mfesharne

I don't think I made post #22 but please post the quote where I speculated?

All I'm trying to do is explain there are endless possible scenarios of what could have happened & that speculation is pointless & almost certainly wrong.

A very good example of pointless speculation by the media on such subjects is Malaysia Airlines 370 where we've seen the media suggesting everything from mad pilots to aliens to bombs to technical failure in the 3 years or so since it disappeared.

Pulaski

Well unless someone has hacked your account, you made post #22.

In fairness your post(s) are more in the nature of stated "facts", despite not having been in the plane when the engine reportedly failed, rather than "speculation".

And so you have been helpfully providing examples?

Ingles

NO !
And it's because, once blame is attributed as too "who" or "what" caused the engine to stop functioning, there will surely be Court Proceedings issued by the families who lost there kin.

+ The Pilots flippant comment "I'm not sorry I landed on the beach" is going to come back to haunt him I hope.

mfesharne

OK. I was reading the post number below the post as referring to that post & I should have been reading the number above it....... Sorry for the confusion.

However, that post says:

"Trust me when I say he might have had some control but he won't have had anything like full control & the weight of that engine plus two adult men plus low altitude & a hot day would have meant that as soon as he lost power, that aircraft would have the handling characteristics of a house brick & no matter how good the pilot is, he or she can never defeat the rules of physics.

There are endless possibilities but as I keep saying, it's never a good idea to try to outguess an air accident investigation.

I don't know if the investigation has been completed or if it has or will be made public but I'd be interested to read it's conclusions"

Now what part of that statement is speculation?

As I see it that is a statement of fact.

EMR

Did he say it in English ?
Or is just a journalists interpretation ?
Someone must know ?

mrken30

Not quite, it has a 7:1 glide ratio. All pilots practice power off landings during their training. Landing on water, especially the sea is a last resort , especially if you do not have sea plane endorsement. The problem would be to get maximum range you need a tail wind, to get lowest ground speed on landing you need a head wind. The plane is still perfectly flyable with no engine power.

mfesharne

We'll have to disagee on that I'm afraid.

Any powered aircraft loses a large part of it's flying ability as soon as it's engine(s) fail & (assuming the reports are basically correct) the engine failed soon after take off & from that moment on physics takes over...... sure, the instructor pilot can take over & make the most of what he has available but the rules of physics can never be beaten.

If an aircraft with a failed engine remained 'perfectly flyable' it'd still be in the air & working on the same principle US1549 wouldn't have had to go down on the Hudson river.

The rules of physics can never be beaten.

mrken30

It becomes a glider, but not a very good one. However thermals do help. It's not like a car that becomes almost impossible to steer or brake because of failed hydraulics. The Hudson incident is a little different because the plane has a lot of assisted controls unlike a cessna that uses cables.

mfesharne

Precious little usable thermals at that height in that aircraft etc & no need of an APU for that aircraft..... The physics are (as always) the ruling factor

mrken30

Exactly, if the pilot got to 1000ft agl, he would have to find a landing spot up to just over a mile away within 30 degrees either side. Realistically it's less than a mile because you check for fuel, mixture, carb heat, magnetos,master, primer before you check for somewhere to land.

mfesharne

Exactly my point. He has little control or options after the engine quit & can only take advantage of what the rules of physics decree & I'd guess he didn't make anything like 1000 ft agl..... so rather than hurl unprovable blame let's wait for the conclusions of the investigation?

Ingles

This was reported in PT Press !

EMR

Not disputing that.
Was the report in English correct ?

Ingles

Why don't you find out yourself !

EMR

I do not speak Portuguese , nor would rely on Google translate.
I would hope that one of our fluent Portuguese speakers would know..