Jingsamichty

"Dear reader...he married her."

It's not so easy to say he owes her nothing because he shot himself in the foot by marrying her. Bigamy or no, his dilemma now is a magnitude greater than it would have been if he hadn't ignored all sensible advice about marriage.

I agree with making an offer, seeing it rejected, then making a lower offer. But the most sensible thing of all would have been to delete her number when he left the "marital" home. The penny would have dropped for her by now. The fact that he's still in this up to his neck is because he has been engaging with her on a regular basis.

However, I offer my best wishes for an eventual peaceful retirement for you, P11.

Elgin1983

This.

mikek1

i have to agree. LL1 is clearly being guided by a good atourney or knowledable freinds. Mediation is part of the judiciary system, criminal or civil. Although it is not mandatory to appear, both parties have to give notice to the court of why they will not be attending. I beleive that P11s attourney did not advice the court. For that matter P11s attourney supposed to have made an appeal to squash the case, obviously doubt as to whether this was carried out seems likely. For those that are interested, the Philippine legal system is fully explained on numerous pages on the net.

P11 paid his attourney a substantial amount of money as a retainer. In view of the lack of firm advice he so far has been given I wonder if his attourney has had a good pay day and could not care if he won or lost the case. After all what has she got to lose ? If his attourney had 10 such cases as P11 that would gross 1 million php, not a small sum in the Philippines. Of course his attourney could have large overheads, secratarys, plush offices, state of art Communication etc. There is an attourney on literally each Street corner in the provinces, none have such overheads ( Manila excepted).
My gut feeling is that dispite all the inuendo ( from both parties) the residing judge will award LL1 a very reasonable financial settlement. Should LL1 have a bout of crocodile tears the settlement could be much higher. P11 states that 4 attourneys have told him to expect to win. Having Read his latest comments I think this certainly would not be the case.
P11 has so far paid out a large amount of money for legal fees, and this will only increase if both parties decide to accuse each other of pointless accusations.The bail money that P11 deposited will be used to pay any court fees or fines, before giving him any balance. P11 should have registered the bigamy case against LL1 immeadiatly he knew she was married.
The financial cards are clearly stacked against P11. Others have suggested the best probable option for P11 is to exit the Philippines while he can.I would agree with that sentiment, why would anyone want to live here on a meagre amount of money without any back up funds ?

freebie

SAdly all his " back up " funds went paying for her various scams, her " needs to pay this and that ", and of course the requirements of pamily along with the lazy cow daughter. Saw him as a soft touch, and he contributed by being a soft touch in a land he didnt know or have any experience of. This country takes a long time to get to to know... its like learning how to play Test cricket, but every newbie comes here and after scoring with the first girl, thinks if like T20 cricket.....

jaygee68

"Dear reader...he married her."

Of course,yes.I appreciate that.Maybe i was being somewhat strident with my opinion,but at the end of the day,this is/was a bigamous marriage,and hopefully will be classed as void in a Filipino court of law.,and hence,no payable allowance will be enforced.As you say,maybe the best thing would have been to get out of there when he had the chance.Now,it seems he is trapped and being slowly suffocated in a giant Venus Fly-Trap of a legal nature.Not unlike quicksand,the more vigorously you thrash and panic,the quicker you become engulfed and consumed by your nemesis.

I wish him all the luck in the world in his attempts to extricate himself from this very precarious situation.

Elgin1983

I thought this was a criminal case rather than civil/divorce settlement case, in which case P11 would face a criminal penalty if he is convicted but not a payout to WW? Or am I wrong? Is there even a difference between civil and criminal in this third world "justice" system, or can the judge just order whatever he feels like?

Furthermore, there is obviously no way to enforce payouts once P11 has left the Philippines, either by choice or by deportation. If the judge does indeed order him to pay WW either a large lump sum or a regular monthly amount and he is unable to do so, will he be prevented from leaving, and possibly even detained, until he finds the money from somewhere?

Rete

Good Morning Luv

No words of wisdom or thoughts on how to march forward to victory. Just stopped by to offer my support and good wishes.

Rita

EnglishRed

Still don't know why P11 hasn't applied for a copy of the marriage certificate, If it's not registered it could strengthen his hand.

jaygee68

".... and possibly even detained, until he finds the money from somewhere?"

Those Filipino jails do not look very nice.Fish head soup with maggot infused rice everyday would sharp sicken me.I would get out ASAP.

morpeth

A year and twp years ago there were several posts giving the opinion to just leave the philippines.That advice is even better now. My suggestion is agree to whatever she wants, then just kiss the Philippines goodbye. Keep it simple, don't over think it or trust some Philippine lawer. This endless saga just gets worse.

I don't know whether you know what Philippine prisons are like. but if there is even a remote chance of such an outcome, just focus on getting out of the country. The main prison in Manila is mainly run by the inmates themselves, and overcrowded due the drug war there-and without money, the situation is even more barbaric.

freebie

All prisons in Philippines are run by the inmates, in a very similar way to barangays , the system set up by the spanish for some sort of elected self governance.
New arrivals in prisons , start at the bottom of the rank, and slowly work their way up, according to trust levels and whether you are in with the group that runs the place. There are a few groups that provide support for foreigner prisoners but not many, at least not in New Bilibid in Muntinlupa Manila.
The key to survival in prison is to have someone with access to money who is outside the prison. That way you can get food, maybe use of phone and in some cases VIP rooms and even ladies for overnighters !!... now, the gaurds take a portion of all payments but thats just the system. The more money you have accee to, the better your stay will be.... but of course when people know you have money, then you need a padrino or two amongst the guards and the leadership group to keep you out of trouble. Mr Philisophical seems such a decent fellow, schooled in manners and trying to do the right thing, and its very clear prison would not be a place he should see, except from the outrside.

mikek1

It is unlikely P11 will be given a custonial sentence. Mediation hearings are held to save the courts time, thus reducing the backlog of cases. If a serious crime is committed such as murder, mediation is not applicable.The charges against P11 do not carry a lenghly period of jail time. Although it is a criminal case it does border on being a civil case. Had P11 come to some agreement at the mediation hearing the case would have been withdrawn.
Due to P11 and the LL ( note I do not refer to LL as WW due to P11s previous glorification of her) not being able to reach a settlement the case will now enter pre trial hearings. The judge could award a decision after the pre trial, otherwise further hearings will be needed ( more expense). If both parties decide to fight their corner, court proceedings could be numerous and take a very long time for a resolution.
From my court experience in the Philippines ........expect the unexpected. That saying, I again would wager P11s case to be finalized via a monthly payment to the LL. I would be more concerned with any possible BI visa Issues should they arrise.
i am not a expert on legal matters ( novice, but information is available on the net) however I do feel that P11s attourny should be doing more to outline the possibe consequences. Legal matters are normally settled by presidence of prior cases, if P11s attourny has experience of similar cases she should have knowledge of the outcome........there again .....expect the unexpected !

Elgin1983

mike, if the judge orders monthly payments to WW for an indefinite period, what is to stop P11 just leaving the Philippines and not paying? Once the case is over and the verdict given, can he be prevented from leaving (assuming it is not a custodial or deportation sentence)?

scot47

I hope our unfortunate hero emerges realively unscathed.

jaygee68

"I hope our unfortunate hero emerges realively unscathed."

Sadly,I don't think anything can be done now.The quicksand has taken him.It's a grim situation.