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Old Sep 6th 2007, 8:23 am
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Received an email from my agent today saying that I have failed my appeal against the 1st decision

I was appealing against the TRA decision that I failed to meet the criteria of a general plumber. Im a sprinkler fitter or as they call in the the specialisation of a general plumber (a fire service plumber). What they are saying is that I need to demonstrate that the application had undertaken training and work experience for a period of not less than 6 years as a trade level general plumber.
I know loads of fire service plumbers from oz that work in the uk, and you don't need to do a 6 years plumbers coarse, let alone 1 day before you can specialize as fire service plumber.

So what I can't work out, is why do they have a Fire Service plumber as a similar occupation when they don't really mean it and shouldn't they wrote in small print somewhere that they require you to be a plumber of 6 years experience, before they can even consider you for the 4431-11 fire service plumber.
Is it me or does this seem conflicting.

Fingers crossed my agent has now sent the director of the TRA a letter stating our case.


http://www.dimia.gov.au/asri/occupat...al-4431-11.htm
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Old Sep 6th 2007, 9:38 am
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Hi,
sorry to hear your news,didnt your agent know this before he sent it off,hope it all works out for you.
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Old Sep 6th 2007, 9:49 am
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Hi,
sorry to hear your news,didnt your agent know this before he sent it off,hope it all works out for you.
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I did ask my agent the 1st time back in Jan, about me only being a fire service plumber and this is what reply I received


The specialisation of Fire Services Plumber is part of the General Plumber occupation in the eyes of Trades Recognition Australia so this should help with your skills assessment.

obviously it didn't
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Im really sorry to hear your news i hope you have a positive outcome off your agent

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I did ask my agent the 1st time back in Jan, about me only being a fire service plumber and this is what reply I received


The specialisation of Fire Services Plumber is part of the General Plumber occupation in the eyes of Trades Recognition Australia so this should help with your skills assessment.

obviously it didn't
Change your agent or ask for a more senior case worker, that is rubbish
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Change your agent or ask for a more senior case worker, that is rubbish
Agents fine just TRA can be a law unto itself.
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must admit mate, really shit for you but, your agent should know you need 6 yrs. i'm not an agent did my hubs TRA as sparky and he needed 7yrs experience, dosnt matter if he was qualified or not just needed 7yrs.... bummer though. good luck with whatever you decide x S-j
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must admit mate, really shit for you but, your agent should know you need 6 yrs. i'm not an agent did my hubs TRA as sparky and he needed 7yrs experience, dosnt matter if he was qualified or not just needed 7yrs.... bummer though. good luck with whatever you decide x S-j
I have 20 years experience as a sprinkler fitter but not as a plumber.
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Hi rocket sorry to hear about your predicament. keep plugging away you'll get there in the end best of luck
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Hi rocket sorry to hear about your predicament. keep plugging away you'll get there in the end best of luck
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Originally Posted by rocket01 View Post
Received an email from my agent today saying that I have failed my appeal against the 1st decision

I was appealing against the TRA decision that I failed to meet the criteria of a general plumber. Im a sprinkler fitter or as they call in the the specialisation of a general plumber (a fire service plumber). What they are saying is that I need to demonstrate that the application had undertaken training and work experience for a period of not less than 6 years as a trade level general plumber.
I know loads of fire service plumbers from oz that work in the uk, and you don't need to do a 6 years plumbers coarse, let alone 1 day before you can specialize as fire service plumber.

So what I can't work out, is why do they have a Fire Service plumber as a similar occupation when they don't really mean it and shouldn't they wrote in small print somewhere that they require you to be a plumber of 6 years experience, before they can even consider you for the 4431-11 fire service plumber.
Is it me or does this seem conflicting.

Fingers crossed my agent has now sent the director of the TRA a letter stating our case.


http://www.dimia.gov.au/asri/occupat...al-4431-11.htm
Who was your agent so we know not to use them Doh, best of luck with your new appeal.

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Old Sep 6th 2007, 7:24 pm
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Who was your agent so we know not to use them Doh, best of luck with your new appeal.

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Like I said Im very happy with my agent, Its just the TRA who dont seem to have a brain on this 1.
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Hey rocket just had my tra returned because of no quals the barstewards:curse:
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Originally Posted by rocket01 View Post
Received an email from my agent today saying that I have failed my appeal against the 1st decision

I was appealing against the TRA decision that I failed to meet the criteria of a general plumber. Im a sprinkler fitter or as they call in the the specialisation of a general plumber (a fire service plumber). What they are saying is that I need to demonstrate that the application had undertaken training and work experience for a period of not less than 6 years as a trade level general plumber.
I know loads of fire service plumbers from oz that work in the uk, and you don't need to do a 6 years plumbers coarse, let alone 1 day before you can specialize as fire service plumber.

So what I can't work out, is why do they have a Fire Service plumber as a similar occupation when they don't really mean it and shouldn't they wrote in small print somewhere that they require you to be a plumber of 6 years experience, before they can even consider you for the 4431-11 fire service plumber.
Is it me or does this seem conflicting.

Fingers crossed my agent has now sent the director of the TRA a letter stating our case.


http://www.dimia.gov.au/asri/occupat...al-4431-11.htm
Really feel for you mate. Keep trying thats all |I can suggest. I know what you mean though - anyone from Oz can seemingly come to UK to do any trade whereas the other way round its absolutely crazy. Like most things here (well in plumbing anyway) you don't need any formal qualifications at all to set up your own business - anyone can (and do!) do it! Crazy [I] know but thats the state of UK I guess.
Head up keep plodding on.
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Old Nov 24th 2007, 11:43 am
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I was invited to appeal against the 2nd decision, my agent thinks I just might get a postive result this time, I must be the only person ever to apply 3 times
I'm expecting to hear any day now as this appeal was submitted over 3 weeks ago.
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