mfesharne

Richard Henshall: It's an Afrikaans word that means something similar to 'depart in a flurry of sexual endeavour' but similar to the Dutch.

RichardHenshall

Ah! A non-EU word then!

Diddion

...but clearly a most useful word. One to remember and to use frequently.

dingg

VOETSAK!!!!

Diddion

Speak for yourself!

Red Eric

No, I haven't missed your point at all. I understood perfectly what you said. You, on the other hand, appear to have totally ignored my points, which are fully borne out by the link which Richard, very unassumingly and with his usual degree of helpfulness, slipped in there A read of it and the link to the rules for family members of Dutch citizens might be most instructive for you.

And when you have, you'll see that the civic integration test (which includes a language element) only applies in the case of non-EU spouses of Dutch citizens and not to non-EU spouses of other EU citizens, who have a much reduced burden in terms of getting registered and can enlist assistance from the EU in the event of any awkwardness on the part of any national authority refusing it.

Objecting to it seems to be a minefield all of its own.

I think I'll continue with the use of EU citizen / non-EU citizen, just for the sake of brevity and clarity, if it's all the same to you.

You are correct on one matter which is actually of relevance to the OP, though and that is the ease with which non-EU spouses of Portuguese nationals can get registered in Portugal. It rests on the principle that it will always be at least as easy as the process for non-EU spouses of other EU nationals, thus avoiding the distasteful discrepancies which arise in the UK and the Netherlands.

mfesharne

You cannot get away from the fact of what the definition of the word 'Citizen' is not can you get away from the fact that the EU is not a country but rather a trading block of member states which means you cannot be a Citizen of a trading block which means you cannot be an EU Citizen.

People can identify as anything they like including an EU Citizen, a tooth fairy or even a diamond studded unicorn but that doesn't mean they actually are one.

Hell: I'd like to identify as a lottery winner but I doubt anyone will give me the money I believe I'm entitled to. lol!

mfesharne

I guess it's just habit or possibly old age but I often find myself talking to my animals in African languages or at least using African expressions in conversations but I just don't realise it until afterwards................... Some must think I'm barking mad.

RichardHenshall

Who are we to argue?

sherbert

Well that went off piste very quickly! Long and short of the story: do not register myself in PT until I am there!

mfesharne

That tends to happen sometimes but the short answer is ja. Sorry yebo. Sorry Ndio. Sorry. YES. Wait until you're here as no matter what happens with Brexit you'll still have the right to both residency & citizenship.

Red Eric

I think you were doing reasonably OK (other than that the EU clearly is not simply a trading bloc but we'll skip that for the time being), until you got to the final clause.

Would you regard the EU as a political community?

Diddion

Definitely the wiser course of action, I would say.

EU.flag

Damn right you're going off topic and splitting hairs!
You just cant drop damn thing can you?

STOP quoting dictionary as source for challenging legal wording in international treaties & documents.
If concept of EU citizen is eating you so much, go for group hug at local brexit party working men club.

Shanorme

I don't think you can get away from the fact that the term "EU Citizen" is an official term, as used by members of the EU. Here is one example: https://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/s...your-rights_en