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Gavin1510 Jul 4th 2012 7:34 am

Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi guys, my husband got Canadian citizenship but living in uk and works with Kent police. Is there any chance that he can get transfer over Canada or if we move there he will get a job of same level? Is he supposed to do some training or some tests? What r the career prospects of police officer in Canada? What about salary? If can transfer, then how long will take ? MANY THANKS

stewie_griffin Jul 4th 2012 7:21 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
You can't transfer as such. You just resign from whatever force you're in in the UK and then try and join a Canadian force. If you're already a Canadian citizen you could do it tomorrow.

Gavin1510 Jul 5th 2012 9:13 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Has he had to do some training there before joining...

stewie_griffin Jul 5th 2012 10:08 pm

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Yes. All the training a normal Canadian recruit would do, starting from the very bottom*. On the upside, after 5 years in a Western Canadian force, you could be making about what a Superintendent makes in the UK.

*As far as I know.

Gavin1510 Jul 5th 2012 11:02 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Thanks

Pincher Jul 6th 2012 11:38 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi,
I'm with Kent. Went through the whole process with OPP some years ago, but couldn't take up there offer.
PM me for a chat if you want about their process.

dreadsoc Jul 7th 2012 2:21 am

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Hi Gavin

I just noticed that you are a new poster so wanted to say welcome to BE and the Police forum.
Looks like you are already getting some useful replies from other posters so all the best.

Dread - x

Boy d Jul 11th 2012 3:21 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by stewie_griffin (Post 10156992)
Yes. All the training a normal Canadian recruit would do, starting from the very bottom*. On the upside, after 5 years in a Western Canadian force, you could be making about what a Superintendent makes in the UK.

*As far as I know.

true about the earnings. A level on e cst here makes around the equivalent of 55,000 pounds per year. As a Sgt it's about 70 k pounds, with over time more like 100,000 pounds:thumbsup:

D_R May 28th 2013 12:29 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi,

I'm interested in any advice anyone can offer about joining the canadian police as a UK officer.

Thanks

nige1521 May 28th 2013 9:45 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi D_R,

What kind of advice are you looking for? There are several ex UK Officers on this forum who are now in Canadian Police Services.

Feel free to PM me.

Regards

Nige

paul5132 Jun 20th 2013 7:04 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi Nige,

Im interested in transferring over to Canada with the Police but dont know the process, i have emailed some forces over there and they state i need to be a permanent resident before i apply, but how do i do this if i am already in the force here??? could you PM me and give me some advice?

Thanks,

Paul

Dubnut76 Jun 26th 2013 5:45 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi,

I'm a new forum member and I am interested in getting out of the UK and across to Canada as a police officer. I currently serve in the UK and feel that a change is in order.
I'm looking toward Toronto area as I have relatives in and around there. I'd welcome any advice that would help.

Cheers.

nige1521 Jun 26th 2013 5:52 pm

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Hi Dubnut76,

At the moment, no Police Service in Canada except for BC Transit Police (Vancouver area) are recruiting internationally. If you already have citizenship or PR, then you can apply to any police service in Canada, so long as they are recruiting locally.

If you wish to apply to the RCMP, then you must be a Canadian Citizen.

Kind Regards

Nige

Dubnut76 Jun 26th 2013 6:02 pm

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Nige,

I'm guessing I ought to go down the route of getting citizenship or permanent residency first.
I would look to BC as I have friends out there but my own family would struggle with travel if coming over to visit given that all the others are Ontario based.

Thanks for the advice,

Kenny aka Dubnut76

MetPolice2014 Jan 8th 2014 4:40 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hello, I am a police officer with The Metropolitan Police Service. I have a question: is it really that impossible to transfer from uk police forces to places like Canada and the U.S.A? :goodpost:

nige1521 Jan 8th 2014 4:54 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Hi,

No, it's not as easy as that. At the moment from the Canadian perspective, no Police Service within Canada is recruiting internationally. You must hold either Canadian Citizenship or be a Permanent Resident to apply (Citizen for RCMP).

When services like Edmonton Police and Calgary Police were recruiting internationally (When myself and others moved across), it was not a transfer. It was still the complete application process and recruit training, although, pay wise, your previous service was recognized.

Will, the position change? Who knows, but for the moment, unless you pre-qualify (Immigration status wise), Canada is a No.

Kind Regards

Nigel

civilservant Jan 8th 2014 5:08 pm

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Certainly to the US yes it is pretty much impossible, since forces do not and will not pay to sponsor you for a visa, and most require you to hold US Citizenship.

MetPolice2014 Jan 8th 2014 5:35 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in. Perhaps I will try USA police forces. Will I have any luck? (probably not) but that's life.
Thanks again

civilservant Jan 8th 2014 5:36 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by MetPolice2014 (Post 11069185)
Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in. Perhaps I will try USA police forces. Will I have any luck? (probably not) but that's life.
Thanks again

See my response above.

Don't fancy Australia?

nige1521 Jan 8th 2014 5:44 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
You have to remember, it's not just about allowing other international police services to transfer in. It's about National Immigration Policy, providing opportunity for Canadian (US) residents to apply for their own services. Yes, experience is welcomed but Policing here is a different ballgame. I am fortunate to have been given the opportunity to work here, as are others. But, the factors that governed us moving over, were National and Provincial policies, not purely the Service we applied for.

Nigel

christmasoompa Jan 8th 2014 9:21 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by MetPolice2014 (Post 11069101)
Hello, I am a police officer with The Metropolitan Police Service. I have a question: is it really that impossible to transfer from uk police forces to places like Canada and the U.S.A? :goodpost:

As said above, you won't get a visa for the US or Canada as a police officer.

However, if you can get yourself Permanent Residency (for Canada) or a green card (for the US) then you can move and apply for jobs. Have a look at the following two Wiki articles to see if you qualify for a visa using another route, such as a spouse's job etc -

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Pulaski's_Ways%3A_How_to_Live_and_Work_in_the_USA

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Quick_...an_Immigration

Failing that, Australia?

HTH. Good luck.

ann m Jan 16th 2014 4:43 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by MetPolice2014 (Post 11069185)
Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in

Why is it ridiculous? They have enough local talent applying right now. When they don't get enough interest from inside Canada, they might look outside. Same as everywhere else really. :)

rae Feb 4th 2014 10:23 pm

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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 11080834)
Why is it ridiculous? They have enough local talent applying right now. When they don't get enough interest from inside Canada, they might look outside. Same as everywhere else really. :)

my thoughts exactly. unfortunately if you have an attitude of entitlement before you even apply you will be unsuccessful, it is a privilege to work and live here, not an entitlement.

gigi69 Mar 28th 2014 6:56 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by MetPolice2014 (Post 11069185)
Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in.

I personally think that even recognising "ex police service internationally" is too much, when a foreign trained specialist comes to Canada they don't get their previous work experience recognised by default, so why should yours be ? Get in the line like every other immigrant and sweat your way through the regular immigration process, you are not that special. Canada is an independent and sovereign state these days, not a UK colony like it used to.
As a Canadian I also find the direct recruitment of foreign trained police officers very disappointing, I simply can't believe that they cannot find well-suited candidates here. Canada is not a thirld world country, after all, and UK is not the golden standard of the world, no matter how much you'd like it to be.

geordiebloke Mar 28th 2014 7:40 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11194178)
I personally think that even recognising "ex police service internationally" is too much, when a foreign trained specialist comes to Canada they don't get their previous work experience recognised by default, so why should yours be ? Get in the line like every other immigrant and sweat your way through the regular immigration process, you are not that special. Canada is an independent and sovereign state these days, not a UK colony like it used to.
As a Canadian I also find the direct recruitment of foreign trained police officers very disappointing, I simply can't believe that they cannot find well-suited candidates here. Canada is not a thirld world country, after all, and UK is not the golden standard of the world, no matter how much you'd like it to be.

Haha.............would you like vinegar to go with that chip on your shoulder?????

nige1521 Mar 28th 2014 4:19 pm

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Hi all,

Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals. That is the reality of it, like it or not.

Regards

Nige

gigi69 Mar 28th 2014 9:54 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by nige1521 (Post 11194743)
Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals. That is the reality of it, like it or not.

Maybe, but this is not a reason to go look abroad, be it in the UK or in any other country. I've never heard about German, Spanish, French or US police advertising recruitment in foreign countries because they "find it difficult to find good quality applicants" in their own. It's like saying Canadians are mostly a bunch of criminals, that's how I read it.
It's true that in Alberta people are choosing the better paid jobs in the oil fields, but this is not the case in other provinces like Ontario or the Maritimes, plenty of unemployment there, maybe you should look harder there instead of wasting taxpayers' money on trips to the UK. And I'm not the only one who's thinking like this, just read the comments from this article
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tra...929/story.html

gigi69 Mar 28th 2014 9:55 pm

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Originally Posted by geordiebloke (Post 11194190)
Haha.............would you like vinegar to go with that chip on your shoulder?????

Yes, sometimes.

gigi69 Mar 28th 2014 10:47 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by nige1521 (Post 11194743)
Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals.

I hear you, after seeing how you guys had to settle with people like Rob Furlong and Jack Redlick ... /sarcasm

gigi69 Mar 30th 2014 1:35 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 
I was bored today so I looked into the MET recruitment process. I found something very interesting :)

from here http://www.ncalt.com/pre-join-mps/index.html
Nationality
Are you a British citizen, a citizen of a country that is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland?

Residency
The MPS must vet all applicants in an equitable manner. We do not currently have the means of facilitating vetting enquiries overseas to the extent required for those who have been resident in the UK. That’s why this is part of our eligibility criteria.
Will you have resided continuously in the UK for the three year period immediately prior to your application to join the MPS (with any absence from the UK being no more than six months during this time)?


If Canada would use the same standards then Nige wouldn't be a policeman in Edmonton today, yet some users (like MetPolice2014) bicker that they can't just hop on a plane and land a job in Canada, including previous service recognition and such.
ps : and let's not forget about all the labour restrictions the UK has imposed on the new EU contries since 2004 ...

old.sparkles Mar 30th 2014 2:16 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11196286)
I was bored today so I looked into the MET recruitment process. I found something very interesting :)

from here http://www.ncalt.com/pre-join-mps/index.html
Nationality
Are you a British citizen, a citizen of a country that is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland?

Residency
The MPS must vet all applicants in an equitable manner. We do not currently have the means of facilitating vetting enquiries overseas to the extent required for those who have been resident in the UK. That’s why this is part of our eligibility criteria.
Will you have resided continuously in the UK for the three year period immediately prior to your application to join the MPS (with any absence from the UK being no more than six months during this time)?


If Canada would use the same standards then Nige wouldn't be a policeman in Edmonton today, yet some users (like MetPolice2014) bicker that they can't just hop on a plane and land a job in Canada, including previous service recognition and such.
ps : and let's not forget about all the labour restrictions the UK has imposed on the new EU contries since 2004 ...

I had a quick look at the link you posted - which is for new police officers, and looking at transferring as an experienced officer I cannot see the condition - http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/of...nsferring.html

Each force sets their own criteria I guess, and other countries recruit internationally, not just Canada (although as has been said, Edmonton police are not looking to recruit internationally at this time). I would also assume that since international recruitment is not a cheap or quick option, if sufficient suitable applications were received from the local population it would not be an option at all.

gigi69 Mar 30th 2014 3:04 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 11196324)
I had a quick look at the link you posted - which is for new police officers, and looking at transferring as an experienced officer I cannot see the condition - http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/of...nsferring.html

I have a feeling that those conditions are for someone coming from another UK police force to the MET, not from abroad. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 11196324)
Each force sets their own criteria I guess, and other countries recruit internationally, not just Canada.

Yeah, Canada and Australia ... I still can't find any ads from US or Germany :)

old.sparkles Mar 30th 2014 3:19 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11196365)
I have a feeling that those conditions are for someone coming from another UK police force to the MET, not from abroad. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Yeah, Canada and Australia ... I still can't find any ads from US or Germany :)

I'm sorry - I can't help you more. I know that other police forces have officers from EU countries. I have also met a French gendarme who was British but no idea of how they joined. I do now that RCIPS is recruiting internationally again - I've seen the thread in this forum. Any force must have a minimum manning requirement and if it cannot be met locally then they will look to recruit elsewhere - same as all occupations.

Edit - sorry, to add - although WAPOL are currently recruiting, and other Australian forces have done so in the past, the AFP (Australian Federal Police) have a requirement that you must be an Australian Citizen to serve with them

rae Mar 30th 2014 1:25 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 11196373)
I'm sorry - I can't help you more. I know that other police forces have officers from EU countries. I have also met a French gendarme who was British but no idea of how they joined. I do now that RCIPS is recruiting internationally again - I've seen the thread in this forum. Any force must have a minimum manning requirement and if it cannot be met locally then they will look to recruit elsewhere - same as all occupations.

Edit - sorry, to add - although WAPOL are currently recruiting, and other Australian forces have done so in the past, the AFP (Australian Federal Police) have a requirement that you must be an Australian Citizen to serve with them

I would not feed the troll further, clearly anti-police and has popped up on a police thread for no other reason than to stir the pot.

The reasons for recruitment outside the city, then province, then internationally are blindingly obvious to anyone with a notion of common sense, socio-political awareness and how younger people now see policing, against those of us who joined many years ago. The alternative to this is do what has happened elsewhere, lower standards significantly to the point where you appeal to a wider pool of applicants, thus avoiding the need to recruit anywhere other than locally and one of the reasons other countries are not using this method of recruitment.

This policy of international recruitment should be applauded not derided, it brings diversity to the job and allows us to become even more representative of the community we serve, which has a large proportion of immigrants funnily enough.

rae Mar 30th 2014 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11195111)
Maybe, but this is not a reason to go look abroad, be it in the UK or in any other country. I've never heard about German, Spanish, French or US police advertising recruitment in foreign countries because they "find it difficult to find good quality applicants" in their own. It's like saying Canadians are mostly a bunch of criminals, that's how I read it.
It's true that in Alberta people are choosing the better paid jobs in the oil fields, but this is not the case in other provinces like Ontario or the Maritimes, plenty of unemployment there, maybe you should look harder there instead of wasting taxpayers' money on trips to the UK. And I'm not the only one who's thinking like this, just read the comments from this article
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tra...929/story.html

It is a shame you did not print this bit from your own link....

"All Canadian police departments struggle to find qualified recruits, Drennan added. She said she didn’t know the force’s retention rate for officers, but denied it was a “revolving door.”

“We require our applicants to be held to a very high standard,” Drennan said. “The pool of applicants in Canada is finite and all municipal police departments and the RCMP are attempting to hire from that same pool.

“So that obviously makes it much more difficult to find good applicants.”

gigi69 Mar 30th 2014 7:26 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by rae (Post 11196710)
I would not feed the troll further, clearly anti-police and has popped up on a police thread for no other reason than to stir the pot.

Lol, you have no idea how far from reality you are. I have the utmost respect for LEOs. Same goes for EMTs and firefighters. Please show me a single anti-police word I've said.
Just to be clear, my rant was triggered by someone (MetPolice2014) who thinks he/she is entitled to jump in front of the immigration line just because he/she is British and works for MET.
Rae, I am under the impression that you are a police officer. I don't have time to read all your 3,226 posts, but if this is true maybe you should work on your comprehension, I've heard it's a skill you really need on this job.


Originally Posted by rae (Post 11196710)
The alternative to this is do what has happened elsewhere, lower standards significantly to the point where you appeal to a wider pool of applicants, thus avoiding the need to recruit anywhere other than locally and one of the reasons other countries are not using this method of recruitment.

This is another slap in the face of all the other fine police forces in the world, and in the face of Canadians. Oh, look at us, we are the best police force in the world and we have the highest standards ... Unfortunately our society can't provide us with good quality applicants, hence we have to go recruit in the only other country in the world that has the same high standards like us, the almighty UK. Gimme a break, will you ?


Originally Posted by rae (Post 11196710)
This policy of international recruitment should be applauded not derided, it brings diversity to the job and allows us to become even more representative of the community we serve, which has a large proportion of immigrants funnily enough.

Lol again. You know what would bring diversity to the job ? Having recruitment drives in China, in Philippines, in India, in Pakistan. All these countries send more immigrants to Canada than UK. Way more. I haven't heard yet about something like this. I'm pretty sure that among the 33,018 immigrants that came here from China, the 32,747 from Philippines and the 28,943 from India in 2012 there would be 2 or 3 who would be "good quality applicants to meet our goals", as Nige said. Unless they're all illiterate, fat, dumb criminals ...

gigi69 Mar 30th 2014 7:31 pm

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 11196716)
It is a shame you did not print this bit from your own link....

Lol. What else did you expect her to say ?

rae Mar 30th 2014 8:43 pm

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11197080)
Lol, you have no idea how far from reality you are. I have the utmost respect for LEOs. Same goes for EMTs and firefighters. Please show me a single anti-police word I've said.
Just to be clear, my rant was triggered by someone (MetPolice2014) who thinks he/she is entitled to jump in front of the immigration line just because he/she is British and works for MET.
Rae, I am under the impression that you are a police officer. I don't have time to read all your 3,226 posts, but if this is true maybe you should work on your comprehension, I've heard they're a skill you really need on this job.


This is another slap in the face of all the other fine police forces in the world, and in the face of Canadians. Oh, look at us, we are the best police force in the world and we have the highest standards ... Unfortunately our society can't provide us with good quality applicants, hence we have to go recruit in the only other country in the world that has the same high standards like us, the almighty UK. Gimme a break, will you ?


Lol again. You know what would bring diversity to the job ? Having recruitment drives in China, in Philippines, in India, in Pakistan. All these countries send more immigrants to Canada than UK. Way more. I haven't heard yet about something like this. I'm pretty sure that among the 33,018 immigrants that came here from China, the 32,747 from Philippines and the 28,943 from India in 2012 there would be 2 or 3 who would be "good quality applicants to meet our goals", as Nige said. Unless they're all illiterate, fat, dumb criminals ...

Like I say, troll, not engaging anymore so feel free to go away.

stewie_griffin Mar 30th 2014 11:22 pm

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Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11197080)
Lol again. You know what would bring diversity to the job ? Having recruitment drives in China, in Philippines, in India, in Pakistan.

They're next.

ann m Mar 31st 2014 5:42 am

Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
 

Originally Posted by gigi69 (Post 11197080)
You know what would bring diversity to the job ? Having recruitment drives in China, in Philippines, in India, in Pakistan. All these countries send more immigrants to Canada than UK. Way more. I haven't heard yet about something like this. I'm pretty sure that among the 33,018 immigrants that came here from China, the 32,747 from Philippines and the 28,943 from India in 2012 there would be 2 or 3 who would be "good quality applicants to meet our goals".

Calgary Police tried China I think, but did not have much success.

It's not just a case of trying the popular immigrant countries - it's surely a case of trying to find recruits to match policing styles and with a similar (policing) culture? Most of ex UK guys that came out on the previous wave of recruitment around 2007/2008 were bums on seats that could hit the ground running, so to speak. And even then it wasn't completely smooth sailing. But culturally, it was a quick fix for the Canadian services.


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