Buying a car

Old Jun 20th 2022, 6:44 pm
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We should be moving to Portugal at the end of September do we (A) drive our RHD car down and then try to sell it ? this would be the best option for us as we are bringing our 3 small dogs but not sure if that would be possible and then buy a LHD drive car when we get there(B) fly there and then a rental car while finding one to buy. (C) buy a LHD car in uk and drive it there but am not sure what we would have to pay and what paper work would be involved or if we managed to but a LHD car with Portugese reg would that solve all our problems?
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Old Jun 20th 2022, 8:26 pm
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Would need a bit of careful time coordination, but buying a car in Germany or France, driving it down and importing it to Portugal is worth a thought, it could be the cheapest option. Some info on the process here: https://impostosobreveiculos.info/im...rros-alemanha/
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do you not need to own the car for more than a certain period of time to avoid paying import duty ? 6 or 12 months isnt it ?
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Do you not have an option for a friend to visit you at some point during your first six months and then drive the car back to UK and sell it there on your behalf ?
I believe all the 'paperwork' for sale / notification to Swansea can now be done online.

If that is a realistic / likely possibility then I would plan for that.

Meanwhile you could also consider importing it officially into Portugal, ie getting Portuguese plates for it, if it has a few years life left in it ? I believe that if you will be new residents in Portugal, ie on an official Visa etc., then the import charges ( normally absurdly huge ) are mostly waived. There are people who specialize in doing all the paperwork / liaising with the Portuguese authorities to get it done.

A lot depends on how old the car is, whether you like it, it is reliable, and would prefer to carry on using a familiar car for a while.

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D - buy a car in PT, drive it up to the UK, collect the pets and then drive down to PT.
Tried and tested years ago.
Cars being cheaper elsewhere is a bit of a myth. If there is any difference at all, it is within 5%, or circa €1,500 for an average car.
Is it worth the effort and the hassle? 🤔

PLEASE NOTE: The advice is given on the understanding that the OP would become PT resident prior to returning to the UK to collect his pets and belongings with his PT registered car.
In the event that at the time of the mentioned return to the UK, the OP would still be UK resident, and not yet PT resident, he should contact DVLA for clarification whether he would be able to legally drive his PT registered car in the UK, even for a few days during his return, while still being UK resident, although one in the process of leaving the country.

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Would need a bit of careful time coordination, but buying a car in Germany or France, driving it down and importing it to Portugal is worth a thought, it could be the cheapest option. Some info on the process here: https://impostosobreveiculos.info/im...rros-alemanha/
Thanks for that I hadnt thought about doing that we are in the South East of England and there are lots of LHD cars for sale which are registered in France if that would work or as we are so close to the French coast we could hop over and buy one to drive down
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D - buy a car in PT, drive it up to the UK, collect the pets and then drive down to PT.
Tried and tested years ago.
Cars being cheaper elsewhere is a bit of a myth. If there is any difference at all, it is within 5%, or circa €1,500 for an average car.
Is it worth the effort and the hassle? 🤔

PLEASE NOTE: The advice is given on the understanding that the OP would become PT resident prior to returning to the UK to collect his pets and belongings with his PT registered car.
In the event that at the time of the mentioned return to the UK, the OP would still be UK resident, and not yet PT resident, he should contact DVLA for clarification whether he would be able to legally drive his PT registered car in the UK, even for a few days during his return, while still being UK resident, although one in the process of leaving the country.

I had thought about doing that but wasnt sure if that was practical, the property we have rented for 12 months is way out in the countryside so a car is a must so even if we fly in we still need to get to the property from the airport,but this might be our only option

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I had thought about doing that but wasnt sure if that was practical, the property we have rented for 12 months is way out in the countryside so a car is a must so even if we fly in we still need to get to the property from the airport,but this might be our only option
Cost/benefit analysis would include multiple variables, but for us it was the best option, although the one we firmly rejected at the start...
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do you not need to own the car for more than a certain period of time to avoid paying import duty ? 6 or 12 months isnt it ?
Yes, that's correct, if you want to take advantage of the special import exception for new residents. But the taxes can be not too bad, so I was suggesting doing it as just a normal import.

If the car doesn't have a high cc engine or high CO2 value (often the case for a modern car) then it is pretty reasonable - our little VW Up paid a total of 168 euro for the ISV
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Have a look at mobile.de (it lists cars in France too) and see what you think vs standvirtual.pt

Pricing and availability differences depend on the model, age etc. For the cars we were looking at, the price difference was 25%+ but the import costs absorbed a lot of that so it was more about the fact that the PT market is small and we couldn't find the spec that we wanted here

If you are considering an option that involves renting a car for a while then beware, rental costs are very high at the moment due to continuing new car shortages
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I had thought about doing that but wasnt sure if that was practical, the property we have rented for 12 months is way out in the countryside so a car is a must so even if we fly in we still need to get to the property from the airport,but this might be our only option
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You could take your UK car over with you to transport your dogs and use it initially giving you a bit of breathing space to find a LHD to buy, suss out the car market and a feel for what type of vehicle will work best for you.. You might even find that you don't mind having a RHD car then you can matriculate it. You'll have 180 days or up to your SEF appointment which ever is sooner to decide whether to drive it back to the UK and sell via We Buy Any Car or start the matriculation process to import it. If you do this make sure there is lots of MOT on the car so it doesn't run out over in PT.
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Cost/benefit analysis would include multiple variables, but for us it was the best option, although the one we firmly rejected at the start...
Thanks for that we have options,another one I thought of is to fly in to Porto for a couple of days (not sure if this enough time to buy a car and get paperwork sorted) then drive it back to UK and collect our dogs and a few things that we can pack in the car and then drive to our rental does anyone think that might be a viable option?
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Thanks for that we have options,another one I thought of is to fly in to Porto for a couple of days (not sure if this enough time to buy a car and get paperwork sorted) then drive it back to UK and collect our dogs and a few things that we can pack in the car and then drive to our rental does anyone think that might be a viable option?
Above all you need to clarify for yourself whether you wish to buy a car in PT before or after becoming PT resident, the former being a lot more complicated.
And then start the computations.

If you bring your UK car to PT, even if you would be able to register it for some reasonable amount of money, then that car is yours forever, there is hardly any second hand market for UK cars in PT. Not to mention that, having UK plate, you would almost certainly be stopped for checks at every internal EU border (FR/ESP, ESP/PT).

If you buy a car in PT (and be aware of the waiting times, so you may wish to approach few car dealers in advance), there will be some cost of driving it back to the UK and then again to PT, but there would be some second hand market for that car in PT, if, after one year, you decide to leave and to return to the UK.

The easiest way imho would be:
1. Get in touch with few dealerships in PT to see what and, most importantly, when, you could buy from them.
2. Arrange matters in such a way as to become PT resident a couple of days before the scheduled car delivery.
3. Get the car, return back to the UK (land and/or ferry) to collect the pets, etc.
4. Drive back to PT.


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Thanks for that we have options,another one I thought of is to fly in to Porto for a couple of days (not sure if this enough time to buy a car and get paperwork sorted) then drive it back to UK and collect our dogs and a few things that we can pack in the car and then drive to our rental does anyone think that might be a viable option?
The reason for the post deletion by mods is that it's illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign registered car in the UK

But you *might* be able to rent a car in Porto to drive to the UK and back (I believe there's an exception for hire cars, but best to check). You'd need to check if it was allowed to travel to the UK (often ferry crossings are not allowed for hire cars)

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