gigi69

It's sad if policing has become a business, that's all I have to say.

ann m

You're naive if you think it isn't a business these days.

gigi69

I totally agree with you. Probably one of the reasons why I'll never become a police officer.

gigi69

I just found this article. Like ann m said, looks like everything's a business these days. Well, at least EPS pays more than minimum wage, unlike McDonald’s and Tim Hortons

The Bank of Canada, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Tim Hortons, McDonald’s, Maple Leaf Foods, the City of Vancouver, the Edmonton Police Service and eateries of various vintages are among the thousands of employers who’ve been approved for accelerated labour market opinions: Their need for foreign workers, they said (and the federal government agreed), was so urgent they required an expedited approval process.
http://globalnews.ca/news/474208/who...-be-surprised/

nige1521

Hi Gigi,

I have just read that article, but what it doesn't say is that Police Officers within the Edmonton Police Service have never been hired as a Temporary Foreign Worker. The rules regarding the hiring of Police officers are mandated and can only be either Permanent Residents or Canadian Citizens.

In relation to a previous post on this thread, Policing in the US is a completely different ballgame to Policing in Canada, in respect of legislation and policy. In defence of the UK system, Policing in respect of legislation and policy is comparable, with a lot of Canadian Law being based on UK Common Law.

I'm not here to say, where is the best place to recruit from, I am simply saying we as a Police Service, as well as other Canadian Police Services need a structured plan to deal with a National decline in applicants.

Nigel

gigi69

I didn't say that, I posted it because I find it funny to find EPS competing for workers next to Tim Hortons and McDonalds . If there's anything wrong with the article I think you should get in touch with Globalnews.
There is no such thing as a "national decline in applicants", worst case scenario you could say there is an "Albertan/Edmontonian decline in applicants", and even then I would disagree. If there would be a "national decline in applicants" you would see SPVM and SQ recruiting in France, OPP, TPS and VPD recruiting in the UK/US/NZ/AU etc.
But as far as I remember only EPS and SCBCTAPS thought their standards are high enough that they needed to go to the UK ...

nige1521

Hi,

I think the RAND Corporation who compiled a report on recruitment and retention for North American Police Agencies as well as a report compiled by the Canadian Police Sector Council would disagree with you.

I'm not making any of this up, these are actual reports compiled with research. To further back up those comments, we see it on a day to day basis.

I will say no more on the subject, like i said, I'm not here to say where is the best place to recruit from. I'm merely saying we need to "think outside the box".

Kind Regards

Nigel

gigi69

Is this the report you're referring to ? http://cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/1...tRetention.pdf
If this is the one, I only see Canada mentioned in the bibliography (I admit I didn't read all 90 pages, I only did a keyword search)
Plus, you can't compare policing in the US with policing in Canada. Their job is way more dangerous and they get paid less, of course they'll have retention and hiring problems ... policing in Edmonton is a walk in the park compared to LA, NY or Detroit.
Here you have some links
http://www.joinlapd.com/salary.html
http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview
compare to http://www.joineps.ca/WhyEPS/Salary.aspx
As for the Canadian Police Sector Council report, could you please provide a link to it ? I didn't know which one to pick from here http://www.policecouncil.ca/?page_id=2494
I also have some first hand stories from people deferred for stuff like not declaring a purse at the border or smoking a joint with some friends at a party, even though their past was probably cleaner than some of your present colleagues ...
But in the end this discussion is moot, my opinions won't change a thing, and you have to defend the actions of your employer.
Best wishes !

christmasoompa

That article's old and completely out of date - the A-LMO scheme was scrapped back in August 2013!

gigi69

True, and it was due to the outcry of Canadians like me who don't think there's a real shortage of workers, only a shortage of companies willing to pay proper wages.
ps : August 2013 wasn't that far away, at least not by my standards

gigi69

Looks like that old and completely out of date article is not so old and completely out of date after all ...

McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tion-1.2607365

Maybe McDonald's should go to the UK on a hiring spree

christmasoompa

Well, it was out of date as it was about the A-LMO program, which is an immigration program that hasn't existed for quite a while now.

McDonalds has blanket LMO's in place, as do places like Tim Hortons etc, because they can't find enough Canadians to do minimum wage jobs with crappy shift patterns. It's been that way for a looooong time, but has nothing to do with the police.

I'm confused, but what is the purpose of you posting these articles? You're not a police officer, and it bears absolutely no relevance to this thread about police recruitment anyway, so what's the point?

stewie_griffin

Surely the EPS recruitment problems would be over instantly if they were able to recruit people on work visas or as temporary foreign workers?

They would also solve all their recruitment problems if they lowered the standards to allow, say 80% of all applicants to join and simultaneously doubled the starting salary.

But neither of these scenarios is realistic, which puts the police in Western Canada in a difficult position.

gigi69

What difference would it make if I'd be one ? Would my arguments be more valuable in your eyes ?
And how come you are so sure I'm not ?

christmasoompa

Erm, let me think. Possibly because you've said so yourself?!

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=48