Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Ana Gomes MEP has written to 3 EU Commissioners requesting that they inform the PT government that the Non Habitual Resident tax scheme is in breach of 2 articles of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and instigate an immediate investigation into the negative impacts on Portugal and on other member states.
Can't say I'd hold out too much hope of it's getting a sympathetic or action-packed response (although you never know - they're apparently currently investigating Golden Visa schemes) but it makes for interesting reading :) Tax dumping in Portugal |
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Unfortunately for Ana
The scheme does not discriminate at all. Its open to all individuals no matter what nationality as long as not tax payers in portugal for 5 years. |
Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Originally Posted by dingg
(Post 12651373)
Unfortunately for Ana
The scheme does not discriminate at all. Its open to all individuals no matter what nationality as long as not tax payers in portugal for 5 years. Those with incomes much lower than migrants or part time migrants taking advantage of NHR... |
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It is open to anyone who has not been tax resident for 5 years..
ANYONE Thus not discriminatory. |
Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Originally Posted by dingg
(Post 12651464)
It is open to anyone who has not been tax resident for 5 years..
ANYONE Thus not discriminatory. Discriminatory unfair and abused. |
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Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 12651417)
Yes it does discriminate, it is not available to Portuguese residents. ...
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Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
This is available to returning Portuguese Citizens, nonresidents who have been out of Portugal for more than 5 years. The same rule applies and is not therefore discriminatory.
I cannot think of a tax set up anywhere that is not discriminatory is some aspects. Nothing illegal about being discriminatory on taxation issues, unless specifically legislated for. where there is room for interpretation, being discriminatory may be the intent. |
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It's obvious that Ana Gomes is well aware that the scheme is open to Portuguese nationals as she makes a point of mentioning the numbers who have acquired the status in her letter. However, discrimination isn't the only grounds for her complaint - although as a law graduate with a further course specifically on Community Law and years of very active service as an MEP under her belt, we can probably assume she knows both what constitutes discrimination and how the Commission might see that aspect of her complaint in this particular case.
The Commission itself has a somewhat elastic definition, judging by a previous opinion of theirs involving Portugal. They deemed the system of exemptions and discounts available when tolls were first introduced on the ex SCUT roads for those residents who acquired a transponder and satisfied a couple of other conditions to be discriminatory on the grounds of nationality, despite the fact that as long as you satisfied the conditions, it didn't matter what nationality you were. |
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Just goes to show that not all forms of discrimination are unlawful. just those discrimination's that are mandated against under law.
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Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12652000)
It's obvious that Ana Gomes is well aware that the scheme is open to Portuguese nationals as she makes a point of mentioning the numbers who have acquired the status in her letter. However, discrimination isn't the only grounds for her complaint - although as a law graduate with a further course specifically on Community Law and years of very active service as an MEP under her belt, we can probably assume she knows both what constitutes discrimination and how the Commission might see that aspect of her complaint in this particular case.
The Commission itself has a somewhat elastic definition, judging by a previous opinion of theirs involving Portugal. They deemed the system of exemptions and discounts available when tolls were first introduced on the ex SCUT roads for those residents who acquired a transponder and satisfied a couple of other conditions to be discriminatory on the grounds of nationality, despite the fact that as long as you satisfied the conditions, it didn't matter what nationality you were. |
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Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12652494)
It's interesting that she ,as a Portuguese MP -MEP? is making this complaint.
Originally Posted by GeniB
(Post 12652494)
I wonder therefore if she has been unduly influenced by the Dutch,who are the main complainants ?
As it happens, she is a vice chair of the European Parliament Special Committee on Financial Crimes, Tax Evasion and Tax Avoidance but I'm sure that appointment comes about as a result of her previous work rather than its being the prompt for her intervention in this case. |
Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Asking for an investigation doesn't necessarily mean she opposes the scheme; perhaps she's confident in its legality, but wants that to be nailed down.
But in politics, this sort of thing is political. By asking for an investigation, she gets political points, regardless of the eventual findings. |
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I'm not sure what political points you think she might be trying to score but she's not standing for re-election to the European Parliament in the upcoming elections on a point of principle. She believes in limitation of mandates and is standing down as she's already served 3 terms.
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Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12652904)
I'm not sure what political points you think she might be trying to score but she's not standing for re-election to the European Parliament in the upcoming elections on a point of principle. She believes in limitation of mandates and is standing down as she's already served 3 terms.
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Hmmm, the document says most people on NHR scheme register no high value added activity. But I am actually going to practise high value added activity and found it’s really difficult to get help on tax issues ! 😕 is it because it’s rare? |
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Can you define "high value added activity" because I spend all my money here and not in France, Germany or any other EU country.
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Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Originally Posted by waterhobo
(Post 12663025)
Can you define "high value added activity" because I spend all my money here and not in France, Germany or any other EU country.
Table of activities considered of high added value according to the provisions of Art. 72, n.º 6 and Art 81, nº 5 of the Personal Income Tax Code (CIRS): 1 - Architects, engineers and similar: 101 - Architects 102 - Engineers 103 - Geologists 2 - Visual artists, actors and musicians: 201 - Theater, ballet, cinema, radio and television artists 202 - Singers 203 - Sculptors 204 - Musicians 205 - Painters 3 - Auditors: 301 - Auditors 302 – Tax Consultants 4 - Doctors and dentists: 401 - Dentists 402 - Medical Analysts 403 - Clinical Surgeons 404 - Ship’s doctor 405 - General Practitioners 406 - Dentists 407 - Clinical dentists 408 - Medical physiatrists 409 - Gastroenterologists 410 - Ophthalmologists 411 – Orthopedic Surgeon 412 - ENT(Ear Nose and Throat) specialists 413 -Pediatricians 414 - Radiologists 415 - Doctors from other specialties 5 - Teachers: 501 - Professors 6 - Psychologists: 601 - Psychologists 7 - Liberal Professionals, technicians and alike: 701 - Archaeologists 702 - Biologists and life sciences experts 703 - Computer Programmers 704 - Software consultant and activities related to information technology and computing 705 – Computer programming activities 706 - Computer consultancy activities 707 - Management and operation of computer equipment 708 – Data services 709 - Data processing, hosting and related activities; Web portals 710 - Data processing, hosting and related activities 711 - Other data service activities 712 – News agencies 713 - Other information service activities 714 - Scientific research and development 715 - Research and experimental development on natural sciences and engineering 716 - Research and development in biotechnology 717 - Designers 8 - Investors, Managers and Directors: 801 - Investors, Directors and managers of companies that promote productive investment, as long as they are connected to projects and concession contracts that are eligible for tax benefits per the Investment Tax Code (Código Fiscal) 802 - Upper Management |
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Thanks for that. Interesting, so high value is about contribution to society and not just money.
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Originally Posted by waterhobo
(Post 12663521)
Thanks for that. Interesting, so high value is about contribution to society and not just money.
You don't need to have a lot of money for NHR either, it's not dependant on your income (that's the Golden Visa). Even on a small pension you can be accepted & benefit from the NHR scheme. |
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Originally Posted by AliceCaroline
(Post 12663637)
Yep.
You don't need to have a lot of money for NHR either, it's not dependant on your income (that's the Golden Visa). Even on a small pension you can be accepted & benefit from the NHR scheme. |
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Ok sounds interesting but where is the benefit in this case. Is the rental income not taxed then for 10 years like your pension.
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Re: Portuguese MEP asks Commission to investigate NHR
Originally Posted by waterhobo
(Post 12663801)
Ok sounds interesting but where is the benefit in this case. Is the rental income not taxed then for 10 years like your pension.
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I wonder if any one here actually declared high value activity when applying for NHR. I applied NHR and approved. But there was no such option, but I intend to work in such activity. |
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Originally Posted by qianh
(Post 12663967)
I wonder if any one here actually declared high value activity when applying for NHR. I applied NHR and approved. But there was no such option, but I intend to work in such activity. |
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Originally Posted by Mac and Mabel
(Post 12664102)
From memory, when we applied online, somewhere in the process, perhaps at the end, the application advised that if you are carrying out one of the high value added activities you must send to the given address evidence, and it gave a suggestion of suitable types of evidence, in order that that activity could be approved and the correct code added to your NHR status. Until such time, everybody is given a default code, I believe 888, indicating no high value added activity on record. Have a look on the AT portal again. I believe that if you don’t do that part, NHR rules won’t be applied to your activity income. |
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Ahem ….. sorry to interrupt the tutorial on applying for and benefiting from the scheme but just to return to the original topic for a moment, here is the response to Ana Gomes' letter from Pierre Moscovici, the European Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs, Taxation and Customs.
Reply from Commissioner Moscovici to the letter concerning the tax exemption to non-habitual residents |
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sounds like there's no threat to NHR from the EU then.
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Originally Posted by waterhobo
(Post 12674724)
sounds like there's no threat to NHR from the EU then.
Which is hardly a big surprise, given the longevity of the scheme and the fact that the Commission could hardly have failed to be fully aware of it for all of that time. The last paragraph does seem to indicate the possibility of future frowning, though. It also seems in keeping with public statements made by the PM and the Finance Minister about Portugal's willingness to discuss concerns with other member states and agree some amendments as part of a look at the overall situation in the EU, as opposed to PT making unilateral concessions. |
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Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12652000)
It's obvious that Ana Gomes is well aware that the scheme is open to Portuguese nationals as she makes a point of mentioning the numbers who have acquired the status in her letter. However, discrimination isn't the only grounds for her complaint - although as a law graduate with a further course specifically on Community Law and years of very active service as an MEP under her belt, we can probably assume she knows both what constitutes discrimination and how the Commission might see that aspect of her complaint in this particular case.
The Commission itself has a somewhat elastic definition, judging by a previous opinion of theirs involving Portugal. They deemed the system of exemptions and discounts available when tolls were first introduced on the ex SCUT roads for those residents who acquired a transponder and satisfied a couple of other conditions to be discriminatory on the grounds of nationality, despite the fact that as long as you satisfied the conditions, it didn't matter what nationality you were. |
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Of course if I am correct in that view^^ it gives the commission fairly wide discretion to determine 'proportionate' and 'legitimate'
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Not sure I understand part of the statement that said that 'Those that are already permanently resident in Portugal have NOT EXERCISED THEIR EU FREEDOMS ? What does that mean ?
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