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Old Feb 8th 2023, 3:24 am
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Default ETIAS - rules on EU entry once operational FYI

Look at this website for further info:

https://frontex.europa.eu/future-of-border-control/etias/

In particular read the subpage re: exemptions for Brits who are part of the withdrawal agreement.
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Old Feb 9th 2023, 1:35 am
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Thanks for posting that!
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Thanks for posting official link.
Interesting that Brits are specifically mentioned, but dont see why, as they fall in same category as any other non-EU national resident in EU.

What is missing from that link, is clear explanation who is exempt from ETIAS, beside EU and Schengen states nationals.
Exempt are ALL non-EU nationals residents in EU or holders of visa/permit for more then 90 days.

It's unlikely ETIAS will come in place this year.
However, it is interesting that airline staff will be checking passengers for ETIAS registration. As non-EU resident nationals dont need one, I expect there will be some confusion when one of those passengers gets to gate. Yes, they will be asked for residence card, but dont think it will be smooth ride.
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... Interesting that Brits are specifically mentioned, but dont see why, as they fall in same category as any other non-EU national resident in EU. ...
They're probably specifically mentioned to dispel the myth that Brits should automatically have special treatment.

However, Brits who have retained rights as pre-Brexit EU residents will be treated differently as they will retain rights more akin to EU nationals.

Originally Posted by EU.flag
... Exempt are ALL non-EU nationals residents in EU or holders of visa/permit for more then 90 days. ...
Are you sure? My reading suggests exemption from ETIAS at the external Schengen borders is mainly nationality based (except for residents of the country concerned). I think an American, resident in Portugal, would need ETIAS to travel from the UK into France.
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They're probably specifically mentioned to dispel the myth that Brits should automatically have special treatment.

However, Brits who have retained rights as pre-Brexit EU residents will be treated differently as they will retain rights more akin to EU nationals.



Are you sure? My reading suggests exemption from ETIAS at the external Schengen borders is mainly nationality based (except for residents of the country concerned). I think an American, resident in Portugal, would need ETIAS to travel from the UK into France.
And can only legally remain in any other EU country for 90 days
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Originally Posted by RichardHenshall
They're probably specifically mentioned to dispel the myth that Brits should automatically have special treatment.

However, Brits who have retained rights as pre-Brexit EU residents will be treated differently as they will retain rights more akin to EU nationals.



Are you sure? My reading suggests exemption from ETIAS at the external Schengen borders is mainly nationality based (except for residents of the country concerned). I think an American, resident in Portugal, would need ETIAS to travel from the UK into France.
Yes, I am sure. Main purpose of ETIAS is control of short term stay of up to 90 days, as any longer stay is under jurisdiction of each EU state national law.
Its on new ETIAS europa.eu web page, https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en. In one of sub-pages, cant recall which one.

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Originally Posted by EU.flag
... Its on new ETIAS europa.eu web page, https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en. In one of sub-pages, cant recall which one.
I stand corrected. It's here.
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This from Europe Direct some time ago -

Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.

Article 2 of the Regulation establishing a European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) provides for the scope of applicability of the Regulation. As per its Article 2, Paragraph 2(d), holders of residence permits referred to in point 16 of the Schengen Borders Code (EU 2016/399), e.g. long-term residents with freedom of movement rights, are not bound by the ETIAS Regulation. Therefore, as a third-country national with a residence permit in a Member State, you would not be required to obtain an ETIAS authorisation before travelling to the Schengen Area.
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so, good to know.....does that mean that a Brit with Brit passport and Residency in PT under WA rules (with bio card) can stay in any Schengen area country for more than 90 days without problems?
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Originally Posted by wellinever
so, good to know.....does that mean that a Brit with Brit passport and Residency in PT under WA rules (with bio card) can stay in any Schengen area country for more than 90 days without problems?
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No, still limited to 90/180 in Schengen except in country of residence. If travelling with EU citizen spouse/legal partner, no time limit except still have to register presence if in any country >90 days.
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So apart from being able to stay in Portugal only, for more than 180 days, in one stretch, each year, what do others consider are the other main benefits of being PT resident.?
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Originally Posted by wellinever
So apart from being able to stay in Portugal only, for more than 180 days, in one stretch, each year, what do others consider are the other main benefits of being PT resident.?
I assume most of those who have Portuguese residency want to be able to stay here as long as they like. They still have their 90/180 in other countries as an extra but, in effect, it's virtually limitless at the moment with no border checks. I see other benefits here as cheaper cost of living, lower crime rate, less anti-social behaviour, warmer. What's not to like?
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Originally Posted by GrahamF
I assume most of those who have Portuguese residency want to be able to stay here as long as they like. They still have their 90/180 in other countries as an extra but, in effect, it's virtually limitless at the moment with no border checks. I see other benefits here as cheaper cost of living, lower crime rate, less anti-social behaviour, warmer. What's not to like?
LOL.......as has become usual for last 5 years at least, Winters in Algarve are almost as cold (ie you cant go out in the garden) as in my part of East Anglia in UK (where there is also less rain than Algarve during winter), as for cheap, apart from Council tax, and tobacco I find it difficult to find anything cheaper in the Algarve, certainly not food or eating out. Anti social behaviour like allowing your dogs to bark 24 hours a day in Algarve (where I am), never had that in UK ever in 70 years, anti social behaviour is again local, I would walk around at night where i am from in UK rather than where I am in PT. And now with non residents having same tax benefits (apart from crazy reinvestment in EU having been scrapped) on property sale, I must admit to finding it difficult to justify being a resident.
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LOL.......as has become usual for last 5 years at least, Winters in Algarve are almost as cold (ie you cant go out in the garden) as in my part of East Anglia in UK (where there is also less rain than Algarve during winter), as for cheap, apart from Council tax, and tobacco I find it difficult to find anything cheaper in the Algarve, certainly not food or eating out. Anti social behaviour like allowing your dogs to bark 24 hours a day in Algarve (where I am), never had that in UK ever in 70 years, anti social behaviour is again local, I would walk around at night where i am from in UK rather than where I am in PT. And now with non residents having same tax benefits (apart from crazy reinvestment in EU having been scrapped) on property sale, I must admit to finding it difficult to justify being a resident.
Honest post.
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Originally Posted by wellinever
Anti social behaviour like allowing your dogs to bark 24 hours a day in Algarve (where I am), never had that in UK ever in 70 years..............
You're not the only one who finds dogs barking at night anti social.
https://www.homepagejuridica.pt/noti...oKZjIubWtpEQJs
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