Loafing Along

Everything is relative - looking from the outside second-hand cars seem expensive, once you are in the market it does not matter as everyone buys and sells under the same conditions .

TonyJ1

One car per taxpayer (provided the car has been in that persons name for at least 6 months). No restriction whether nhr status or not - rules apply for all new residents and returning emigrants (nationals) as well (often they don't have the paperwork in order - but that is another matter)

peterfc

Everything i have needed the local car shop can get normally the same day or next day from Spain.
Labour here is 20€ per hour.

suiko

Thanks, all!

wellinever

Just looking at road tax in Portugal....
AS I stated earlier in this thread, my car is a Vauxhall Astra Twintop 1796 cc petrol producing 185gm CO2. (unlucky)
The car was first registered in UK on 14th July 2007.
So if I was to import it the annual road tax would be................................................ .................................................. .......... €314pa
If the car had been first registered in the UK in June 2007 or before the annual road tax would be.................................... €140pa

But now if I look, for example at a 1996cc BMW diesel first registered in UK before July 2007 that would cost .................. €43pa

liveaboard

My 2 liter diesel year 2000 costs [as I recall] around E43.
On the other hand my petrol 2.3 liter car costs E240 or so. It would be the same rate if it was 2 liter, but more if it's over 2.6 liters.

Why are petrol cars despised while diesel is noble?

No, not for the environment. Diesel is arguably worse, and certainly no better.

Red Eric

So what would that last one be if it was registered post July 2007?

wellinever

something like a BMW 1996 diesel with between 120 - 180gm CO2
€228 if 2007 (after July)
€238 if 2008
€249 if 2009
€259 if between 2010 and 2016

Loafing Along

In 2000 diesel was still considered a "better" fuel it was only later people discovered how bad it is for the environment

Red Eric

And over 180 gm emissions? Just so we're comparing apples with apples.

suiko

Surely there's a strong chance that diesel will be banned altogether within a few years? Some cities have already done this?

liveaboard

It was known LONG before that; and diesel has been taxed at a far lower rate than petrol since ww2, since the times when 'environment' hadn't been heard of yet.

I don't really love either substance, I just find it odd that new reasons are always popping up to maintain the historical tax structure.

Red Eric

I don't think new reasons are being found for maintaining the historical tax structure - it's simply a case of maintaining the old structure for vehicles registered before the rules changed, which seems the logical thing to do. You have a legacy period during which those vehicles circulate in ever decreasing numbers and you change buying considerations for current and future purchasers.

Imagine the furore if the circulation tax on existing vehicles had been calculated under the new tables when they were introduced and people found themselves stuck with a bill ten times higher overnight. Especially in a country where so many peoples' finances are so delicately balanced and own transport more a necessity than a luxury for many.

coleio

Which cities have banned diesel? i've only seen some have restricted some diesel vehicles and that does not mean diesel will be banned altogether as the majority of goods transported by road and the majority of coaches, fire engines, cranes etc, are diesel fueled so things like shops getting stock or delivery of building materials would be an issue if there no diesel. Here;s some EU info (a few years ago) about Portugal car fuel consumption and it'll take quite a time for all the car diesel fueled kilometers to be replaced by car petrol/LPG or electric kilometers and as they are finding elsewhere the country does not produce enough electricity to charge any significant change in electric car numbers with particularly solar being available daytime but cars on charge nighttime. in 2016 car fuel consumption per inhabitant was 0.53 toe (+2.1% compared to 2015). Overall, 5.2 million tonnes of car fuel (as measured through sales by distribution companies) were consumed, accountingfor a 1.9% increase compared to 2015. Diesel accounted for the highest share of consumption, with 79.1% of the total. LPG consumption (auto gas) increased further (+4.1% compared to 2015), reaching 37 thousand tonnes, while gasoline consumption decreased 2.6% compared to 2015, reaching around 1.1 million tonnes of car fuel.

liveaboard

Amsterdam has announced a ban on all transport emissions from the city center in a few years.
Delivery vehicles and taxis are included, boats too. Everyone is going electric.
Most goods for delivery are transshipped at nearby depots anyway, so it's not actually that hard. The technology exists and is mature, but people will only pay the extra cost if they're required to do so.
I am a case in point; converting my work boat to electric drive is costing me a lot, even though I'm a champion DIY corner cutter.
My boat only moves a few times a year, so conversion would never make financial sense for me.

I asked about emergency vehicles [fire trucks??] but no one seems to know yet.

Whether diesel is more polluting than petrol depends on what pollutants you decide to measure, under which driving conditions.
Researchers can easily reach whichever conclusion is required.