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https://imigrante.sef.pt/en/prorrogar-permanencia/vs/
https://imigrante.sef.pt/en/prorroga...nencia/vcd-iv/

Extensions are possible but dont seam to be easy. Good immigration solicitor could probably find way to extend stay.

Bomber Harris

wellinever

From 01/01/21 when the UK becomes a third country, the UK and PT could negotiate an bi-lateral agreement between themselves allowing stays in PT of longer than 90 days. Unlikely to happen as PT already offers an extension of stay to third country citizens, and has done since 2006, under their domestic legislation.
An extension of stay as above allowing a third country citizen to be in PT for up to 180 days is such that persons under an extension of stay granted by SEF are not classed as residents of PT. As a non-resident their foreign driving doesn't need to be exchanged as it is valid for 185 days.
The 90 in 180 is stipulated in an EU Directive that all member states have to abide by, it cannot be altered by individual member state. What individual member states can do, as PT has done, is allow an extension of stay which is only applicable in the member state that has permitted it. Example you enter PT under Schengen rules and before your 90 days are up you apply for a PT extension of stay which is granted. Between day 91 and 180 you can't go into any other Schengen zone country as you've already used up your 90 days in 180.

What I will say, having read your posts on this on this and another forum under your other user name, is that it appears to me that you are in fact a resident of Portugal (you wrote "I live here all the time" on that other forum).
I get the impression the reason you haven't registered the fact you are resident as required under PT law is because to do so at the moment you wouldn't be entitled to enter the NHR scheme owing to your previous period of registered residence and failure to inform the tax authorities when you left, and you don't want to exchange your UK driving licence for a PT licence as it would increase your car insurance premiums in the UK.
If what I suspect is true, you are playing with fire and if/when discovered will have left yourself open to being fined, imprisoned, and excluded from Portugal.
Alternatively your posts on this, or the other forum, aren't completely honest, either way you are being disingenuous to forum members who have responded to you, or the immigration and tax authorities in Portugal. Limiting tax liability is only justified when it doesn't involve other illegalities, otherwise it is tax fraud which I don't want any part of.
I'll leave you to untangle your own web of deceit.

RichardHenshall

That raises an interesting problem for a Brit who drives from the UK as Spain and France will be out of bounds after the first 90 days.

Bomber Harris

Yep, such extensions of stay will only really work for those flying in and out of Portugal, those who drive would need to load their vehicle on a boat leaving from a Portuguese port heading to a non Schengen country.

Lou71

But it is the only reason any of this matters to UK nationals after 1 January 2021.

People need to face the fact that Brexit has consequences and will change the way they live.

It will no longer be possible to take off travelling around EU states for months on end as it was in the past. UK nationals will have to face third country restrictions and this is one of many.

Rambling archer

And now there is this about Visas (and non-requirement of visas for EU residents) and all the detail that will go into the European Visa (and resident permits) database to keep track of folk in the Schengen area ... Expected to be ratified late in 2021 ...
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...main-elements/

Pistolpete2

I know that this thread was crafted to address the immigration issues associated with the UK leaving the EU, after the transition period, BUT today's UK newspapers are focusing on the impact of Brexit on travel to the EU under Covid safety restrictions.

We are/were booked for a trip of just under three months from early February and are wondering whether Portugal is any different in terms of application of the rules which are:

British holidaymakers will be barred from the EU from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

EU member states agreed in October to adopt a European council proposal to allow nonessential travel from a small group of countries with lower levels of Covid cases including Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

An EU commission spokesman last week said there were no plans to extend that to the UK. “This is a decision for the council to make,” he said.

We will not strictly be holiday makers as our trip will be to a place where we will actually be residing, having nowhere else, however there will be no intention of pursuing any sort of formal residency, for obvious reasons.

I note this, hence my question:

"EU member states can override the European council recommendations in theory, should they wish to ."

Fredbargate

I wonder if the opposite will apply

EU citizens not allowed to visit the UK

Bomber Harris

I would imagine if you're not a resident of Portugal (with the appropriate resident's certificate/permit to prove it) the only classifications left are cross-border worker or tourist no matter whether you're staying in your own property or tourist accommodation.

Pistolpete2

COVID-19 | Measures implemented in Portugal - per the Visit Portugal website

Implemented measures during the outbreak of COVID-19
[Update on 9 December. Measures in force until 23 December, at Christmas and in the New Year.
The State of Emergency is planned to be extended until 7 January 2021.]

Looks like I will have to wait until there is possibly a favourable update relating specifically to the UK around 7th January. Kind of boxed-in here as our overall itinerary plans were all made way way before Covid even appeared over the horizon and they are tough to undo, if only due to the 90 in 180 rule and covid issues and another 90 days restriction in Morocco.

appman999

Hi, do you have a link for this, the Telegraph article I have found dated 2/12 says 'Portugal, however, may offer us 180 days.........However, as it stands, the 180 days has not been approved'

campos

I'm wondering how travel to and from other Schengen countries for us will be affected. Say we go to Greece or Italy- being holders of British passports, will we have to ultimately buy this online visa which UK passport holders will need, even though we don't reside in the UK?

Rambling archer

Campos - see the detail here for travel of residents of EU countries travelling throughout the EU.

wellinever

I need to put you right mr clever clogs.......I was waiting for one of 2 people on here to pick up my posting in another forum, where I suspect you have a different username as well.
To put you right on your assumptions the answer is that I do not live here permanently. I spend no more than 180 days in a year in Portugal. Much like many many other people.
I have always paid any tax due in both countries.
I have various reasons for not wanting to become resident, none of them illegal. rather than cast your nasty aspersions in an open forum, you should have private messaged me, with your alleagations.
you are the worse kind of troll

campos