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Looking for ideas about a honeymoon safari

Old Dec 27th 2006, 6:11 am
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Fred
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Hi all,

my girl-friend and i are looking for some ideas for a honeymoon safari.
We are not newcomers as we spent some time in Africa : two years in
Cameroon, two safaris in Kenya, 1 in Tanzania and one in Botswana.

We are looking for a romantic and luxurious place where we may have two
weeks of safari in a rich wildlife area.

Requirements are the following :
inside a wildlife reserve
beautiful landscape
luxurious tented camp or lodge
highest quality of game guides
opportunities for having other activities like walking, night
safaris, ....
balloon or aircraft trips
fine place for bird watching also

So, your best ideas even the craziest ones are expected.

Thanks for all.

Carine and Frederic
 
Old Dec 27th 2006, 6:40 am
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Dave Patterson
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In Kenya - Finch Hattons in Tsavo. http://www.finchhattons.com/
the NEW Larsens in Samburu. http://www.wildernesslodges.co.ke/ (then
select Larsens)
No balloons either place.
Bateleur Camp @ Kichwa Tembo in the Masai Mara. Balloon here, of course.

http://www.ccafrica.com/accommodatio...11/lodgeid-2-1

In South Africa, anyplace in the Sabi Sands reserve - great wildlife -
but these are truly costly.
My favorite is not the most pretentious: Londolozi
http://www.ccafrica.com/reserve-1-id-2-6

Since you have been on safari in Tanzania, Kenya, and Botswana, you have
already experienced
the natural world for safaris. It is less so in South Africa; much more
managed.
But - in fairness - if it is luxury you are seeking, you will find it
there.
 
Old Dec 27th 2006, 6:44 am
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Liz Leyden
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In message <[email protected] .com>
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hi all,
    >
    > my girl-friend and i are looking for some ideas for a honeymoon safari.
    > We are not newcomers as we spent some time in Africa : two years in
    > Cameroon, two safaris in Kenya, 1 in Tanzania and one in Botswana.
    >
    > We are looking for a romantic and luxurious place where we may have two
    > weeks of safari in a rich wildlife area.
    >
    > Requirements are the following :
    > inside a wildlife reserve
    > beautiful landscape
    > luxurious tented camp or lodge
    > highest quality of game guides
    > opportunities for having other activities like walking, night
    > safaris, ....
    > balloon or aircraft trips
    > fine place for bird watching also

Have you set a date yet?
This may make a difference to our suggestions ...

Slainte

Liz


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Old Dec 27th 2006, 8:03 pm
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Fred
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Dear Dave,

thank you for your advice, recommandations and adresses.

In fact, luxury is not our primary requirement. The first one is
wildlife !

We have already been to Larsen's Camp in Samburu which is tipiccaly the
kind of place we are looking for. May be do you remember, my story
about our last trip in Kenya and the few days we spent in Larsen's.

Best regards.

Fred

Dave Patterson a �crit :

    > In Kenya - Finch Hattons in Tsavo. http://www.finchhattons.com/
    > the NEW Larsens in Samburu. http://www.wildernesslodges.co.ke/ (then
    > select Larsens)
    > No balloons either place.
    > Bateleur Camp @ Kichwa Tembo in the Masai Mara. Balloon here, of course.
    > http://www.ccafrica.com/accommodatio...11/lodgeid-2-1
    > In South Africa, anyplace in the Sabi Sands reserve - great wildlife -
    > but these are truly costly.
    > My favorite is not the most pretentious: Londolozi
    > http://www.ccafrica.com/reserve-1-id-2-6
    > Since you have been on safari in Tanzania, Kenya, and Botswana, you have
    > already experienced
    > the natural world for safaris. It is less so in South Africa; much more
    > managed.
    > But - in fairness - if it is luxury you are seeking, you will find it
    > there.
 
Old Dec 27th 2006, 8:04 pm
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Fred
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Dear Liz,

thank you for your answer.
In fact, we really do not know the season we are going to travel ...
So this is completely open !
Thank you for your advice.

Fred

Liz Leyden a �crit :

    > In message <[email protected] .com>
    > "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Hi all,
    > >
    > > my girl-friend and i are looking for some ideas for a honeymoon safari.
    > > We are not newcomers as we spent some time in Africa : two years in
    > > Cameroon, two safaris in Kenya, 1 in Tanzania and one in Botswana.
    > >
    > > We are looking for a romantic and luxurious place where we may have two
    > > weeks of safari in a rich wildlife area.
    > >
    > > Requirements are the following :
    > > inside a wildlife reserve
    > > beautiful landscape
    > > luxurious tented camp or lodge
    > > highest quality of game guides
    > > opportunities for having other activities like walking, night
    > > safaris, ....
    > > balloon or aircraft trips
    > > fine place for bird watching also
    > Have you set a date yet?
    > This may make a difference to our suggestions ...
    > Slainte
    > Liz
    > --
    > http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos
    > Photo Gallery:
    > http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/g...emberID=165111
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 3:36 am
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Fred, I do now remember your posting - in fact, I forwarded
it to the owners of Larsens. It was helpful to us as well..
and, as it turned out, the group of 18 clients who traveled
with us in September named it as their favorite stop!
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 7:14 pm
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-Fred
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Dave,

i am happy this posting has been useful and that people spent a
delicious moment in Larsens.
For my girlfriend and i this si tippically the kind of place we are
enjoying.

Regards

P.S : you can see some of my pictures at the following address :
http://picasaweb.google.fr/Frederic.Salein/


Dave Patterson a �crit :

> Fred, I do now remember your posting - in fact, I forwarded
> it to the owners of Larsens. It was helpful to us as well..
> and, as it turned out, the group of 18 clients who traveled
> with us in September named it as their favorite stop!
 
Old Dec 29th 2006, 1:27 am
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Liz Leyden
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In message <[email protected] om>
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> i am happy this posting has been useful and that people spent a
> delicious moment in Larsens.
> For my girlfriend and i this si tippically the kind of place we are
> enjoying.

I suspect your best bet will be Botswana, if its within your budget.
Small camps, personal service and guiding, great wildlife and birds.
Hearsay only, it's way outside my budget!

Since I see you're interested in birds, the best places in Kenya are
Lake Baringo, Kakamega Forest and Arabuko-Sokoke Forest.

At Lake Baringo you have two main choices of accommodation in the
non-basic category: Baringo Island Camp and the Lake Baringo Club.
The Camp is more romantic and secluded, not as luxurious as Larsen's.
At weekends it can be quite busy with expats and residents coming out
from Nairobi. The Club has a much bigger variety of bird species (more
habitats), but since Block lost it, it's been going downhill: I was
there in July and although it was more than adequate for my needs, it
might not be small/luxurious enough for you. Both the Club and the
Camp have bird guides and boats. Also on the mainland there's a local
guy called Cliff who can take you into the village areas and take you
a boat trip, though it will be expensive if no-one else wants to share
the boat. He took us to see Heuglin's Courser, which is pretty
difficult to see normally (it's nocturnal). He puts his money back
into the local community, and since he's looking towards marriage,
he's training up some young lads in bird guiding so they can take over
when he goes for personally paid employment in the next couple of
years. From the boats, the guides whistle down Fish Eagles for fish,
so you can get some nice photos: mind you, it depends who goes out
first - if they've already been fed, they just stick in their tree
when whistled! I got some nice pix on the boat trip especially, we
were out for about 3 hours (wear a hat and take water!), but still
haven't had time to get any of my pics form this trip onto my website.
Bird list from two earlier visits:
http://www.v-liz.com/safari/baring.htm

At Kakamega Forest you can stay at Rondo Retreat and they will find
you a bird guide. We had Wilberforce Okeka who was great; we heard
from others that at least two of the other guides are excellent too.
Bird list: http://www.v-liz.com/safari/kakamega/kaklis.htm

If you're going all the way out to Kakamega, you might as well go to
Rusinga Island Camp on Lake Victoria, small, remote, very romantic.
It's mostly for fishing, but if you're not interested (I'm not) just
tell them you want to watch birds, and they'll help you. The Luo
boatman took us out on the lake and told us lots of his tribe's
stories and traditions (because I asked). I think he was a bit
perplexed by us not wanting to fish (I don't know what kind of fish
they get, but they had one of these seats they strap you into when
going for sailfish off the coast), but was happy to show us the birds
and otters.
List: http://www.v-liz.com/safari/lakvic/rusin2.htm

For Arabuko-Sokoke Forest you can stay at any of the Malindi/Watamu
hotels and hire a car. We stayed at Ocean Sports (aka Open Shorts) in
Watamu. At the forest, you can hire a bird guide. We had David Ngala
who was mega excellent, but he isn't always there nowadays, but he
certainly was about for part of last year, so you could ask. Anyway,
if he's trained the other guides, they should also be very good.
List: http://www.v-liz.com/safari/aralis.htm

I hear the luxurious lodge at Meru is fantastic and very romantic.

Safari njema

Liz

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Old Dec 29th 2006, 8:54 am
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Liz Leyden
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Another suggestion, more within the range of 'bog-standard safari
circuits for two or three nights, might be Loldia House on Lake
Nakuru: it's an old colonial house from the 1930s. Food is great -
watch out for them constantly refilling your glass - they do it
without you noticing and the bill might be a shock.

(Also the much cheaper, less 'romantic', Lake Naivasha Club, though I
don't know who's running it now.)

Again you can go bird/nature walks (small bucks and monkeys), or boat
trips, or visit Crescent Island or even visit the local school.
http://www.v-liz.com.safari/naivasha/naivlis.htm

Slainte

Liz


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Old Jan 1st 2007, 2:35 am
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Dear liz,

thank you for all your kind advice.

In fact, we have already been to Botswana and we had a beautiful safari
there but i think we prefer Kenya.

Moreover, we have already been to Navaisha and to Baringo (especially
the lodge on the island which is a really rimantic place) and we had a
marvellous time seekin and watching birds on the lake, on the bank and
in the bush near the cliffs where we have seen many interesting birds
(may be do you remember the message i sent to you about this safari in
Kenya).

My girlfriend and i went on with this idea and our last focus is to
stay in Masai Mara and have game drives, bird and bush walks and
romantic diners in one or two different locations.

Depending on the season and on th places, we would like to know what
part of Masai Mara are the best ?

In parallel of our e-talks, we have also consulted some french travel
agencies. One of them made a proposal (which seems very attractive but
also very luxurious and expensive) which is the following : Cottars
1920.

Do you know this place and the services provided there ? Have you hear
about it ?

Thanks in advance and i wish you an happy new year full of wilderness
dreams !

Best regards

Fred

P.S You can see some of my pictures at the following address
http://picasaweb.google.fr/Frederic.Salein/


Liz Leyden a �crit :

> Another suggestion, more within the range of 'bog-standard safari
> circuits for two or three nights, might be Loldia House on Lake
> Nakuru: it's an old colonial house from the 1930s. Food is great -
> watch out for them constantly refilling your glass - they do it
> without you noticing and the bill might be a shock.
>
> (Also the much cheaper, less 'romantic', Lake Naivasha Club, though I
> don't know who's running it now.)
>
> Again you can go bird/nature walks (small bucks and monkeys), or boat
> trips, or visit Crescent Island or even visit the local school.
> http://www.v-liz.com.safari/naivasha/naivlis.htm
>
> Slainte
>
> Liz
>
>
> --
> http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos
> Photo Gallery:
> http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/gallery.asp?memberID5111
 
Old Jan 1st 2007, 11:00 pm
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You might like to look at Zambia?
There are now some pretty luxurious places (Tongabezi, for example) with
'honeymoon suites'.
It doesnt have the massive herds that East Aprica has, but is good for birds
and has excellent guides.
I'm a great fan of the Coppinger's places (Tafika
http://www.remoteafrica.com/) but you may think they are not luxurious
enough. You can do night drives and walking in Zambia.
Sunvil is an excellent agent to book through (now called Expert Africa
http://africa-holidays.sunvil.co.uk/default.asp?source=menu2)

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Old Jan 2nd 2007, 3:05 pm
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In article <[email protected]. com>, "Fred"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Liz,
>
> thank you for your answer.
> In fact, we really do not know the season we are going to travel ...
> So this is completely open !
> Thank you for your advice.


This makes considerable difference. During the dry season there are
considerable difference in where animals go than during the wet season.
The Chobe Game Lodge in Botswana would be an OK place during the dry
season, but when the rains start to come a lot of the wildlife starts
moving inland because the water holes start to fill up.

Kruger Park in South Africa and its surrounding areas offer a considerable
variety in activities. They have night drives (must be reserved in
advance due to limited space and popularity), evening drives, etc. There
are places outside the park, reasonably close, where one can also do such
things as hot air baloon trips. Other places in South Africa offer quite
a variety, including a breeding site for Jackass Penguins.

Depending on how long you are there, you might want to try a variety of
places. Even, for example, within Kruger itself there are several major
centers to stay the night. The same spot on the Sabie River gets awfully
boring after a while after you have seen it over and over again over the
course of several game drives. Given enough time you could spend several
days in each place within Kruger and get a lot of variety in both
locations within the park and the wildlife you see. Or, you could do what
I did and spend some time in Zambia (Victoria Falls), Botswana and South
Africa.

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Old Jan 2nd 2007, 11:53 pm
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Dear Rita,

thank you for your suggestions. Our french travel agency had already
talked to us about Zambia and the links you have sent to me shows there
are beautiful places to have such activities we are found of.

Even if it is not for our honeymoon trip, i will keep these precious
information for a further safari.

Best regards.


Rita Daggett a �crit :

> You might like to look at Zambia?
> There are now some pretty luxurious places (Tongabezi, for example) with
> 'honeymoon suites'.
> It doesnt have the massive herds that East Aprica has, but is good for birds
> and has excellent guides.
> I'm a great fan of the Coppinger's places (Tafika
> http://www.remoteafrica.com/) but you may think they are not luxurious
> enough. You can do night drives and walking in Zambia.
> Sunvil is an excellent agent to book through (now called Expert Africa
> http://africa-holidays.sunvil.co.uk/default.asp?source=menu2)
>
> --
> Rita Daggett
 
Old Jan 3rd 2007, 3:40 am
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Liz Leyden
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In message <[email protected]. com>
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:


> Depending on the season and on th places, we would like to know what
> part of Masai Mara are the best ?
The Migration comes into the Mara reliably in the third week in July,
but usually before that, sometimes in late June. Early on, you want to
be in the south, round about Keekorok Lodge, which although nice
probably isn't small and romantic enough for you. I don't know of any
small camps in that area, but there seem to be new camps springing up
all the time. Siana Springs is nice, but way out of the reserve, and
away from the migration route. But you can do night drives, which are
always hit-or-miss (good in July 06 - last year already!
Come to mid-August and the Migration will be crossing the river, and
you want optimally to be in the area of the Mara Serena.
After that, you'd want to be in the north of the reserve, then follow
the migratory route back southwards until it goes back into Tz late
October/November.
Personally, I wouldn't choose to be in the Mara outside the Migration
- I've posted several times that it happened once by accident, and
there was very little in the way of mammals to be seen: but still
plenty of birds. Other people say they have seen plenty 'out of
season'.
>
> In parallel of our e-talks, we have also consulted some french travel
> agencies. One of them made a proposal (which seems very attractive but
> also very luxurious and expensive) which is the following : Cottars
> 1920.
> Do you know this place and the services provided there ? Have you hear
> about it ?
I'd heard that it's very nice and exclusive, maybe that was just their
advertising, I can't remember, and haven't been there.

Another suggestion (in the north) might be Little Governor's Camp.

Maybe someone can comment on Tortilis Camp in Amboseli: I've heard
mixed reports, but the only really bad one was from a driver/guide
based on a pre-opening event for tour companies - I think they were
unlucky with their food, which clouded their opinion! Amboseli is
pretty much underrated.

If you're going to be in a few places, consider having your own guide
for the full trip. If you stay at a camp, you might have to share the
vehicle with the other guests, whose interests may not be the same as
yours, or if they've never been to Africa before, they might want to
spend longer with the more 'usual' species while you want to birdwatch
or look for less usual species.

Lang may yer lum reek! (Scottish New Year greeting for Frederic and
all other readers)

Slainte mhath (Gaelic for 'Good Health')

Safari njema (goes without saying)

Liz

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Old Jan 3rd 2007, 8:59 am
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-Fred
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Dear Liz,

thank you very much for your advice and wishes !

Best regards


Liz Leyden a �crit :

> In message <[email protected]. com>
> "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > Depending on the season and on th places, we would like to know what
> > part of Masai Mara are the best ?
> The Migration comes into the Mara reliably in the third week in July,
> but usually before that, sometimes in late June. Early on, you want to
> be in the south, round about Keekorok Lodge, which although nice
> probably isn't small and romantic enough for you. I don't know of any
> small camps in that area, but there seem to be new camps springing up
> all the time. Siana Springs is nice, but way out of the reserve, and
> away from the migration route. But you can do night drives, which are
> always hit-or-miss (good in July 06 - last year already!
> Come to mid-August and the Migration will be crossing the river, and
> you want optimally to be in the area of the Mara Serena.
> After that, you'd want to be in the north of the reserve, then follow
> the migratory route back southwards until it goes back into Tz late
> October/November.
> Personally, I wouldn't choose to be in the Mara outside the Migration
> - I've posted several times that it happened once by accident, and
> there was very little in the way of mammals to be seen: but still
> plenty of birds. Other people say they have seen plenty 'out of
> season'.
> >
> > In parallel of our e-talks, we have also consulted some french travel
> > agencies. One of them made a proposal (which seems very attractive but
> > also very luxurious and expensive) which is the following : Cottars
> > 1920.
> > Do you know this place and the services provided there ? Have you hear
> > about it ?
> I'd heard that it's very nice and exclusive, maybe that was just their
> advertising, I can't remember, and haven't been there.
>
> Another suggestion (in the north) might be Little Governor's Camp.
>
> Maybe someone can comment on Tortilis Camp in Amboseli: I've heard
> mixed reports, but the only really bad one was from a driver/guide
> based on a pre-opening event for tour companies - I think they were
> unlucky with their food, which clouded their opinion! Amboseli is
> pretty much underrated.
>
> If you're going to be in a few places, consider having your own guide
> for the full trip. If you stay at a camp, you might have to share the
> vehicle with the other guests, whose interests may not be the same as
> yours, or if they've never been to Africa before, they might want to
> spend longer with the more 'usual' species while you want to birdwatch
> or look for less usual species.
>
> Lang may yer lum reek! (Scottish New Year greeting for Frederic and
> all other readers)
>
> Slainte mhath (Gaelic for 'Good Health')
>
> Safari njema (goes without saying)
>
> Liz
>
> --
> http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos
> Photo Gallery:
> http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/gallery.asp?memberID5111
 

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