wellinever

Interesting to read this on Alarvedailynews.

The EU will add the UK to the list of countries that do not need to apply for visas to enter the EU for travel, which means that travellers will be free to come and go, to and from the UK without the ‘90 days in every 180 days’ restriction.

See whole review of meeting held in Loule here:

https://www.algarvedailynews.com/new...ge-post-brexit

wellinever

also read this
https://www.portaldiplomatico.mne.go..._Brexit_EN.PDF

Red Eric

The Algarve Daily News account is at odds with the Government's advice leaflet on the matter of registering. It says that the extended registration period is intended only for those arriving post March 2019, whereas the leaflet makes it quite clear that the same extension applies to those arrived before then (see para about a no deal scenario). Not that I'm advising anyone to delay registering but if anybody who is here prior to the departure date, is unaware of what's going on , is unregistered and can't register pronto for whatever reason, there's still plenty of leeway.

wellinever

hi Red
Whats your take on the statement about Brits being able to stay in the eu for more than 90 days in 6 months after brexit??

How have I missed this important item !!!!
or is this only during any transition period that might be agreed?

BritInParis

British citizens won’t need a visa to visit the EU after Brexit - rules regarding residence in an individual EU member state will be up to that particular country’s immigration policy.

liveaboard

Yes, please remember the difference between VISIT and RESIDENCE.
So often one is being discussed and the other slides into the conversation, leading to confusion.
There is really no doubt that even in a no-deal scenario, visiting will not be a problem.
However, those wishing to move to Portugal and reside here post brexit are, at this time, facing the unknown.

wellinever

have i misunderstood the statement apparently made by the Portuguese minister for foreign affairs, when he he is quoted as saying that the EU will ADD the UK to a list of countries that will not need a visa, and therefore not restricted to the 90 day rule for non EU residents.

Red Eric

No, I don't think you have.

Bear in mind, though, that exceeding 90 days in 180 isn't the same as exceeding 90 days in a single visit (for example).

wellinever

Hi Red

I, for many years, have spent up to 5 months a year in Portugal, in one continuous visit (maybe returning to UK for a week during that time).
For example I have now been here since the beginning of November, finalising the build of a house.
Maybe I should have registered as a resident, but then, on return to UK, would be non resident there.
In the event that, regardless of what type of exit from the EU happens, Brits will still be able to visit Portugal in this case, for more than 90 days in a single visit, then I have no concerns.
That is what I take from the statement from the Portuguese Minister as reported in the paper.
So can you please explain what you mean above?

Red Eric

Yes, there's the rules and there's whether there's a will or a practical way of applying them. Portugal seems to have a pretty laid back attitude to the fact that there are unregistered residents here both from within and from outside the EU. However, 90 days is the theoretical single-visit limit for visits before registration is required by EU citizens.

The crux of the matter, though, is that the UK's relationship with the EU is changing, as, at roughly the same time, are Schengen Zone rules. The fact that not only all arrivals to but also all departures from the Schengen Zone will in future be recorded will make it possible for the authorities to know how long you've been present. Whether that might be a matter of concern isn't clear to me at the moment - length of stay certainly matters to those who are subject to Schengen visa restrictions.

Putting the UK on a list of countries whose citizens don't need a visa to visit doesn't mean there won't be any rules about length of stay and (as above) exceeding 90 days in 180 isn't the same as exceeding 90 days in one visit. The implications might depend to a certain extent on how rigid the rules are and how much is left to the discretion of individual member states in the application.

Pistolpete2

More per the OP's quoted article than the OP's post intent - in other words residence rather than visit

For practical purposes though ref #11 above, once residency is established in PT, this applies:

UK citizens resident in Portugal will still be allowed to travel throughout the EU using their Portuguese residency. They will be travelling as Portuguese residents and not as UK passport holders and therefore free movement within the EU will continue.

So no need to sweat when taking the cross-border bus from Tavira to Seville. Not that there would be frontier controls anyway???

Pistolpete2

The line WellInever has quoted from in the article is a bit confusing though. At first glance, UK passport holders not requiring a visa to enter a Schengen country for travel and business simply puts it on the same footing as say the USA or Canada and for those countries' passport holders they still have the 90 days in 180 restriction, if they originate in the US or Canada.

Indeed, per posts above, it is possible that the individual member state Portugal, will be more flexible in this regard.

BritInParis

That’s not correct. You cannot establish establish residence in one EU member state as a non-EU citizen and then use that residence to move to another EU member state.

Pistolpete2

It says TRAVEL not take up or establish residence.

BritInParis

It says “freedom of movement”. That’s not travel/visiting. It’s also not relevant to British citizens who will be able to visit the rest of the EU visa-free in any case.