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Old Jan 25th 2020, 7:53 pm
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Orange blossom. I am glad this came up. I assume that you mean Portuguese resident, rather than EU citizen! Since you obtained residency during 2019 and never before, the following important issues apply:
  • your first tax year of residency is 2019. Since you have this, you have started the clock ticking on NHR.
  • If you wait until after 31 March 2020 you will not be eligible for NHR - unless you spend another 5 years as non-resident.
So, unless you intend putting everything on hold for 5 years, I think it essential to apply immediately. Note, though, that your first NHR year will actually be the year during which you obtained residency: all of 2019, even though you actually only got it at the end. So you have 9 years of NHR benefits available.

Remember of course you need to submit tax returns to Portugal. We used a well regarded local solicitor, at a cost of 40 euros each. The submission window is 1 April to 31 June following the end of the previous tax year. You must obtain your login from the accountant - if accountants use other methods of login, then do act promptly and obtain your own.

You asked about the end or alteration of NHR. It is under consideration, and is not known whether any changes might apply to existing or only to new applicants. Almost everything is speculation, and there is no concrete information, which will, however, be in the public domain once the state budget is confirmed, which I believe will be on or about February 9. I have read that any changes will not be retrospective, and will apply from March 1. Whilst that, too, might be mere speculation, it makes sense for anybody considering NHR to do so as soon as possible since, as I have said, if one is eligible to apply for NHR, there are no costs or downsides for doing so.
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Old Jan 25th 2020, 8:28 pm
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There is no such thing as an EU citizen as can be proved by looking up the definition of 'EU' & the word 'citizen'.

That might not at first sound important until you try to claim the same citizen's rights in a number of EU member states as many vary dramatically.
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Old Jan 26th 2020, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Diddion
Remember of course you need to submit tax returns to Portugal. We used a well regarded local solicitor, at a cost of 40 euros each. The submission window is 1 April to 31 June following the end of the previous tax year. You must obtain your login from the accountant - if accountants use other methods of login, then do act promptly and obtain your own.
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OK, question unrelated to EU/UK citizens; I pay zero taxes in the USA & have no need to get any form of documentation, but the other end is that l would have nothing to show the Portuguese tax office?
How would l go on if l initially get residency?
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If you become (tax-)resident in Portugal you will be expected to declare worldwide income & gains to Portugal. Whether or not you might previously have paid no tax somewhere else is largely irrelevant as Portugal will decide for itself if and how much tax you should pay in Portugal (using, if relevant, the appropriate DTA).
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Old Jan 26th 2020, 4:13 pm
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However, you might be able to register for NHR status which will give you a 10 year tax holiday on some but not all overseas income.
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by Diddion
Orange blossom. I am glad this came up. I assume that you mean Portuguese resident, rather than EU citizen! Since you obtained residency during 2019 and never before, the following important issues apply:
  • your first tax year of residency is 2019. Since you have this, you have started the clock ticking on NHR.
  • If you wait until after 31 March 2020 you will not be eligible for NHR - unless you spend another 5 years as non-resident.
So, unless you intend putting everything on hold for 5 years, I think it essential to apply immediately.
I'm no expert I any of this side of things and the business of resident registration certificates vs actual residency / tax residency usually floors me when it's not just a straightforward permanent or semi-permanent move.

However, wouldn't the crucial points be whether a) the person, after registering residence with the Câmara, registered with Finanças as fiscally resident in Portugal and b) whether that is still the case at the time of applying for NHR?

The idea that someone can "bag" either residency rights or NHR status without actually being resident, except under somewhat different circumstances to those that appear to apply here, seems a bit odd to me.

I wonder how a Finanças officer would advise in this case? My suspicion would be not as above but that's just my own very inexpert assessment.
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 8:08 am
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This is what Price Waterhouse said in 2014 - it is unlikely to be any different now:

To be considered as a tax resident, the individual should remain for more than 183 days in Portugal during the relevant fiscal year or have a dwelling in Portugal at 31 December of that year with the intention to hold it as his or her habitual residence.

From their well known and much referred to web page: Price Waterhouse

This raises a couple of interesting questions, though.
  1. The word ‘considered’ may or may not indicate certainty. The sentence would be stronger if the word were not there, since ‘to be a tax resident’ is not necessarily the same as ‘to be considered as a tax resident’.
  2. The property question is that you own a property intended as a permanent home.....it does not say that it has to be occupied.
I am wondering if there are differences between residency and tax residency which are escaping me.....I suspect so.


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Old Jan 27th 2020, 11:02 am
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http://info.portaldasfinancas.gov.pt...ges/irs16.aspx would appear to confirm that things have changed since 2014!

1 - São residentes em território português as pessoas que, no ano a que respeitam os rendimentos:

a) Hajam nele permanecido mais de 183 dias, seguidos ou interpolados, em qualquer período de 12 meses com início ou fim no ano em causa;

b) Tendo permanecido por menos tempo, aí disponham, num qualquer dia do período referido na alínea anterior, de habitação em condições que façam supor intenção atual de a manter e ocupar como residência habitual;

c) Em 31 de dezembro, sejam tripulantes de navios ou aeronaves, desde que aqueles estejam ao serviço de entidades com residência, sede ou direção efetiva nesse território;

d) Desempenhem no estrangeiro funções ou comissões de carácter público, ao serviço do Estado Português.
Article 1 b) now applies on any day of the year, not just 31 December as previously. IMHO, that clause will only take effect when trying to trap someone in the Portuguese tax net that is otherwise appearing or attempting to avoid being treated as a (tax-)resident in Portugal, rather than being a clause which allows someone to claim (tax-)residency (to avail of NHR, for example).

It should also be remembered that another country may also be able to consider that someone is (tax-)resident there and it will be up to the tie-breaker clauses of the relevant DTA to determine which country's claim prevails.
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 11:11 am
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Now that is interesting, Richard! Any idea when it was changed?
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 11:15 am
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Below the text on each page are links to previous versions of each section of the Code. It seems that you have to go back two steps to a version that was in effect until 31/12/2014.
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardHenshall
http://info.portaldasfinancas.gov.pt...ges/irs16.aspx would appear to confirm that things have changed since 2014!



Article 1 b) now applies on any day of the year, not just 31 December as previously. IMHO, that clause will only take effect when trying to trap someone in the Portuguese tax net that is otherwise appearing or attempting to avoid being treated as a (tax-)resident in Portugal, rather than being a clause which allows someone to claim (tax-)residency (to avail of NHR, for example).

It should also be remembered that another country may also be able to consider that someone is (tax-)resident there and it will be up to the tie-breaker clauses of the relevant DTA to determine which country's claim prevails.
And that is precisely my understanding as well. As the OP appears, to all intents and purposes, to be fully resident in the UK at the moment and for an as yet indeterminate future period, I can't see how she could possibly claim to simultaneously be resident in Portugal, which she would have to do in order to apply for NHR status.
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Old Jan 27th 2020, 1:19 pm
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I think that if anyone wants to use regulatory loopholes, they really need to understand every relevant aspect of the regulations before doing so. From my point of view, if I were to be involved in that, I would hate to run the risk of being caught up in Portuguese investigations. From what I hear, appeals can take a long time and be extremely costly, even if successful.
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Fine by me if i don't end up becoming tax resident this year. i wasn't in the country for the relevant number of days last year and won't now be this year. What I am hoping to avoid is that somehow the financas automatically assumes 183 days after someone declares they have been resident for 90 days that they are to become fiscally resident in Portugal. As regarrds tie breakers UK would clearly win. It's now a question of whether I should contact financas to make this clear or whether it is best to leave well alone.
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Originally Posted by orangeblossom
Fine by me if i don't end up becoming tax resident this year. i wasn't in the country for the relevant number of days last year and won't now be this year. What I am hoping to avoid is that somehow the financas automatically assumes 183 days after someone declares they have been resident for 90 days that they are to become fiscally resident in Portugal. As regarrds tie breakers UK would clearly win. It's now a question of whether I should contact financas to make this clear or whether it is best to leave well alone.
To the best of my knowledge there is no tie-up between registering at the Câmara and an alteration to your tax residence status - you would personally have to alter that at a Finanças office. As you say you have avoided previously becoming resident, I assume you're sure that you haven't yet done that?
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Old Jan 28th 2020, 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by mfesharne
There is no such thing as an EU citizen as can be proved by looking up the definition of 'EU' & the word 'citizen'.

That might not at first sound important until you try to claim the same citizen's rights in a number of EU member states as many vary dramatically.
For our sanity sake, stop quoting you pointless dictionary.
Do you eat dictionary for breakfast every day? Any chance you give it a break?
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