Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12804587)
I'm not sure what significance passports have - I was just pointing out that those items are not actually contradictory.
A EUMS passport holder will drive the car in & can register residency as a right so can pretty well plan when to do that (pretty much) down to the hour of the particular day, whereas a holder of a non EUMS passport will (dependent on situation) be applying for a visa such as GV or one of the Type D variants or citizenship through marriage, descent or (now) ascent & won't be able to be certain what day, let alone what time that residency will be granted & that of course makes the timing of when to start the matriculation process a bit of a lottery so much harder for them. By contradictory, I was referring to one law saying a foreign registered car may only remain in PT for 6 months before beginning the matriculation process or being returned to the country of registration for 6 further months whilst another says 12 months to begin the process but the 2nd half of that period would mean the vehicle was here illegally................ Which is why people would be well advised to consider 6 months as the limit & better to get it done sooner rather than later. Which in turn makes it even harder for the non EUMS passport holders............. Especially as SEF have such long waiting periods to get an appointment. Muito complicado as they say here. ;) |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by mfesharne
(Post 12804519)
..............a PT registered trailer or caravan cannot be legally towed by a PT registered car.
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Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12804576)
Unless, of course, you and the car don't arrive in Portugal at the same time.
You could fulfil the ownership / residency conditions in the country of origin, arrive in Portugal and deal with importing your car 11 months later. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Bomber Harris
(Post 12804736)
That's not right, it is totally legal for a PT registered car to tow a PT registered trailer.
I should have said a PT car can ONLY tow a PT registered trailer or caravan. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
I'm sure there will be better threads on which to thrash out the details of exactly how non-EU citizens can both comply with all the requirements and benefit from the exemption from ISV when transferring residence, seeing as that's going to be such an issue for UK citizens come next year.
However, just one observation on the foregoing - none of the usually reliable websites mentions having to produce a residency registration certificate or resident visa for Portugal as part of the process, so it may be that the importation can at least be started without one having yet been issued. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12804947)
I'm sure there will be better threads on which to thrash out the details of exactly how non-EU citizens can both comply with all the requirements and benefit from the exemption from ISV when transferring residence, seeing as that's going to be such an issue for UK citizens come next year.
However, just one observation on the foregoing - none of the usually reliable websites mentions having to produce a residency registration certificate or resident visa for Portugal as part of the process, so it may be that the importation can at least be started without one having yet been issued. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12804947)
... However, just one observation on the foregoing - none of the usually reliable websites mentions having to produce a residency registration certificate or resident visa for Portugal as part of the process, so it may be that the importation can at least be started without one having yet been issued.
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Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by RichardHenshall
(Post 12805002)
I could be wrong but can't anyone, including non-residents, import a vehicle? They can certainly own a Portuguese car. The (new) residency condition only affects the rate of ISV to be paid at import, not the import process itself, and presumably comes later in the process.
That said, there is talk of ordinary residents getting a similar concession for 1 vehicle per person per 10 years but that hasn't happened yet & there has been talk of it several times before. I haven't looked into it much but am told by PT friends that it used to be available many years ago but was scrapped. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by mfesharne
(Post 12804965)
The concession is a new immigrant concession & one is only a new immigrant when the Residencia is granted & until it is granted the applicant is a tourist & therefore not eligible for the new immigrant tax free concession because he/she is not a new immigrant. lol! ;)
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Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Bomber Harris
(Post 12805006)
It isn't a "new immigrant" concession, it's available to anyone who transfers their residence to Portugal, including returning Portuguese citizens.
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Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by mfesharne
(Post 12804965)
The concession is a new immigrant concession & one is only a new immigrant when the Residencia is granted & until it is granted the applicant is a tourist & therefore not eligible for the new immigrant tax free concession because he/she is not a new immigrant. lol! ;)
I'm not interested enough at the moment to pursue this to the death, it's just a curiosity and a suggestion that maybe the requirements at the outset possibly allow for the initiation of the process pending the conclusion of other formalities. It would be a good thing, though, if in the future we could somehow manage to arrive at a lucid, achievable description of the sequence and the requirements as opposed to a confusing mass of how difficult it is because of alleged conflicts. I'm fairly sure the concession is there to be availed of by those who qualify and not simply turned down out of hand or made impossible to request, so I think I'll reserve judgement on the actual documentation required at any stage until I come across something which can be relied upon and which adds to what is already on the official sites. I'm actually quite intrigued by the notion of somebody arriving in this country with a houseful of possessions and a car without a clue as to whether they'll be granted a residency visa but that's another matter. We're way off the topic originally raised now though, so (and with apologies to the OP for the lengthy detour) I'll make this my last comment on this particular matter on this thread.
Originally Posted by RichardHenshall
(Post 12805002)
I could be wrong but can't anyone, including non-residents, import a vehicle? They can certainly own a Portuguese car. The (new) residency condition only affects the rate of ISV to be paid at import, not the import process itself, and presumably comes later in the process.
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Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by mfesharne
(Post 12805008)
I don't mean new imigrant as in (only) never lived in PT before but rather what the Govt considers new immigrant & that does indeed include returning former emigres who have not lived in PT for 5 + years..........
Try 2 years instead of "5+ years" for a returning Portguese citizen to claim a tax free import. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by Bomber Harris
(Post 12805016)
Why use the phrase "new immigrant" if that isn't what you meant?
Try 2 years instead of "5+ years" for a returning Portguese citizen to claim a tax free import. But I think you'll find it is 5+ years & the same time limit also applies to the Regresso Program. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
Originally Posted by mfesharne
(Post 12805018)
Because that's how most of the legislation refer to the concession.
But I think you'll find it is 5+ years & the same time limit also applies to the Regresso Program. Estão isentos de imposto os veículos da propriedade de pessoas, maiores de 18 anos, que transfiram a sua residência de um Estado-Membro da União Europeia ou de país terceiro para território nacional, desde que estejam reunidas as condições estabelecidas nos artigos 59.º e 60.º. (Redação dada pela Lei n.º 114/2017, de 29 de dezembro) I don't know about the Regresso Program (which is something completely different), but Subsection 3 of the ISV legislation quite clearly states it's 2 years for returning Portuguese citizens. |
Re: Driving UK plated car in Portugal
The translation of your quote is last para below but doesn't relly refer to the case in point & doesn't even have mention of a time period but the entire legislation is considerably longer than just a few words & I think you'll find it is 5 years.
On a broader note, all legislation seems to be related somewhere & the Simplex & Regresso programs are a good example where one enables the other. https://www.simplex.gov.pt/ https://iefponline.iefp.pt/IEFP/veRe...CNyHr5uCzdATYA Vehicles of the property of persons, over 18 years of age, who transfer their residence from a Member State of the European Union or from a third country to national territory, provided that the conditions laid down in Articles 59 and 60 are met. (Drafting given by Law No. 114/2017 of 29 December) |
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