. Can you point me to ANY political
organisation worldwide that doesn't form one block when faced by
opposition?

Marc

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:14:39 +0200, Corn�
<[email protected]> wrote:
SNIP
>
>Yes, the SABC is state-owned, as is MNET (these can be received with a
>normal areal).
>To understand the ANC you have to understand the African culture, within the
>ANC there is a strong democracy, but towards the outworld (DA, the media,
>foreign media etc.) the form one block.
SNIP
Regards from the bush, lovely stars now!!
>
>Corn�.
>
>www.amukela.com
 
Old Jun 9th 2007, 6:53 am
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"Marc Lurie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1) MNET is not a stste owned company. It is privately owned by
> Multichoice.

Sorry, I meant E-TV (49) off course, and you must have Sattelite TV to
receive MNET. Isn't Multichoice a BEE owned company?

>
> 2) What do you mean by "the African culture"?

Diificult to descibe, I mean offcourse the black culture in SA, and I am
aware the Zulu culture is quit different to that of the Xhosa. But there are
many things in common: Ubuntu, traditional believe mixed with christian
believe, looking back in their past to explain current event etc. Very
interresting, and I am in a lucky position to learn every day.


> Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
> to mention them on this NG.

Now you sound like an old colonial type of Cecil Rhodes.... I am not
lowering myself to that level.


>
> 3) Are you claiming that the DA is not African?

You are putting words in my mouth, things I have never said nor written
down. DA is by the way my party.


Can you point me to ANY political
> organisation worldwide that doesn't form one block when faced by
> opposition?

The shameless actions of the ANC regarding Zimbabwe ('free and fair
elections'), regarding AIDS/HIV, regarding Zuma and the criticism wordlwide
regarding crime is imho not comparable with modern Europe. But again, this
is Africa, and in the ANC organisation there is an african way of democracy.
In a country which was ruled by white minorities for hundred's of years, it
is now up to the ANC to make it's own mistakes. Like when you have children
you don't want to make the same mistakes your parents made, but anyway...
you will make mistakes.

At the end, I don't think generally the strike in SA will have an impact on
tourism. Those are my final thoughts on this subject.

Have a good life!

Corn�.

www.amukela.com



> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:14:39 +0200, Corn�
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> SNIP
>>
>>Yes, the SABC is state-owned, as is MNET (these can be received with a
>>normal areal).
>>To understand the ANC you have to understand the African culture, within
>>the
>>ANC there is a strong democracy, but towards the outworld (DA, the media,
>>foreign media etc.) the form one block.
> SNIP
> Regards from the bush, lovely stars now!!
>>
>>Corn�.
>>
>>www.amukela.com
 
Old Jun 9th 2007, 9:52 pm
  #18  
Marc Lurie
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Of course you meant E-TV? E-TV is a privately owned company as well,
and is not state-owned at all.

Multichoice is owned by MIH, which is owned by Naspers. Naspers isn't
a BEE company, but I think Multichoice may well be. What's your point?
A BEE company is still a privately owned company.

Corne, my intention was never to sound like Cecil Rhodes myself. I was
in fact saying that YOU sound like Rhodes/Ian Smith/PW
Botha/Mitterand/Salazar etc. when you use terms like "the African
culture"

Your later use of "But again, this is Africa, and in the ANC
organisation there is an african way of democracy." shows that you
have lumped all of Africa into one category. Again, you are much
mistaken. There is no such thing as "african way of democracy".

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:53:47 +0200, Corn�.
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Marc Lurie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> 1) MNET is not a stste owned company. It is privately owned by
>> Multichoice.
>
>Sorry, I meant E-TV (49) off course, and you must have Sattelite TV to
>receive MNET. Isn't Multichoice a BEE owned company?
>
>>
>> 2) What do you mean by "the African culture"?
>
>Diificult to descibe, I mean offcourse the black culture in SA, and I am
>aware the Zulu culture is quit different to that of the Xhosa. But there are
>many things in common: Ubuntu, traditional believe mixed with christian
>believe, looking back in their past to explain current event etc. Very
>interresting, and I am in a lucky position to learn every day.
>
>
>> Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>> to mention them on this NG.
>
>Now you sound like an old colonial type of Cecil Rhodes.... I am not
>lowering myself to that level.
>
>
>>
>> 3) Are you claiming that the DA is not African?
>
>You are putting words in my mouth, things I have never said nor written
>down. DA is by the way my party.
>
>
>Can you point me to ANY political
>> organisation worldwide that doesn't form one block when faced by
>> opposition?
>
>The shameless actions of the ANC regarding Zimbabwe ('free and fair
>elections'), regarding AIDS/HIV, regarding Zuma and the criticism wordlwide
>regarding crime is imho not comparable with modern Europe. But again, this
>is Africa, and in the ANC organisation there is an african way of democracy.
>In a country which was ruled by white minorities for hundred's of years, it
>is now up to the ANC to make it's own mistakes. Like when you have children
>you don't want to make the same mistakes your parents made, but anyway...
>you will make mistakes.
>
>At the end, I don't think generally the strike in SA will have an impact on
>tourism. Those are my final thoughts on this subject.
>
>Have a good life!
>
>Corn�.
>
>www.amukela.com
>
>
>
>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:14:39 +0200, Corn�
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> SNIP
>>>
>>>Yes, the SABC is state-owned, as is MNET (these can be received with a
>>>normal areal).
>>>To understand the ANC you have to understand the African culture, within
>>>the
>>>ANC there is a strong democracy, but towards the outworld (DA, the media,
>>>foreign media etc.) the form one block.
>> SNIP
>> Regards from the bush, lovely stars now!!
>>>
>>>Corn�.
>>>
>>>www.amukela.com
 
Old Jun 18th 2007, 1:12 am
  #19  
Marc Lurie
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The latest on the strike... taken from "News 24" I think.





Immigration officials join strike

Mon, 18 Jun 2007

It was regrettable that immigration officers had joined the public
service strike, the Tourism Business Council of SA (TBCSA) said on
Monday.

TBCSA spokesperson Reynold Thakhuli said the decision by the Essential
Services Committee to allow the officers to join the strike was
detrimental to competitiveness.

Airports affected

"The decision will without any doubt affect our competitiveness as a
country, more especially at our airports with the immigration and
customs personnel also downing tools," said Thakhuli.

Last Friday the Public Servants Association said that immigration
workers were granted permission to take part in the public service
strike by the statutory ESC.

Thakhuli said with workers being on strike, the issuing of passports
and other documents necessary to enter South Africa would take longer
than usual.

The tourism industry was preparing for the 2010 World Cup, and the
strike would influence the number of potential investors coming into
the country, he said.

"This kind of action could have been averted a long time ago as the
consequence of this industrial action is baring negative effects on
the tourism sector and the economy at large," he said.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:48:19 +0200, Wildpicture <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is the general strike in the public sector in South Africa affecting
>tourism at the moment?
>
>I am thinking about customs officials at airports, air traffic control,
>baggage handling, etc? Anything involving air traffic and airports? What
>about staff of SANP (are they still in government service)?
>
>Regards,
>Hans
 
Old Jun 18th 2007, 5:08 am
  #20  
Wildpicture
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Marc Lurie schreef:
> The latest on the strike... taken from "News 24" I think.
> Immigration officials join strike
<snip>
> "The decision will without any doubt affect our competitiveness as a
> country, more especially at our airports with the immigration and
> customs personnel also downing tools," said Thakhuli.

Not to pleased to hear this. Hope they resolve things soon. Of course
for the workers and the government. But also because standing in a queue
at Jo'burg Intl for a long time with two little children after having
traveled about 20 hours, is not something to look forward to. :-(

Regards,
Hans
 
Old Jun 18th 2007, 7:53 pm
  #21  
Marc Lurie
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Already the strike is affecting the workers more than it is affecting
Joe Average. Many workers have had to resort to unscrupulous micro
lenders (loan sharks) because they're not being paid. Even if they get
all their demands met, they'll be worse off than before the strike.

I had a colleague come in to OR Tambo Airport yesterday, and he said
that it looked quite normal and there were no unusual delays.

Isn't it ironic that the skeleton staff during a strike work at about
the same pace as the normal workforce? :-)

Marc

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:08:09 +0200, Wildpicture <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Marc Lurie schreef:
>> The latest on the strike... taken from "News 24" I think.
>> Immigration officials join strike
><snip>
>> "The decision will without any doubt affect our competitiveness as a
>> country, more especially at our airports with the immigration and
>> customs personnel also downing tools," said Thakhuli.
>
>Not to pleased to hear this. Hope they resolve things soon. Of course
>for the workers and the government. But also because standing in a queue
>at Jo'burg Intl for a long time with two little children after having
>traveled about 20 hours, is not something to look forward to. :-(
>
>Regards,
>Hans
 
Old Jun 18th 2007, 11:26 pm
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"Marc Lurie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Of course you meant E-TV? E-TV is a privately owned company as well,
> and is not state-owned at all.


As I wrote:

Sorry, I meant E-TV (49) off course

>
> Multichoice is owned by MIH, which is owned by Naspers. Naspers isn't
> a BEE company, but I think Multichoice may well be. What's your point?
> A BEE company is still a privately owned company.


Well, BEE is Black empowerment, and they might have other political vieuws
then indepedent newstations, for example?


>
> Corne, my intention was never to sound like Cecil Rhodes myself. I was
> in fact saying that YOU sound like Rhodes/Ian Smith/PW
> Botha/Mitterand/Salazar etc. when you use terms like "the African
> culture"


I never 'sound' like that, but if you write things like: ...


"Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>>> to mention them on this NG.
>>"

... then I wonder if one can sue you for this!




>
> Your later use of "But again, this is Africa, and in the ANC
> organisation there is an african way of democracy." shows that you
> have lumped all of Africa into one category. Again, you are much
> mistaken. There is no such thing as "african way of democracy".


There is a thing as the african way of democracy. But you need to get out of
your comfortzone, and have an open minded policy towards africans. Mayeb
their lies your problem?


Enough words spent.

Best regards, from the african bush,

Corn�.

www.amukela.com



>
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:53:47 +0200, Corn�.
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Marc Lurie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> 1) MNET is not a stste owned company. It is privately owned by
>>> Multichoice.
>>
>>Sorry, I meant E-TV (49) off course, and you must have Sattelite TV to
>>receive MNET. Isn't Multichoice a BEE owned company?
>>
>>>
>>> 2) What do you mean by "the African culture"?
>>
>>Diificult to descibe, I mean offcourse the black culture in SA, and I am
>>aware the Zulu culture is quit different to that of the Xhosa. But there
>>are
>>many things in common: Ubuntu, traditional believe mixed with christian
>>believe, looking back in their past to explain current event etc. Very
>>interresting, and I am in a lucky position to learn every day.
>>
>>
>>> Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>>> to mention them on this NG.
>>
>>Now you sound like an old colonial type of Cecil Rhodes.... I am not
>>lowering myself to that level.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 3) Are you claiming that the DA is not African?
>>
>>You are putting words in my mouth, things I have never said nor written
>>down. DA is by the way my party.
>>
>>
>>Can you point me to ANY political
>>> organisation worldwide that doesn't form one block when faced by
>>> opposition?
>>
>>The shameless actions of the ANC regarding Zimbabwe ('free and fair
>>elections'), regarding AIDS/HIV, regarding Zuma and the criticism
>>wordlwide
>>regarding crime is imho not comparable with modern Europe. But again, this
>>is Africa, and in the ANC organisation there is an african way of
>>democracy.
>>In a country which was ruled by white minorities for hundred's of years,
>>it
>>is now up to the ANC to make it's own mistakes. Like when you have
>>children
>>you don't want to make the same mistakes your parents made, but anyway...
>>you will make mistakes.
>>
>>At the end, I don't think generally the strike in SA will have an impact
>>on
>>tourism. Those are my final thoughts on this subject.
>>
>>Have a good life!
>>
>>Corn�.
>>
>>www.amukela.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:14:39 +0200, Corn�
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the SABC is state-owned, as is MNET (these can be received with a
>>>>normal areal).
>>>>To understand the ANC you have to understand the African culture, within
>>>>the
>>>>ANC there is a strong democracy, but towards the outworld (DA, the
>>>>media,
>>>>foreign media etc.) the form one block.
>>> SNIP
>>> Regards from the bush, lovely stars now!!
>>>>
>>>>Corn�.
>>>>
>>>>www.amukela.com
 
Old Jun 19th 2007, 3:07 am
  #23  
Marc Lurie
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Corne, if you feel like you need to sue me, go ahead. But if you have
no intention of sueing me, then don't threaten.




On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:22 +0200, Corn�.
<[email protected]> wrote:

SNIP
>I never 'sound' like that, but if you write things like: ...
>
>
>"Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>>>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>>>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>>>> to mention them on this NG.
>>>"
>
>... then I wonder if one can sue you for this!
>
SNIP
 
Old Jun 19th 2007, 3:24 am
  #24  
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Marc, if somebody you don't know writes this about you:

>>"Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>>>>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>>>>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>>>>> to mention them on this NG.

How would that make you feel? How would your great friend Holgate think
about that, or you comrades at Laradio??

Think about that.

Corn�.


"Marc Lurie" <marc.laradio.co.za> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Corne, if you feel like you need to sue me, go ahead. But if you have
> no intention of sueing me, then don't threaten.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:22 +0200, Corn�.
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> SNIP
>>I never 'sound' like that, but if you write things like: ...
>>
>>
>>"Or is your reference to "the African culture" simply your equivalent
>>>>> of the French "Les noires" or the Portuguese "Pretos"? There are
>>>>> several other terms that are used around the world, but I'd prefer not
>>>>> to mention them on this NG.
>>>>"
>>
>>... then I wonder if one can sue you for this!
>>
> SNIP
 
Old Jun 19th 2007, 5:17 am
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>
> I had a colleague come in to OR Tambo Airport yesterday, and he said
> that it looked quite normal and there were no unusual delays.


I hope so, in July and August they are expecting more then 5,7 million
visitors!!

Bushregards,

Corn�.

www.amukela.com
 
Old Jun 27th 2007, 10:13 pm
  #26  
Marc Lurie
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I've just heard on the radio that the strike is now over. No details,
but at least it's over.

As it happens, I wasn't affected in any way by the strike. All it did
was to convince me that the current union system is founded on
croneyism, intimidation, and a complete lack of understanding of
macro-economics.

Marc

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:48:19 +0200, Wildpicture <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is the general strike in the public sector in South Africa affecting
>tourism at the moment?
>
>I am thinking about customs officials at airports, air traffic control,
>baggage handling, etc? Anything involving air traffic and airports? What
>about staff of SANP (are they still in government service)?
>
>Regards,
>Hans
 

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