toots sweet

"It's arrogant to stick two fingers up to the EU, vote to become a third country and then complain when you are treated like a third country national".

I find it hard to believe that anyone living/owning property in the EU would vote for Brexit. If they did they really want to do their homework instead of voting for something they have no idea what consequences follow. I'd say serve them right but I still have to suffer the fallout from their stupidity.

Lou71

Why not ask them? You can send an email to the Commission via Europe Direct an you will receive a reply within a few days.

Lou71

I have been involved with Spain and Portugal since 1998 and the vast majority voted Remain but I know there were quite a few Leave voters in Spain. Fortunately, they have since returned to the UK, probably because they became pariahs.

Peter_in_Hungary

Hungary recently created a residential status of 'digital nomad' It's for a fixed period, renewable once, and has conditions of proof of employment and a minimum income. Probably seen as a way to tax the growing number of digital nomads moving around and working in the black economy to avoid paying any tax anywhere.
However if Hungary can do it why not others?
Oh and AFAIK you can have duel residency.

wellinever

So still no understanding of the reasons behind the 90/180 rule. I have Googled the question but cannot find any reference to it.
Lots of explanation of how it works, but no reasoning or explanation for its introduction.

wellinever

Another thing that I dont understand is, if there is a 90 da/180 rule, how come the French dont arrest all of the people camping for months at a time, in the northern beach towns?

scrubbedexpat142

Pistols or swords (or both!)?

scrubbedexpat142

They would probably like to deport them all - but that's proving tricky!

wellinever

But what happens when a non EU person goes to leave a Schengen Area country having overstayed by a day,?

Red Eric

I wouldn't imagine it's worth too much head-scratching over, since there probably won't be any one reason why it's specified thus. I expect it's just a consensus between the members as to what constitutes a short visit, with 90 days max coinciding with the much more loosely applied 90 day visit limit before residence formalities need to be initiated in the case of citizens of member states. Applying the rule over a 180 day period makes it both more flexible and clearer in many ways than having a set maximum per entry, with entry being allowed or denied at the discretion of the immigration officer. And 180 days in a rolling year max keeps the visitor on the right side of being mainly resident elsewhere.

Red Eric

Is it because they're not short stay visitors who've had their arrival recorded when they arrived through a regular point of entry?

I guess if you want to evade the 90 / 180 rule that could be a route worth exploring.

scrubbedexpat142

I don't know if they're bothered by a day or so but presumably a ban from re entering Schengen for a period?

Lou71

I've still got a defunct British passport knocking about which I never use so perhaps I should pretend to be British again, get a stamp, overstay, see what happens and report back!!!

Seriously though, with the introduction of EES, third country nationals will be penalised for overstaying unless there are extenuating circumstances. The penalty will consist of a ban and a fine.

Even without EES, you will be penalised by the border force on exit if your incoming stamp indicates you have stayed beyond 90 days. If only Farage had put that on the side of a bus.

Red Eric

I suspect the questioner was being disingenuous

wellinever

But presumably even the French could have recorded them when permanent camps were set up?