macliam

Good to see we have a balanced view here

Fortunately, to get anyone hung you'll have to do a lot more than stitch up an ex-PM.

Bye the bye - how is it that John Major is OK, yet he signed up to Maastricht without a referendum - whereas Brown isn't, although he actually put the idea of the UK joining the Euro beyond doubt with his five economic tests.

Oh, and Maggie is Ok, although she caused the Falklands war by cutting the island defence and giving the Argentines mixed messages (Oh, and murdered over 300 Argentines on the Belgrano outside the exclusion zone), whereas Blair is a war criminal for taking the UK to a war against a dictator who had been defeated under John Major but who was still defying no fly zones and attacking "internal enemies".

Not selective memory, surely?

Knoxy_UK

Nothing worse than a good fact getting in the way of an otherwise perfect arguement.

algarveandroid

Its had to be called CPS now say 30 Tory MPS may be on election fraud charges - but with the news today hardly got into the media.

mfesharne

Are you really suggesting Bliar didn't take the country into an illegal war or lie to Parliament to do so or that the resulting debacle finished well? - Really?

Brown was also involved & also responsible for bankrupting the country, selling the gold reserves at knock down prices & with prior announcement & destroyed the pensions of an entire generation with his slow ticking pensions time bomb so he was hardly an honest, successful politician was he?

Major & Maggy......... going back a long way there so perhaps not relevant to today's situation....... Maastricht wasn't to my taste & could easily be argued was a massive mistake but it bore no resemblance to what the current situation has morphed into & as for Maggy....... who was indeed very divisive but it cannot be denied she took on a very difficult situation that simply had to be addressed...... & she did it.

But yes, I firmly believe Bliar and several others including Straw & Campbell deserve to face trial for their actions & I have no doubt they would do so in many countries.

And I'm equally sure a very significant percentage of the British electorate would agree with me.

Red Eric

No, there's no restriction on the number of times one can stand ( not sure why that crept in) but I presume even he now sees the futility of him trying to win a Westminster seat. If the voters in UKIP's most favourable consituency constituencies rejected him that often and the only times he actually won at elections it was so his constituents could see the back of him by sending him abroad, the only surprising thing is that he didn't get the message sooner.

I'm not sure that the party is faring as well as ever now because Banks sacked him and then pulled the funding but it certainly doesn't seem to have done them any noticeable harm.

Anyway, the kippers are obviously delighted because they've now got a choice of 2 parties to vote for and one of them will definitely win lots of seats.

LouisB

A lot of people claim to be against Blair over Iraq now.

My question is, where the hell were you all at the time?

As for being lied to, I guess no one sees the brexit lies as a history repeats again?

Again, where are you?

In 10 years you'll be calling for TM to be tried in court too?

Too late is too late. You have to respond to the facts today, not put head in the sand. Applied during Iraq and will continue to apply every bit as much now.

mfesharne

Eric,

My comment about restriction of number of times one can stand was sarcasm......... but that aside, I'll be very surprised if UKIP get any seats under the present leadership of the party. Although it's not impossible. As far as that party goes, I think NF made a big mistake leaving when he did.

Louis

I know where I was & I was arguing against interference in the region just as I am now.

Interesting that you think you can predict what I'll be doing in 10 years time when you don't know me & can't see into the future but hey, if you're so convinced then perhaps you should consider doing the lottery hey? - You'd obviously be sure to win.

And that also is sarcasm.

What will be interesting is to see what Labour do before & after the GE.

I'll also be interested to see what May does (assuming she wins a big majority) about the House of Vermin in Ermine in the longer term. - I wouldn't be surprised if she takes them on big time.

LouisB

Speaking about the general public not just you specifically. Ego?

Red Eric

Oh, I see. You'll have to forgive me for not catching it but it was completely misplaced, given the exchange that led up to it

Well, that was my original point (and why the sarcasm was misplaced). Not only would that be no worse than they had previously fared but The Man Himself didn't win a seat once in all his attempts, despite standing in several different constituencies. I can't imagine why you think his and UKIP's fortunes would suddenly change. It's not like he's suddenly burst onto the scene or anything - he's a long-standing failure.

mfesharne

Nothing whatsoever to do with ego. You'll notice that all my comments are in the first person which should indicate that I'm expressing my personal opinion.

I've never claimed to speak for anyone else.

LouisB

And yet my original post was never aimed at you, you specifically or you alone. Yet you reply to criticise me for knowing or not knowing you, you specifically. Like my post was for you and no one else 🤦‍♂️

Ok then...

mfesharne

Eric

Although it could be argued he was cheated out of his last attempt - but nevertheless, just because he's failed in the past doesn't mean he might not win in the future. After all, it's not uncommon for candidates of all parties to fail a few times before winning a seat.

But now he's stood down as leader I can't see it happening this time........ Not impossible though

mfesharne

Louis

In that case, you should perhaps have used the word 'they' rather than 'you'

Red Eric

I'm really not sure how he could win a seat if he's not standing as a candidate - surely that would have to involve some form of cheating (although it is true that he's definitely proven himself not to be above that).

mfesharne

How do you know he's not going to stand?

He might not have announced it yet but that doesn't mean he won't....... After all, just a few days ago May hadn't announced a GE & was telling us she wouldn't call one.