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Old Oct 20th 2023, 12:51 am
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Originally Posted by Choccy74
Interesting reply back from recruiting…. the $20k comes with a catch -

‘In regards to the relocation incentive, this is $20,000 which would be payable in part once you graduate from the academy and the remainder once you finish your first year. Exact eligibility requirements and the finer details are still yet to be signed off.’
Surprise surprise. Wouldn't expect anything less from QPS
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Originally Posted by Wallas
hi there,

I’m Police Officer in Brazil, and currently applying for a role in QPS International Recruitment. Could you tell me why you think “they” are so bad?

I am just wanting understand, because here, in Brazil, we are not assisted by the government, we have no good equipments to work, even the uniform we need to pay for. In addiction, the salary rate is lower than other jobs.

so, I would know what make them “bad” to help me decide if I should to move to Australia.

thank you and be safe!!

Man, I don't know which state of Brazil you are in, but just because the police in Brazil are militarized, I think that there is no way QPS being worse. The culture is similar or worse to what’s mentioned here, in addition Brazil is one of the countries where more policemen die every year, besides the rates of violence and corruption being gigantic in this sense, I think it's impossible to be worse than Brazil or it wouldn’t worth the choice. What worries me much more about is the cost of live in Brisbane after finishing the training

I’m also from Brazil and applied for it
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FYI, anyone at the final stages you will need an recent Hep B serology report showing your levels. Mine was from 2013 so have had to arrange a further blood test.
I’m just waiting for my serology to finish it
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Hi guys, are there any serving Queensland cops that were formerly cops in England? I'm curious about the day-to-day operational differences between the two systems.

Do QPS need to apply for charging permission to their Prosecution Service like in England? Or is it more like Scotland where if there is corroborative evidence, the Police have power/authority to charge for all offences?

I was reading the QPS Certified Agreement and noted there is a Police Prosecutions Training Course and I remember ages ago I read that in some AUS jurisdictions, officers lead the prosecutions in lower-level offences. Is this what that pertains to, or am I way off?

Greetings from the North of England :-)
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Old Nov 1st 2023, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by K38
Hi guys, are there any serving Queensland cops that were formerly cops in England? I'm curious about the day-to-day operational differences between the two systems.

Do QPS need to apply for charging permission to their Prosecution Service like in England? Or is it more like Scotland where if there is corroborative evidence, the Police have power/authority to charge for all offences?

I was reading the QPS Certified Agreement and noted there is a Police Prosecutions Training Course and I remember ages ago I read that in some AUS jurisdictions, officers lead the prosecutions in lower-level offences. Is this what that pertains to, or am I way off?

Greetings from the North of England :-)
police officers decide whether to charge or not, QPS prosecutions consists of police officers and lawyers, we prosecute matters in the magistrates court, and prosecute committal matters going to the district or Supreme Court.
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Old Nov 1st 2023, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by Baz
police officers decide whether to charge or not, QPS prosecutions consists of police officers and lawyers, we prosecute matters in the magistrates court, and prosecute committal matters going to the district or Supreme Court.
Thank you. Is this the general practise in all AUS states/jurisdictions, or are Queensland the exception?

How about crime recording standards? It's gone a bit bonkers in England and we record crime based on 'honest held belief', meaning that if someone *BELIEVES* a crime has happened, we record it unless we have irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

I'll give you an example: I went to a report of a burglary where nothing was missing, there was no signs of a break-in/trespass and no witnesses, but because the resident 'believes someone has been in the house' and there wasn't any CCTV to disprove it, I had to record a burglary.

Same thing goes for Hate Crimes. If you get mugged by a random stranger you do not know and tell Police you *BELIEVE* you were targeted due to a protected characteristic, a Hate Crime is recorded. The suspect doesn't have to make any mention to the protected characteristic and there needs not be any evidence other than the victim's belief.

How would a Queensland cop deal with teh above two scenarios? When I was a cop in Scotland, the first was not recorded as a house-breaking (the Scots Law equivalent of a burglary), and the 2nd wasn't recorded as a Hate Crime as the requirements are (are used to be when I worked there) that specific mention had to have been made to the protected characteristic, prior, during or immediately following the commission of the offence.

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Originally Posted by K38
Thank you. Is this the general practise in all AUS states/jurisdictions, or are Queensland the exception?

How about crime recording standards? It's gone a bit bonkers in England and we record crime based on 'honest held belief', meaning that if someone *BELIEVES* a crime has happened, we record it unless we have irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

I'll give you an example: I went to a report of a burglary where nothing was missing, there was no signs of a break-in/trespass and no witnesses, but because the resident 'believes someone has been in the house' and there wasn't any CCTV to disprove it, I had to record a burglary.

Same thing goes for Hate Crimes. If you get mugged by a random stranger you do not know and tell Police you *BELIEVE* you were targeted due to a protected characteristic, a Hate Crime is recorded. The suspect doesn't have to make any mention to the protected characteristic and there needs not be any evidence other than the victim's belief.

How would a Queensland cop deal with teh above two scenarios? When I was a cop in Scotland, the first was not recorded as a house-breaking (the Scots Law equivalent of a burglary), and the 2nd wasn't recorded as a Hate Crime as the requirements are (are used to be when I worked there) that specific mention had to have been made to the protected characteristic, prior, during or immediately following the commission of the offence.

Thank in advance.
hi mate, police prosecutors exist as described in all states other than ACT, we don’t do any of the things you described in Qld, sounds like things have gone a bit bonkers back in Blighty!
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Originally Posted by Baz
hi mate, police prosecutors exist as described in all states other than ACT, we don’t do any of the things you described in Qld, sounds like things have gone a bit bonkers back in Blighty!
Thank you for the info. Unfortunately the College of Policing and the CPS have pretty much destroyed the service. In the last 2 years I was with a uniform investigation and prisoner interview team (it was meant to function as a feeder to CID) and I lost all faith when time after time, CPS would outright refuse to charge for the obvious offences, despite overwhelming evidence and instead went for the lowest possible offence, all for the sake of having to avoid a trial and just getting a guilty plea after working out an agreement for a suspended sentence recommendation with the defence in return for the guilty plea.

I had a guy attend a an ex-business partner's address with a knife and baton, aggressively bang on the door. This was caught on ring-doorbell, witnessed by an independent 3rd party and the suspect admitted to having both in his possession on interview and offered the iron-clad defence of "well he (the victim) is bigger than me, of course I'm going to go armed to defend myself".

I asked for possession of an offensive weapon, possession of a bladed article and a Public Order offence for his aggressive demeanour. CPS only charged for the weapon, NOT THE KNIFE, and said it was all one course of conduct, ergo, proportionate to only charge one offence. They agreed a 15 month suspended sentence upon a guilty plea. It took me 5 month to complete the case-file with all the stupid asinine and irrelevant requests (such as finding out the history between their former failed business...) and all for the decision to come back with what they could have charged on the day after a 10 minute conversation over the phone.

I had an ex-partner stalk his ex-wife, take pictures of her car on the street her new partner lived on and 3 independent witnesses giving statements that he barged into the wrong house looking for the new partner, shouting, screaming and threatening. I asked for stalking with fear of violence and they decided that as no violence had occurred, it was simple harassment. Not even a suspended sentence, they decided on a Conditional Caution...

Beware anyone wanting to join the Police in England and Wales, this is a daily routine.

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Originally Posted by Baz
I read some of the comments on this thread with interest.

Without posting too much personal information, I worked in the UK police for five years, then the Caribbean for three, and in the QPS for 15 years, both regionally and in South East Qld. Consequently, what I would say, is I have quite allot to compare my service in the Qld Police to, which is useful, as it provides perspective.

The QPS is not perfect, like any police department, but the descriptions on this thread do not at least reflect my experience.

There have been comments about workplace culture. I find the culture no different to the police in the UK. Of course there are some bad apples, but there are about 12000 people working for the QPS, so this is a statistical inevitability. One commentator suggested looking at media reports, which by all means you can do, but the media here or overseas isn’t exactly renowned for accurately reporting policing issues, as they have an agenda. No doubt if you read the Guardian in the UK, it would not paint a flattering picture of British police workplace culture, but I would take what they have to say with a barrel of salt. I believe someone recently cited the recent commission of Enquiry into DV and workplace culture in the QPS. Whilst it did raise some pertinent points where the QPS needs to do some work, I would suggest allot of people in the QPS do not agree with the reports assertions in relation to workplace culture. There are many out there that take the view the enquiry became quite politicised, and something of a hatchet job. Whilst I’m discussing media coverage, putting the commission of Enquiry to one side, our State newspaper is the Courier Mail, I read it every day, and I would generally suggest it’s by and large quite support of the QPS.

Another poster talked about crime and public perception of the police. This is where my service in different jurisdictions, and consequently perspective is quite useful. I worked in a big city in the UK, and whilst of course there is crime here, it’s absolutely nothing like what I experienced in the Uk, and what crime there is, tends to be far less sophisticated (at least in Qld). In the UK I would never allow myself to be seen walking into my house in any form of uniform which identified me as police (and I didn’t live in a bad area), and I was also very careful about who I told about what I did. You had to be. My experience with the public, was very mixed, but I definitely wouldn’t describe it as a ‘pro policing’ environment. My experience has been very different here in Qld, both in regional Qld, and south eastern Qld. Of course, there is that small percentage of criminals who is never going to like us, but that’s expected. I would suggest, the vast, vast majority of Queenslanders are very supportive. For example, I worked the football here recently, I had three different people come up to me and thank me for my service. The vast majority of the public I interact with like to have a chat, and I get asked for photos with people and their kids whilst in uniform. This was not my experience in the UK. Again, it’s not perfect, but the proposition it’s not police friendly here is simply untrue.

We did have an incident last year where three police officers were shot, this was tragic, but a statistical outlier. The public response to this tragedy was something to behold, Brisbane buildings were lit up in blue in support of the QPS one night, the funerals are held in Brisbane, that part of Brisbane was pretty much shut down for the procession, police stations and officers received overwhelming support, flowers and do on from the public. Personally, I found it quite touching, and it reminded me how the vast majority of the public have our back.

I would suggest we are well equipped, we have personal issue firearms, cuffs, baton, OC spray, load bearing vests, and we take Tasers from a pool, and long arm weapons if qualified. The irony is in the UK I had a useless PR24 baton, some cuffs and spray. I felt like I had a far greater need for the tools provided to me by the QPS in the UK, than Qld.

Your experience in the QPS, like the UK, will to some degree depend on where you are working. If you’re working in a small country town, it’s going to be a different experience to working in Brisbane, which is different to working on the Gold Coast. Like the UK, camaraderie is by and large present in the vast majority of stations, but you might have a slightly different experience from one station to another, and of course your role in the QPS will dictate your experience to some degree. Obviously if your a dog handler, your day to day work experience is going to be different to someone who is on shift, and to someone who is office based, in traffic, or whatever, it’s the same the world over. However, given it’s such a large organisation, like any large police department, if you don’t like your current role or station, you can move.

In terms of benefits with our recent EB agreement we are one of the best remunerated forces in the country. I’m currently not working shifts, I get six weeks leave a year, so with public holidays that seven. I also have long service leave, access to flexible workplace arrangements, and capacity to work from home. If you do shift work you get 21% extra pay, and additional allowance for nightshirts (not insignificant), I believe it’s seven weeks leave a year, now you also get your public holidays credited back to you if you work them, and long service leave. Shift workers have more limited access to flexible workplace arrangements, but part time working arrangements are prevalent. I would say there has been a trend to moving back towards eight hour shifts of late, which is not good for work life balance. The salaries are actually quite good with the shift allowance, the issue is when you come off shifts and lose the shift allowance it can be hard, as everyone invariably makes financial commitments which take into account their shift allowance, so coming off it can be difficult. Have a look at the pay scales online, as a retread you are on a Senior Constable wage, with shift allowance a top level Senior Constable makes more than what I make as a top level Sgt, with no shift allowance, and I make about $100K a year. We also have good police health insurance.

To sum up, is the QPS perfect? Of course not, but I also don’t think it warrants some of the criticisms on this page. Also, remember, in the police the world over, we love to bitch and moan, it’s like a national sport in the police. When you compare our working conditions to the private sector, we do pretty well, I know in my specialist area, if I worked in the private sector, i would be working far more hours, for far less remuneration. The QPS is experiencing recruitment challenges at the moment, but so is everyone post COVID. This is the first time the QPS has ever opened up recruitment to overseas officers without Australian Permanent Residency visas, because prior to this unique situation we have been presented as a result of COVID, the QPS has never needed to specifically look overseas. What I would say, is this window of opportunity will not last for ever, things will return to normal from a recruitment perspective, upon which the QPS will not be able to justify to immigration the need for overseas officers. So if you are interested, I would suggest doing it sooner rather than later.

Finally, as someone who has ‘been there and got the t-shirt,’ if you’re looking at coming here, it needs to be for the right reasons. Policing is policing the world over, whilst working conditions, the law, levels of public support, and processes may be different, the nature of the work is similar. If you have got to that point where you are sick of policing overseas, that’s not going to change because you’ve moved to a different jurisdiction. Your primary reason for moving to Australia should be for lifestyle purposes, and your lifestyle will depend on where you live, and what suits you. I live in a fantastic sub tropical climate, I live in a city, so I have access to everything I need, my house is about 15 mins from amazing beaches, I go surfing with my mates on the weekend, diving, I can take my kids into the mountains, National parks, or beaches camping, there is mountain biking, it’s safe, there are good schools, parks, and plenty to do. I’ve lived all over the world, without a doubt, for me, this is by a long way, as good as it gets. But what suits me might not suit you. It may be the lifestyle in the UK is a ‘better fit’ for you. Everyone is different.

I hope my contribution to this thread will be useful to anyone considering making the move, and bring some ‘balance’ to the thread.
Ah Baz, the good old days working in the *****. My pal has just left there to join Queensland. I've left the Caribbean too and I've got a wee number in the Channel Islands now to take me up to retirement. Good to see you're still here!
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Okay thanks I'll check out the Australia section yes of course I would expect to be posted to response if I did get offered a job. I just wondered if you get a choice on the area where you can be posted to (for example; in the the MPS you can give them three boroughs of preference - or used to be able to!)?
noodle_1. I am currently MPS and have my QPS interview at the end of February. I am unable to send you a message direct as I have only just joined this forum. I note your post is from the middle of last year. Were you successful in your application? If so, are able to offer any advice please?

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Hello everyone,
Does anyone know what the criteria is to join QPS from the UK with regards to experience and when you left your previous police force?

I left the MPS just over 4 years ago with 11 years experience. I've checked the QPS website and I can't seem to find anything about the criteria for international recruits. I can only find information for interstate or from NZ, which states you must not have resigned from your previous police force more than 5 years ago.

I have rang QPS, they don't seem to know much about international recruitment so they just give you an email. I'm still waiting to hear back but the lady on the phone said it could take a few weeks for them to reply.

I know WA you have to have left your previous police force within 18 months and SA is 24 months.

Any help would be appreciated,

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Hello everyone,
Does anyone know what the criteria is to join QPS from the UK with regards to experience and when you left your previous police force?

I left the MPS just over 4 years ago with 11 years experience. I've checked the QPS website and I can't seem to find anything about the criteria for international recruits. I can only find information for interstate or from NZ, which states you must not have resigned from your previous police force more than 5 years ago.

I have rang QPS, they don't seem to know much about international recruitment so they just give you an email. I'm still waiting to hear back but the lady on the phone said it could take a few weeks for them to reply.

I know WA you have to have left your previous police force within 18 months and SA is 24 months.

Any help would be appreciated,

Josh
I don't know what is their rule but I heard from someone joined already, and he said he left policing 4 years ago. My guess, they do same rule for interstate and international recruits
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I don't know what is their rule but I heard from someone joined already, and he said he left policing 4 years ago. My guess, they do same rule for interstate and international recruits
Well that sounds promising, thank you.

Also does anyone know what visa that get you on at the start?

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Originally Posted by wip3out8oy
Well that sounds promising, thank you.

Also does anyone know what visa that get you on at the start?

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It is a permanent residency. You can add your partner and dependents. They also get PR with you, without restrictions
Have a look at their FAQ for internationals.

https://www.policerecruit.qld.gov.au...ce-recruitment
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It is a permanent residency. You can add your partner and dependents. They also get PR with you, without restrictions
Have a look at their FAQ for internationals.
I see it now, thanks!

It is the 186 Labour Agreement Visa

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