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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?

Old Feb 11th 2007, 1:31 am
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Pecan
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:27 pm, "Corn�" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I don't buy any of your arguments, and I am disappointed in your racist
>> and
>>> patronising attitude.
>> Too bad I don't have your adress, would immediately let my attorney sue you.
>> Patronising is your nickame, isn't?
>>
>> Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising
>> and most of all deformation of character posts.
>>
>> PLOINK!
>
>
> Marc, I have to say I'm disappointed at the overwhelming silence from
> the NG on this. Not only are you right on this matter, but I applaud
> you for making the point, and for taking the time to defend the point.
>
> By way of reference, this isn't the first time Corn� has lost the plot
> in this NG.
>
> Kurt
>

Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.

Catherine

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Old Feb 11th 2007, 1:47 am
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Liz Leyden
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In message <[email protected]>
"Corn�" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising
> and most of all deformation of character posts.

I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character.

Slainte

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Old Feb 11th 2007, 2:15 am
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> >
>
> Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.
>
> Catherine
>

Now you see where a good discussion can lead to Funny by the way the
comment from the author of this post:

"Thanks for the advice. I have unpaid (slightly speeding) tickets from
New Zealand, Mexico and a counrty in eastern europe."

Keep well.

Regards from hot Balule (38), thunderstorms are on their way.

Corné.

www.amukela.com
 
Old Feb 11th 2007, 2:17 am
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Corne,

I've never been one to shy away from a legitimate discussion/arguement but I
don't usually like to let them degrade into a sort of pointless pissing
contest because I remember it all too well from the good old days of CB
radio. "You tell me where you are good buddy, and I come over there and show
you what's what!" etc.

However, if you feel I have wronged you and would like your day in court,
please feel free to excercise your constitutional right in terms of the laws
of this country.

Marc Lurie
P.O. Box 28902
Sandringham
2131

Hmmm? A man admits to criminal acts on a public forum and then gets upset
and wants to sue for deformation (sic) of character?

"CornĂ©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>
>> I don't buy any of your arguments, and I am disappointed in your racist
> and
>> patronising attitude.
>
> Too bad I don't have your adress, would immediately let my attorney sue
> you.
> Patronising is your nickame, isn't?
>
> Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral,
> patronising
> and most of all deformation of character posts.
>
> PLOINK!
>
>
>
 
Old Feb 11th 2007, 2:31 am
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Marc Lurie
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Hi Kurt,

I am also a little dissapointed at the lack of feedback from other regulars,
but perhaps they are simply reading and making up their own minds. Perhaps
some feel the same way as Corne? Thank you for voicing your support.

Anyway, I vaguely remember having a run-in with Corne about a similar issue
perhaps a year or two back. I think I'll try to do a bit of searching
through the NG to see if I can find it.

Cheers,
Marc
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 11, 1:27 pm, "CornĂ©" <[email protected]> wrote:
Marc, I have to say I'm disappointed at the overwhelming silence from
the NG on this. Not only are you right on this matter, but I applaud
you for making the point, and for taking the time to defend the point.

By way of reference, this isn't the first time Corné has lost the plot
in this NG.

Kurt
 
Old Feb 11th 2007, 2:50 am
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Hi Catherine,



I forgot to respond to your post about rape because I was so angry after
reading Corne's response, but I wanted to thank you for your support on this
thread.



The issue of rape and sexual abuse in South Africa is quite close to home
for me as my girlfriend runs an NGO that does educational work, focussing
mostly on teenage and pre-teen sexuality, primary health care, abuse and
empowerment issues, and HIV awareness etc. Corne said that poverty isn't the
only reason for the terrible rape statistics and I have to agree with him.
In fact, poverty doesn't play ANY role in the prevalence of rape. The
biggest contributor to the scourge is personal attitudes towards gender
issues and sexuality.



The strange paradox is that countries with traditionally the most
puritanical mores (much of Africa and South America) are often those with
the highest rates of abuse, and those with liberal or "immoral" mores
(western Europe and Scandinavia) have the lowest rates of abuse.



Women in sexually licentious Sweden can walk around in skimpy revealing
clothing without fear of attack, but in conservative, god-fearing, highly
moral Lesotho she would be in grave danger. More interesting is the fact
that when asked why there is so much abuse happening in the country, most
conservative, god-fearing, highly moral people blame the "moral decay" on
things such as legalised same-sex marriage, legalised abortion, freely
available condoms etc.



All of this however, is really the subject of a completely different thread,
so I'll leave it here.



Regards,

Marc




"pecan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.
>
> Catherine
>
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Old Feb 11th 2007, 3:26 am
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Marc Lurie schreef:
> You're quite correct. I am also distressed that there seems to be a lack of
> government willingness to tackle certain issues, and a lack of comprehension
> about the importance of solving certain problems. I am particularly
> disturbed by the culture of "entitlement" that has become far more aggresive
> than in the past, and I am very concerned that convicted CRIMINALS like Tony
> Yengeni and Shabir Sheik (and not-yet convicted criminals like Jacob Zuma)
> are being treated as virtual heroes or matyrs.

Of course I agree with you. But it isn't just negligence by the
government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by
government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising
campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have
other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept
criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc)
are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist.

This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to
speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or
just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid
to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held
against them.

This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think
this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994.

Regards,
Hans
 
Old Feb 11th 2007, 4:25 am
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But it isn't just negligence by the
> government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by
> government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising
> campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have
> other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept
> criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc)
> are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist.
>
> This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to
> speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or
> just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid
> to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held
> against them.
>
> This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think
> this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994.
>
> Regards,
> Hans

Totally agree, this government has a big problem with criticism. SA
struggles between a modern and western policy, and a traditional almost
tribal African way.

In my opinion SA will become more and more an African country, with one
party (ANC). Democracy is an European way of life.

Regards,

Corné.

www.amukela.com
 
Old Feb 11th 2007, 4:27 am
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"Liz Leyden" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> In message <[email protected]>
> "CornĂ©" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral,
patronising
> > and most of all deformation of character posts.
>
> I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character.
>
> Slainte
>
> Liz
>

Hey Lizzie, long time no see. How are your projects going? Yes I know,
speaking out of your heart is something which is not always appreciated,
especially not when you're in bed with the BEE here in SA.

But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture

Regards,

Corné.

www.amukela.com
 
Old Feb 12th 2007, 4:05 am
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What do you mean by "African culture" Corne? Do you mean a common culture
shared by all Africans from Algeria to Zimbabwe? If so, please elaborate,
and please explain the commonalities of culture between Libyans and
Liberians for example. (Or Angolans and Algerians, or Moroccans and
Mozambiquans for that matter).

You missed my point about Yoruba and Shona being as culturally different
from each other as Finns and Belgians are, and my guess is that you will be
unable to define a pan-African common culture.

I put it to you that you are not "adapting to the african culture" as much
as you are contributing to the breakdown of moral and ethical mores in your
adoptive African country.

"CornĂ©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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SNIP
> But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture
>
> Regards,
>
> Corné.
>
> www.amukela.com
 
Old Mar 10th 2007, 9:46 am
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On Feb 7, 10:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2:53 pm, "Marc Lurie"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Craighall Park and Grayston Drive are both in good areas. The Grayston Drive
> > address is closer to the Nelson Mandela Square, and therefore closer to
> > restaurants, shopping etc. however, if you have a hired car, either address
> > will suit you. Craighall Park is likely to be quieter and probaly a bit
> > older and quainter (although nothing is really old - Johannesburg was only
> > founded in 1886). Craighall is one of the older suburbs, and is
> > traditionally an up-market, old-money area.
>
> > Marc
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >news:[email protected] oups.com...
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> > > Any opinions on:
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> > > 31 day Thrifty auto rental
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> > > Hyundai Getz manual, AC, Unlimited Mileage
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> > > ZAR 4,646 with no insurance as I will cover it with my AMEX Gold Card
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> > > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////��///////////
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> > > Apartments:
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> > > Westpoint on Grayton in Sandton for ZAR 4,500 for 7 nights
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> > > Waterfall Cottages on Craighall in Sandton for ZAR 3,094 for 7 nights- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> We ended up at a place called:
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> Blue point home stay - Kilcullen Estate Apartments
>
> It is on the south edge of Sandton and the cost for 2bed 2 Bath is
> R3,950 plus R299 "lease" fee for a week stay.
>
> Thanks for all of the advice.
>
> Our trip is at: beulavillenc-travel.blogspot.com
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> Doug Clark- Hide quoted text -
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Just got back.

Had a wonderful time. No problem as we traveled 10k mile in the
month.

We have not figured out our thoughts and feelings about the human
relationships between peoples in SA.

More to follow.

Doug Clark
 
Old Mar 10th 2007, 5:49 pm
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On Mar 11, 12:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Just got back.
>
> Had a wonderful time. No problem as we traveled 10k mile in the
> month.
>
> We have not figured out our thoughts and feelings about the human
> relationships between peoples in SA.
>
> More to follow.
>
> Doug Clark

Glad to hear your trip was a good one. Can't wait to hear all about
it.

And if you figure out the second point, there's likely a Nobel Prize
in your future...however, I'd love to hear your perspective while
you're working on it. :-)

Kurt

afrikatourism.blogspot.com
 
Old Mar 15th 2007, 12:48 am
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On 10 Mar 2007 14:46:46 -0800, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>We have not figured out our thoughts and feelings about the human
>relationships between peoples in SA.


We're a complicated bunch, aren't we? :-)
 
Old Apr 20th 2007, 3:35 pm
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Finally finished the trip report.

See it at:

www.beulavillenc-travel.blogspot.com

The trip is over on the right:

2007 Africa

Thanks.

Doug Clark
 

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