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Old Sep 4th 2023, 9:46 am
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I need a new caderneta predial rústica to apply for a bore well.
Does anyone know how / where to get it?
Can it be done online or do we need to go neolithic and actually transport our physical bodies to a physical office?
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Old Sep 4th 2023, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by liveaboard
I need a new caderneta predial rústica to apply for a bore well.
Does anyone know how / where to get it?
Can it be done online or do we need to go neolithic and actually transport our physical bodies to a physical office?
I'd suggest a phone enquiry to your local conservatória
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Old Sep 4th 2023, 11:48 am
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You can do it online at the financas website once you have logged in.
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Thanks, I did find it on the financas portal; I'm not sure if the electronic one will do, but it looks like it might not matter.
It seems that since I have public water supply, and live inside the "natural" park, I can't get a permit anyway.

I don't know why nature cares about the water 80 meters down.
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Originally Posted by liveaboard
Thanks, I did find it on the financas portal; I'm not sure if the electronic one will do, but it looks like it might not matter.
It seems that since I have public water supply, and live inside the "natural" park, I can't get a permit anyway.

I don't know why nature cares about the water 80 meters down.
I know they've tightened up on granting permission for boreholes a lot.

This started when bigger concerns started "undercutting" existing borehole supplies and leaving householders with no water.

So the solution? Stop householders getting access to the groundwater. Job done.
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We have 4.5 hectares of agricultural land; not that I grown anything much other than weeds and pine trees, but without water I can't even keep my orchard alive.
We've been getting agricultural water from the Santa Clara reservoir, but that's almost dry now so it is expected to be shut down soon.
The place looks like a desert now. I guess it is one.

During the recent fire here, the domestic water pressure dropped and the agriculture water was shut off.
Nearby farms have multiple bore wells; but it looks like it's first come first serve.
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Originally Posted by liveaboard
We have 4.5 hectares of agricultural land; not that I grown anything much other than weeds and pine trees, but without water I can't even keep my orchard alive.
We've been getting agricultural water from the Santa Clara reservoir, but that's almost dry now so it is expected to be shut down soon.
The place looks like a desert now. I guess it is one.

During the recent fire here, the domestic water pressure dropped and the agriculture water was shut off.
Nearby farms have multiple bore wells; but it looks like it's first come first serve.
Yes, I understand. My local barragem is at 8%, my own small barragem dried out completely last yer (first time ever). Luckily my borehole has kept supplying the same rusty old water as ever, but given that I'm in the backwoods of the Alentejo, why shouldn't it?

The problem is that the "big boys" will still find a way to extract water, but the little guys suffer. Any chance of getting the local camara onside?
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Originally Posted by macliam
Yes, I understand. My local barragem is at 8%, my own small barragem dried out completely last yer (first time ever). Luckily my borehole has kept supplying the same rusty old water as ever, but given that I'm in the backwoods of the Alentejo, why shouldn't it?

The problem is that the "big boys" will still find a way to extract water, but the little guys suffer. Any chance of getting the local camara onside?
Our neighbourhood is currently going through this and the simple answer, is no. Instead, we are trying to get municipal water for when the citrus plantation runs our boreholes dry.
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Originally Posted by Shanorme
Our neighbourhood is currently going through this and the simple answer, is no. Instead, we are trying to get municipal water for when the citrus plantation runs our boreholes dry.
Hmm, I can imagine. Camaras always like to take the easy way out and the citrus growers pay more than you do.....
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It will be a miracle if the citrus survives up in the hills with severe winds.
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Originally Posted by Shanorme
It will be a miracle if the citrus survives up in the hills with severe winds.
Probably tax deductable expense.
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Probably tax deductable expense.
Well, it was EU funding according to the board outside the plantation.
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Well, it was EU funding according to the board outside the plantation.
Yeah, a "projeto", so beloved of the camaras. Money from the EU feeding into Portugal, with just a bit sticking to fingers along the way. Near me the EU funded reforestation. After 6 years all that has been achieved is 3 private "projetos" of Pine and a lot of lunches and dinners for the Engenheiros...... Then the money ran out. But, never fear, like buses the funding will come again.....
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Originally Posted by liveaboard
Thanks, I did find it on the financas portal; I'm not sure if the electronic one will do,...
I've used a downloaded and printed caderneta predial many times. Towards the bottom of the page a date "stamp" is added make sure it has a recent date:
Emitido via internet em 2023-07-04

I had one with an old date and it wasn't accepted.
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The well drilling company has a person who gets the permits done, so I'm going through them.
Communication is a bit thin; they seem to accept the caderneta but don't think I can get a permit as I have a public water supply connection.

Maybe I can get a bore well permit based on my existing permission for a old shallow hand dug well.
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