December Lock-Down
#46
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Re: December Lock-Down
This is what appears here for Portuguese citizens and the UK .....https://portaldascomunidades.mne.gov...rexit-cidadaos
My question is does this same June30th Deadline apply the other way round for Brits claiming residence in Portugal?
Datas relevantes a ter em conta:
31 de janeiro de 2020 – data de saída do Reino Unido da União Europeia.
1 de fevereiro de 2020 a 31 de dezembro de 2020 - período de transição.
30 de junho de 2021 – data limite para os cidadãos europeus residentes no Reino Unido submeterem candidaturas ao estatuto de residente.
1 de janeiro de 2021 - termina a livre circulação de cidadãos da UE e entra em vigor um sistema de imigração unificado para todas as nacionalidades e baseado em competências profissionais.
Translated:
Relevant dates to take into account:
31 January 2020 - date of departure of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
February 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020 - transition period.
30 June 2021 - deadline for European citizens residing in the UK to apply for resident status.
1 January 2021 - free movement of EU citizens ends and a unified immigration system for all nationalities and based on professional skills comes into force.
My question is does this same June30th Deadline apply the other way round for Brits claiming residence in Portugal?
Datas relevantes a ter em conta:
31 de janeiro de 2020 – data de saída do Reino Unido da União Europeia.
1 de fevereiro de 2020 a 31 de dezembro de 2020 - período de transição.
30 de junho de 2021 – data limite para os cidadãos europeus residentes no Reino Unido submeterem candidaturas ao estatuto de residente.
1 de janeiro de 2021 - termina a livre circulação de cidadãos da UE e entra em vigor um sistema de imigração unificado para todas as nacionalidades e baseado em competências profissionais.
Translated:
Relevant dates to take into account:
31 January 2020 - date of departure of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
February 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020 - transition period.
30 June 2021 - deadline for European citizens residing in the UK to apply for resident status.
1 January 2021 - free movement of EU citizens ends and a unified immigration system for all nationalities and based on professional skills comes into force.
#47
Re: December Lock-Down
This is what appears here for Portuguese citizens and the UK .....https://portaldascomunidades.mne.gov...rexit-cidadaos
My question is does this same June30th Deadline apply the other way round for Brits claiming residence in Portugal?
Datas relevantes a ter em conta:
31 de janeiro de 2020 – data de saída do Reino Unido da União Europeia.
1 de fevereiro de 2020 a 31 de dezembro de 2020 - período de transição.
30 de junho de 2021 – data limite para os cidadãos europeus residentes no Reino Unido submeterem candidaturas ao estatuto de residente.
1 de janeiro de 2021 - termina a livre circulação de cidadãos da UE e entra em vigor um sistema de imigração unificado para todas as nacionalidades e baseado em competências profissionais.
Translated:
Relevant dates to take into account:
31 January 2020 - date of departure of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
February 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020 - transition period.
30 June 2021 - deadline for European citizens residing in the UK to apply for resident status.
1 January 2021 - free movement of EU citizens ends and a unified immigration system for all nationalities and based on professional skills comes into force.
My question is does this same June30th Deadline apply the other way round for Brits claiming residence in Portugal?
Datas relevantes a ter em conta:
31 de janeiro de 2020 – data de saída do Reino Unido da União Europeia.
1 de fevereiro de 2020 a 31 de dezembro de 2020 - período de transição.
30 de junho de 2021 – data limite para os cidadãos europeus residentes no Reino Unido submeterem candidaturas ao estatuto de residente.
1 de janeiro de 2021 - termina a livre circulação de cidadãos da UE e entra em vigor um sistema de imigração unificado para todas as nacionalidades e baseado em competências profissionais.
Translated:
Relevant dates to take into account:
31 January 2020 - date of departure of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
February 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020 - transition period.
30 June 2021 - deadline for European citizens residing in the UK to apply for resident status.
1 January 2021 - free movement of EU citizens ends and a unified immigration system for all nationalities and based on professional skills comes into force.
https://imigrante.sef.pt/en/brexit/
#49
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Re: December Lock-Down
I have tried to get an appointment to talk with my local SEF......nothing doing no one answers the phone, the same calling the central SEF, in order to get an appointment.
All I want to know is if it will be possible to apply for residency in Portugal up until 30th June 2021, with the same requirements as today. I personally couldn`t care less about WA agreement protection just a yes or no, as I will never want a long term residency.
I am not sure what the Reds comment means (taken from Q and A)..........I viewed a Q & A with the British Embassy on matters of residence in which they explicitly stated that UK nationals arriving before the end of the transition period would have until 30th June 2021 to obtain a registration certificate.
I am assuming that what is meant is ability to obtain a temp residency certificate as now....ie Documtenation
Or would anyone doing this not be covered by the WA and therefore, not for example be able to sign on for free Health??
All I want to know is if it will be possible to apply for residency in Portugal up until 30th June 2021, with the same requirements as today. I personally couldn`t care less about WA agreement protection just a yes or no, as I will never want a long term residency.
I am not sure what the Reds comment means (taken from Q and A)..........I viewed a Q & A with the British Embassy on matters of residence in which they explicitly stated that UK nationals arriving before the end of the transition period would have until 30th June 2021 to obtain a registration certificate.
I am assuming that what is meant is ability to obtain a temp residency certificate as now....ie Documtenation
Or would anyone doing this not be covered by the WA and therefore, not for example be able to sign on for free Health??
#50
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Re: December Lock-Down
You need to become resident before 31/12/20 if you are doing so as a UK passport holding EN national but there is still a lack of clarity about the exact registration process for those arriving in the last quarter of 2020 who are unable to register before 31/12/20.
After your initial 5 year registration certificate expires you can, subject to having met the criteria, apply for a permanent residency certificate.
Your UK EHIC is only useful until the earlier of ceasing to be UK resident or 31/12/20 (unless there's an agreement worked out between UK & EU). If you become a resident in Portugal you gain access to the Portuguese Health Service (SNS) on the same terms as every other Portuguese resident. If you don't, you'll need travel insurance as a minimum.
After your initial 5 year registration certificate expires you can, subject to having met the criteria, apply for a permanent residency certificate.
#51
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Re: December Lock-Down
Thanks Richard.
So we should register residency ASAP after we find a place to live then?
I guess ill just get travel insurance for 6 months or something. Its all so unclear at the moment.
Fly out on 15th Nov but not even sure we will be able to. After that, we are homeless
So we should register residency ASAP after we find a place to live then?
I guess ill just get travel insurance for 6 months or something. Its all so unclear at the moment.
Fly out on 15th Nov but not even sure we will be able to. After that, we are homeless
#52
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Re: December Lock-Down
Hi all,
I'm following this thread with interest as we are flying to Faro on the 15th Nov.
We are Australians but have UK passorts as well.
We are stuck in the UK as we cant get home to Australia due to the virus.
Our plan was to move to Portugal (Algarve) to stay until we are allowed back into Australia.
My initial thoughts were that we could stay in Portugal until 31 Dec then have 90 days due to brexit.
Am i right in reading here that we could apply for temporary residency before 31 Dec and stay longer than 90 days?
Thanks...
I'm following this thread with interest as we are flying to Faro on the 15th Nov.
We are Australians but have UK passorts as well.
We are stuck in the UK as we cant get home to Australia due to the virus.
Our plan was to move to Portugal (Algarve) to stay until we are allowed back into Australia.
My initial thoughts were that we could stay in Portugal until 31 Dec then have 90 days due to brexit.
Am i right in reading here that we could apply for temporary residency before 31 Dec and stay longer than 90 days?
Thanks...
Why can't you fly home to Australia?
https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...into-australia
Travel into Australia
Australia’s borders are closed. The only people who can travel to Australia are:- Australian citizens
- residents
- immediate family members
- travellers who have been in New Zealand for the previous 14 days.
#53
Re: December Lock-Down
The "until" also struck me - I haven't read the original Portuguese (and don't know enough vocab anyway), but agree that "before" would seem to be more appropriate.
To avoid ambiguities/misunderstandings, translations, even on official sites, should be compared with the original version of anything official, in any language, which is admittedly tricky if you haven't got it to hand or don't know the language well enough......
To avoid ambiguities/misunderstandings, translations, even on official sites, should be compared with the original version of anything official, in any language, which is admittedly tricky if you haven't got it to hand or don't know the language well enough......
However even the most official versions possible - like the wording of the applicable law - can remain ambiguous. As, indeed, is the case with this 90 days business which has been a regular talking point on here. The SEF statement on that slide I posted is as official and crystal clear a clarification as it gets, the SEF being the higher authority than the town hall on matters relating to immigration and related documentation. A useful reference for anyone being told they can't (yet) register for the simple reason that they haven't been here for long enough, should that arise at this point where it's getting critical.
#54
Re: December Lock-Down
Do I understand what was written by Red, and of course that what he understood is correct, then providing that one can say (with 3 months of a Portuguese bank statement showing local activity) that the local camaras will continue to allow applications from UK nationals to become residents using the same documents as is the case prior to 31st Dec??
EDIT to add : didn't work. It's www facebook.com then /BritsInPortugal/videos/236212297351166/
I can't give you the point at which it was stated but it's defintely in there.
As I have said, I remain to be convinced as to whether it would actually be that straightforward and in my opinion it would be be preferable by far for the registration to be effected prior to 31st Dec if at all possible
If that is the case would it then not be the case that becoming a resident post 31st Dec that the Residence doc would have a start date of 2021?
And in that case would a change of driving license not be required for 2 years from that date, without taking a test in Portugal?
And in that case would a change of driving license not be required for 2 years from that date, without taking a test in Portugal?
I have tried to get an appointment to talk with my local SEF......nothing doing no one answers the phone, the same calling the central SEF, in order to get an appointment.
All I want to know is if it will be possible to apply for residency in Portugal up until 30th June 2021, with the same requirements as today. I personally couldn`t care less about WA agreement protection just a yes or no, as I will never want a long term residency.
I am not sure what the Reds comment means (taken from Q and A)..........I viewed a Q & A with the British Embassy on matters of residence in which they explicitly stated that UK nationals arriving before the end of the transition period would have until 30th June 2021 to obtain a registration certificate.
I am assuming that what is meant is ability to obtain a temp residency certificate as now....ie Documtenation
Or would anyone doing this not be covered by the WA and therefore, not for example be able to sign on for free Health??
All I want to know is if it will be possible to apply for residency in Portugal up until 30th June 2021, with the same requirements as today. I personally couldn`t care less about WA agreement protection just a yes or no, as I will never want a long term residency.
I am not sure what the Reds comment means (taken from Q and A)..........I viewed a Q & A with the British Embassy on matters of residence in which they explicitly stated that UK nationals arriving before the end of the transition period would have until 30th June 2021 to obtain a registration certificate.
I am assuming that what is meant is ability to obtain a temp residency certificate as now....ie Documtenation
Or would anyone doing this not be covered by the WA and therefore, not for example be able to sign on for free Health??
If you're only here intermittently then presumably you're a tourist and in future will have to abide by length of stay rules etc. and not be eligible to use the PT health service under the same terms as residents. If you want to exceed that, you either have to become resident prior to 31st December or, beyond that, you'll have to apply for whatever visa applies to extended stays and comply with its requirements.
Last edited by Red Eric; Nov 4th 2020 at 6:24 am.
#55
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Re: December Lock-Down
Hi Eric
On the last point, thats the reason I am trying to get an appointment with SEF,...clarity, but as usual you get bumped from pillar to post, without result.
I have also asked a question at the British Embassy but the reply again just points me to other .gov sites that do not answer the question of....How can you stay in Portugal for more than 90 days in 180. (normal Schengen rules) post Brexit.
Brits will not need a Visa to enter the EU post Brexit, and if there is no Visa to extend, what would Brits need to have in order to get an extension. In that I mean what paperwork would be needed on entry into the EU, or is it a simple case of going off to a local SEF office when in Portugal and apply to remain for say 50 days for example.
Will a Brit be able to enter the Schengen area and use a Schengen Visa?
On the last point, thats the reason I am trying to get an appointment with SEF,...clarity, but as usual you get bumped from pillar to post, without result.
I have also asked a question at the British Embassy but the reply again just points me to other .gov sites that do not answer the question of....How can you stay in Portugal for more than 90 days in 180. (normal Schengen rules) post Brexit.
Brits will not need a Visa to enter the EU post Brexit, and if there is no Visa to extend, what would Brits need to have in order to get an extension. In that I mean what paperwork would be needed on entry into the EU, or is it a simple case of going off to a local SEF office when in Portugal and apply to remain for say 50 days for example.
Will a Brit be able to enter the Schengen area and use a Schengen Visa?
#56
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Re: December Lock-Down
RED
`The date would be immaterial, since it would apply to the fact that the holder arrived prior to the end of the transition period. On the 2nd point, therefore, my opinion would be that the licence would have to be exchanged within 60 days of "fixing residence" (to quote the official terminlogy), since that is what currently applies.`
I appreciate your view on this, but surely one becomes a resident on the day that your Residence Document is issued?? And if issued (dated) in 2021 then that would negate the need to change a driving license within 60 days???
I can see that an application would need to be signed on or before 31st Dec, in order to take residency under current rules, but date of commencement would be in 2021.
Giving (IMO) a good argument, that one became a resident on the date of issue of the Residencia.???
All I am trying to achieve with these thought is clarity, maybe we dont know the answer.....
The other thing I am unsure about is the 60 days...........here is a link to the imt-ip website reagrding Brexit. Here it always says 90 days
http://www.imt-ip.pt/sites/IMTT/Port...ranslation.pdf
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`The date would be immaterial, since it would apply to the fact that the holder arrived prior to the end of the transition period. On the 2nd point, therefore, my opinion would be that the licence would have to be exchanged within 60 days of "fixing residence" (to quote the official terminlogy), since that is what currently applies.`
I appreciate your view on this, but surely one becomes a resident on the day that your Residence Document is issued?? And if issued (dated) in 2021 then that would negate the need to change a driving license within 60 days???
I can see that an application would need to be signed on or before 31st Dec, in order to take residency under current rules, but date of commencement would be in 2021.
Giving (IMO) a good argument, that one became a resident on the date of issue of the Residencia.???
All I am trying to achieve with these thought is clarity, maybe we dont know the answer.....
The other thing I am unsure about is the 60 days...........here is a link to the imt-ip website reagrding Brexit. Here it always says 90 days
http://www.imt-ip.pt/sites/IMTT/Port...ranslation.pdf
.
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Re: December Lock-Down
Personally I havn't a lot of confidence in the embassy. Following their live session I never received an answer to my ?. I sent a message about my situation and received a standard reply, probably sent to everyone. As it didn't answer my question iIsent it again, saying that it hadn't . I again received the same reply, whivc pretty much tells me they don't read enquiries, which is just not good enough.
Off subject.. just arrived back in PT Tuesday,by ferry. On arrival(Spain) had temperature checked on board and gave form re next destination(that day),which was kept.
No police or custom presence entering PT, although on the Spanish side there were police for those entering Spain. The roads seemed pretty quiet,.although it was evening. Had to drive through curfew as ferry was late. Still vehicles driving but not many. Saw a few UK plates driving through.
Off subject.. just arrived back in PT Tuesday,by ferry. On arrival(Spain) had temperature checked on board and gave form re next destination(that day),which was kept.
No police or custom presence entering PT, although on the Spanish side there were police for those entering Spain. The roads seemed pretty quiet,.although it was evening. Had to drive through curfew as ferry was late. Still vehicles driving but not many. Saw a few UK plates driving through.
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Re: December Lock-Down
Personally I havn't a lot of confidence in the embassy. Following their live session I never received an answer to my ?. I sent a message about my situation and received a standard reply, probably sent to everyone. As it didn't answer my question iIsent it again, saying that it hadn't . I again received the same reply, whivc pretty much tells me they don't read enquiries, which is just not good enough.
Off subject.. just arrived back in PT Tuesday,by ferry. On arrival(Spain) had temperature checked on board and gave form re next destination(that day),which was kept.
No police or custom presence entering PT, although on the Spanish side there were police for those entering Spain. The roads seemed pretty quiet,.although it was evening. Had to drive through curfew as ferry was late. Still vehicles driving but not many. Saw a few UK plates driving through.
Off subject.. just arrived back in PT Tuesday,by ferry. On arrival(Spain) had temperature checked on board and gave form re next destination(that day),which was kept.
No police or custom presence entering PT, although on the Spanish side there were police for those entering Spain. The roads seemed pretty quiet,.although it was evening. Had to drive through curfew as ferry was late. Still vehicles driving but not many. Saw a few UK plates driving through.
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Re: December Lock-Down
"Was that on the Santander ferry?"
Portsmouth-Bilbao
Portsmouth-Bilbao
Last edited by toots sweet; Nov 5th 2020 at 3:37 pm.