Me and My Family
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My first line of defence will be my response. Maybe the prosecutor will dismiss the case because she is a bigamist and our marriage is void. etc. Yes...wishful thinking maybe. If it goes to court and I am unlucky to be found guilty then because of my age I should not go to jail. The fine will be based on mitigating factors I guess.And a real possibility of being deported. But I will fight this and not be driven out of the country.
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"And a real possibility of being deported. But I will fight this and not be driven out of the country."
I have a crazy picture in my mind of you being dragged through the terminal at NAIA thrashing and flailing ,shouting to the six guys accompanying you...."I am an Englishman and ex-military....i am going to fight this deportation,and will NOT be driven from the country."
I have a crazy picture in my mind of you being dragged through the terminal at NAIA thrashing and flailing ,shouting to the six guys accompanying you...."I am an Englishman and ex-military....i am going to fight this deportation,and will NOT be driven from the country."
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I fear this will be a case of the wife's lawyer taking a cut from whatever they expect to extract from the OP and then passing on the promise of a cut to the judge, police etc until expectations become so high that they can never be met... he did mention a video of her trying to strangle his dog, I had a vision of a demonic looking Filipina, eyes full of hate strangling the family pet which might be useful in court!
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P11 would be unable to leave the Philippines with a possible court case pending. His subpoena would have been logged with various government agencies. An exit clearance certificate would not be granted, therefore upon entering the airport without a exit clearance certificate he would be denied boarding any international flight. The prosecutor looking at the case brought against him may dismiss the case in which he would be able to leave. Most cases take a considerable amount of time before the prosecutor decides if there is probable cause. Should the prosecutor decide P11 has a case to answer, he will be arrested immediately. Bail would then have to be applied for.
P11s realizations that perhaps it is not such a wonderful family, or surroundings, as he first announced is a common syndrome in the Philippines. In a large number of such occurrences of such , any single foreigner thinking that any Filipino family would welcome them to stay in their home without strings attached is deluded. P11s previous encounter should have taught him this lesson. It’s obvious to me that these so called extended family that just turn up and crash out for endless periods do not have work, and would be unable to assist with the rent , although they may have money to purchase alcohol.
If these squatters did have work I could almost guarantee that they would be in bed at an early hour, this is normal. It would appear that P11s house mates are what can only be described as lazy ‘ low life ‘ individuals.
I advised P11 to move on many occasions however he has not done so, perhaps now he will take my advice.
P11s realizations that perhaps it is not such a wonderful family, or surroundings, as he first announced is a common syndrome in the Philippines. In a large number of such occurrences of such , any single foreigner thinking that any Filipino family would welcome them to stay in their home without strings attached is deluded. P11s previous encounter should have taught him this lesson. It’s obvious to me that these so called extended family that just turn up and crash out for endless periods do not have work, and would be unable to assist with the rent , although they may have money to purchase alcohol.
If these squatters did have work I could almost guarantee that they would be in bed at an early hour, this is normal. It would appear that P11s house mates are what can only be described as lazy ‘ low life ‘ individuals.
I advised P11 to move on many occasions however he has not done so, perhaps now he will take my advice.
There were no strings attached as you put it... Nor was I deluded as you suggest
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Last edited by Philosophical 11; Mar 10th 2020 at 10:37 am.
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P11 would be unable to leave the Philippines with a possible court case pending. His subpoena would have been logged with various government agencies. An exit clearance certificate would not be granted, therefore upon entering the airport without a exit clearance certificate he would be denied boarding any international flight. The prosecutor looking at the case brought against him may dismiss the case in which he would be able to leave. Most cases take a considerable amount of time before the prosecutor decides if there is probable cause. Should the prosecutor decide P11 has a case to answer, he will be arrested immediately. Bail would then have to be applied for.
Originally Posted by mikek1
P11s realizations that perhaps it is not such a wonderful family, or surroundings, as he first announced is a common syndrome in the Philippines. In a large number of such occurrences of such , any single foreigner thinking that any Filipino family would welcome them to stay in their home without strings attached is deluded. P11s previous encounter should have taught him this lesson. It’s obvious to me that these so called extended family that just turn up and crash out for endless periods do not have work, and would be unable to assist with the rent , although they may have money to purchase alcohol.
If these squatters did have work I could almost guarantee that they would be in bed at an early hour, this is normal. It would appear that P11s house mates are what can only be described as lazy ‘ low life ‘ individuals.
I advised P11 to move on many occasions however he has not done so, perhaps now he will take my advice.
If these squatters did have work I could almost guarantee that they would be in bed at an early hour, this is normal. It would appear that P11s house mates are what can only be described as lazy ‘ low life ‘ individuals.
I advised P11 to move on many occasions however he has not done so, perhaps now he will take my advice.
I would also suggest it was more than easy for the ex to know where P11 was currently residing, courtesy of not shutting off social media totally & stopping with the mobile phone contact with assorted folks back where he was living. This was seriously advised on more than one occasion . He chose to go his own way and rely on hiding despite that he has obviously and resolutely remained in contact. It was always going to be known. No surprise there.
Last edited by BEVS; Mar 11th 2020 at 1:33 am. Reason: phew. In time to sort my messed up quotes
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Totally agree with BEVS final observation.
"I would also suggest it was more than easy for the ex to know where P11 was currently residing, courtesy of not shutting off social media totally & stopping with the mobile phone contact with assorted folks back where he was living. This was seriously advised on more than one occasion . He chose to go his own way and rely on hiding despite that he has obviously and resolutely remained in contact. It was always going to be known. No surprise there."
Despite whatever legal advice P11 gets, he is on to a loser. His funds are minimal and you need money to contest a case in court. I am afraid he is looking at the prospect of being escorted out of these islands. It will be a very sad end to what is a downward spiral. God only knows what squalor he is existing in.
"I would also suggest it was more than easy for the ex to know where P11 was currently residing, courtesy of not shutting off social media totally & stopping with the mobile phone contact with assorted folks back where he was living. This was seriously advised on more than one occasion . He chose to go his own way and rely on hiding despite that he has obviously and resolutely remained in contact. It was always going to be known. No surprise there."
Despite whatever legal advice P11 gets, he is on to a loser. His funds are minimal and you need money to contest a case in court. I am afraid he is looking at the prospect of being escorted out of these islands. It will be a very sad end to what is a downward spiral. God only knows what squalor he is existing in.
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COVID-19, P11. It's out of the bag now and will tear through these shanty communities who have no medical options other than dying in government emergency centres. The R-0 is 2-25 to 2.75 (each sick person infects that many others), but this will be higher in places where households more closely resemble clown cars. As an over 70 with health concerns and in unsanitary conditions, I'd get to higher ground immediately - you are right in the crosshairs of the virus. The money you spend now may well save you the cost of a fortnight in a Philippino hospital, or worse. I'd wager that LL would hold power of medical attorney over you as well; not to much arguing you can do against that when you're hooked into a ventilator. Good luck.
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I think P11 is secretly looking forward to his day in court, he is going to burst in like a knight in white shining armour and slay that dragon. Unbeknownst to him it will be more like the knight in the search for the holy grail as he stands there after a good arse wooppin, but it's just a flesh wound honest.
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Totally agree with BEVS final observation.
"I would also suggest it was more than easy for the ex to know where P11 was currently residing, courtesy of not shutting off social media totally & stopping with the mobile phone contact with assorted folks back where he was living. This was seriously advised on more than one occasion . He chose to go his own way and rely on hiding despite that he has obviously and resolutely remained in contact. It was always going to be known. No surprise there."
Despite whatever legal advice P11 gets, he is on to a loser. His funds are minimal and you need money to contest a case in court. I am afraid he is looking at the prospect of being escorted out of these islands. It will be a very sad end to what is a downward spiral. God only knows what squalor he is existing in.
"I would also suggest it was more than easy for the ex to know where P11 was currently residing, courtesy of not shutting off social media totally & stopping with the mobile phone contact with assorted folks back where he was living. This was seriously advised on more than one occasion . He chose to go his own way and rely on hiding despite that he has obviously and resolutely remained in contact. It was always going to be known. No surprise there."
Despite whatever legal advice P11 gets, he is on to a loser. His funds are minimal and you need money to contest a case in court. I am afraid he is looking at the prospect of being escorted out of these islands. It will be a very sad end to what is a downward spiral. God only knows what squalor he is existing in.
No idea where you get the idea of squalor from. Certainly its very basic but untidy.
Moving on..... My legal beagle has said that the attorney reckons I am a 90% winner. When I go to see him, I will find out what the 10% is all about. It could be something as simple as "This is the Philippines " I am hoping first and foremost that it will be dismissed by the prosecutor on grounds I have provided proof that she is a bigamist and if my memory serves me correctly, she has filed under section 5 when it should be 3.
Regards
Last edited by Philosophical 11; Mar 11th 2020 at 3:37 am.
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The only people who knew my address are the people here in the house and a few close friends. Social media et al has got nothing to do with it. The only way she could have obtained my address is from immigration as I have previously stated.
No idea where you get the idea of squalor from. Certainly its very basic but untidy.
Moving on..... My legal beagle has said that the attorney reckons I am a 90% winner. When I go to see him, I will find out what the 10% is all about. It could be something as simple as "This is the Philippines " I am hoping first and foremost that it will be dismissed by the prosecutor on grounds I have provided proof that she is a bigamist and if my memory serves me correctly, she has filed under section 5 when it should be 3.
Regards
No idea where you get the idea of squalor from. Certainly its very basic but untidy.
Moving on..... My legal beagle has said that the attorney reckons I am a 90% winner. When I go to see him, I will find out what the 10% is all about. It could be something as simple as "This is the Philippines " I am hoping first and foremost that it will be dismissed by the prosecutor on grounds I have provided proof that she is a bigamist and if my memory serves me correctly, she has filed under section 5 when it should be 3.
Regards
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Would certainly be good to understand the number and level of downside risks compared to the upside ones.
As I see it, risks to the downside include:
1. Deportation.
2. Lots of costs, restriction on movement.
3. Living in a shithole, exposing yourself to significant health risks and videoke.
4. In an out of court, paper-work and general bureaucratic nonsense.
5. Getting caught up in more scams and people sponging off you.
6. Loss of face on returning to the UK.
Upsides are:
1. Staying and getting to bang economically and educationally poor women less than half your age.
After a careful analysis of the risks and rewards, I think you stay and fight it out.
As I see it, risks to the downside include:
1. Deportation.
2. Lots of costs, restriction on movement.
3. Living in a shithole, exposing yourself to significant health risks and videoke.
4. In an out of court, paper-work and general bureaucratic nonsense.
5. Getting caught up in more scams and people sponging off you.
6. Loss of face on returning to the UK.
Upsides are:
1. Staying and getting to bang economically and educationally poor women less than half your age.
After a careful analysis of the risks and rewards, I think you stay and fight it out.
Last edited by Millhouse; Mar 11th 2020 at 5:25 am.
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P11s legal beagle reckons he has a 90 % chance of winning his case. I employed the Services of a top attorney in our area. I was assured that I would win the case of Estafa against someone who defrauded is for 1.65 million Php. Despite the attorney reassuring us it was an open and shut case , the prosecutor dismissed it. Our attorney has practiced for 23 years and has been a councilor for many years, yet his advice was proven wrong. We have appealed against the decision and are now awaiting a new prosecutors findings, and are confident a case will be brought against the respondent.Our attorney is acutely embarrassed by his misleading advice and it has spurred him on to make sure this time the facts will be presented more forcefully.
What I would advise P11 is that legal matters do take a considerable amount of time and can be very costly. We paid our attorney 100k retainer fee and 5k for presentation of paperwork to the local department of justice. Should the case succeed and numerous attorney visits be required in court our legal fees will no doubt reflect this.The respondent will have to pay our legal fees should he be found guilty. My observation of the legal system in the Philippines is that it is archaic and preposterously slow.
It had been mentioned to us that the respondent in our case comes from a family that are involved in politics, own some large business’s and are well known . I do wonder if any influence was subjected to the prosecutor’s office by the respondents family.
Incidentally, I have used our attorney ( who we can describe as a friend) on other occasions and found him to be very cheap, however it is without saying that because our present case involves work, and the attorneys signature applied to any paperwork there is no chance he would work for free.
What I would advise P11 is that legal matters do take a considerable amount of time and can be very costly. We paid our attorney 100k retainer fee and 5k for presentation of paperwork to the local department of justice. Should the case succeed and numerous attorney visits be required in court our legal fees will no doubt reflect this.The respondent will have to pay our legal fees should he be found guilty. My observation of the legal system in the Philippines is that it is archaic and preposterously slow.
It had been mentioned to us that the respondent in our case comes from a family that are involved in politics, own some large business’s and are well known . I do wonder if any influence was subjected to the prosecutor’s office by the respondents family.
Incidentally, I have used our attorney ( who we can describe as a friend) on other occasions and found him to be very cheap, however it is without saying that because our present case involves work, and the attorneys signature applied to any paperwork there is no chance he would work for free.
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P11s legal beagle reckons he has a 90 % chance of winning his case. I employed the Services of a top attorney in our area. I was assured that I would win the case of Estafa against someone who defrauded is for 1.65 million Php. Despite the attorney reassuring us it was an open and shut case , the prosecutor dismissed it. Our attorney has practiced for 23 years and has been a councilor for many years, yet his advice was proven wrong. We have appealed against the decision and are now awaiting a new prosecutors findings, and are confident a case will be brought against the respondent.Our attorney is acutely embarrassed by his misleading advice and it has spurred him on to make sure this time the facts will be presented more forcefully.
What I would advise P11 is that legal matters do take a considerable amount of time and can be very costly. We paid our attorney 100k retainer fee and 5k for presentation of paperwork to the local department of justice. Should the case succeed and numerous attorney visits be required in court our legal fees will no doubt reflect this.The respondent will have to pay our legal fees should he be found guilty. My observation of the legal system in the Philippines is that it is archaic and preposterously slow.
It had been mentioned to us that the respondent in our case comes from a family that are involved in politics, own some large business’s and are well known . I do wonder if any influence was subjected to the prosecutor’s office by the respondents family.
Incidentally, I have used our attorney ( who we can describe as a friend) on other occasions and found him to be very cheap, however it is without saying that because our present case involves work, and the attorneys signature applied to any paperwork there is no chance he would work for free.
What I would advise P11 is that legal matters do take a considerable amount of time and can be very costly. We paid our attorney 100k retainer fee and 5k for presentation of paperwork to the local department of justice. Should the case succeed and numerous attorney visits be required in court our legal fees will no doubt reflect this.The respondent will have to pay our legal fees should he be found guilty. My observation of the legal system in the Philippines is that it is archaic and preposterously slow.
It had been mentioned to us that the respondent in our case comes from a family that are involved in politics, own some large business’s and are well known . I do wonder if any influence was subjected to the prosecutor’s office by the respondents family.
Incidentally, I have used our attorney ( who we can describe as a friend) on other occasions and found him to be very cheap, however it is without saying that because our present case involves work, and the attorneys signature applied to any paperwork there is no chance he would work for free.
Regards