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Old Sep 14th 2017, 8:16 pm
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I heard nothing more about this. I was reminded yesterday about the FAA regs

This aircraft is prohibited from operating in congested airways or over densely populated areas unless directed by Air Traffic Control, or unless sufficient altitude is maintained to effect a safe emergency landing in the event of a power unit failure, without hazard to persons or property on the surface.”
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Old Sep 15th 2017, 5:55 am
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I heard nothing more about this. I was reminded yesterday about the FAA regs

This aircraft is prohibited from operating in congested airways or over densely populated areas unless directed by Air Traffic Control, or unless sufficient altitude is maintained to effect a safe emergency landing in the event of a power unit failure, without hazard to persons or property on the surface.”
Surely the key phrase there is "unless directed by ATC"?

I'd imagine they were following a standard instruction & flight path & surely if that were not the case the media would have been all over it like a rash.....

I really don't see any point in speculating & as I see it the only time sensible conclusions can be arrived at is after the ATIs have published their report.

They'd have to move the airstrip a considerable distance to ensure the statement of " unless sufficient altitude is maintained to effect a safe emergency landing in the event of a power unit failure, without hazard to persons or property on the surface" were observed.

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Old Dec 4th 2017, 2:45 pm
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Info gleaned from a utterly reliable source.

Carlos Conde de Almeida has been investigated for "homicide" & was presented to the Tribunal de Almada , was then released & awaits charges from the Public Prosecutor
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Old Dec 4th 2017, 4:07 pm
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Info gleaned from a utterly reliable source.

Carlos Conde de Almeida has been investigated for "homicide" & was presented to the Tribunal de Almada , was then released & awaits charges from the Public Prosecutor
Who is presumably & very wisely waiting for the Air Accident Investigators to publish their full report?

No surprises there then.
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Originally Posted by mfesharne View Post
Who is presumably & very wisely waiting for the Air Accident Investigators to publish their full report?

No surprises there then.
One thinks you presume to much
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Old Dec 4th 2017, 4:18 pm
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One thinks you presume to much
Hey, I'm open to other possibilities & look forward to hearing other possible explanations...
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Old Apr 23rd 2018, 10:01 am
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In todays PT Press.
The Air Accident Investigators Report has been finally been published.
The engine failed because off fuel starvation , the float in the carburettor "stuck in the closed position"
The report states that further test will be carried out on the engine etc - etc

Nearly all off the eye witnesses to this "accident" when questioned by the Legal Authorities have stated exactly the same thought it was also reported in the press !
"why did he not land in the sea" & others added " he had lots off time too do so, but instead headed straight for the crowded beach"

The Journalist opinion :- It is a very strong possibility that Carlos Conde de Almedia will be charged with 2 counts - Homicide by Negligence -
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Old Apr 23rd 2018, 10:11 am
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I'd be interested to see the report (especially) to know how high he was & how fast he was going when the engine failed but as I believe I said before, once that happens the rules of physics & flight (same thing really) take over & he probably wouldn't have had many (if any) options.

An unfortunate failure that could be caused by several things including but not necessarily bad maintenance and/or bad fuel but even space shuttles suffer mechanical failure resulting in disaster.

As for the journalist's opinion....... That won't be worth squat will it?

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Old Apr 23rd 2018, 10:20 am
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I am excessively uneasy about pre-judgement, here. The range of potential culpability ranges from none to complete. This was an emergency at relatively low height. Perhaps the pilot saw a clear area of beach, but could not make it. Perhaps he panicked, leading to an error of judgement. Perhaps he did aim for the sea, but where he was headed there was a mass of swimmers. Perhaps those swimmers were young children, and he had to decide in a flash who to try and save? Or perhaps he decided that it would be fun to kill some people.

Sorting this out is what the law is for.
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Originally Posted by Ingles View Post
In todays PT Press.
The Air Accident Investigators Report has been finally been published.
The engine failed because off fuel starvation , the float in the carburettor "stuck in the closed position"
The report states that further test will be carried out on the engine etc - etc
Is it usual for Air Accident Investigators to publish a report before their investigation, including testing, is complete?
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