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Old Nov 3rd 2018, 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by mikek1
PS. If you need accomodation, or anything else message me via a privite message.
That's a very kind offer Mike. I agree with you and Rete that P11 is in a precarious situation and needs to get out before he comes to real harm.

I know my comments previously had not sat well with you, P11, but I am seriously concerned about you. Someone who is contemplating suicide seriously does not make repeated threats and falsify attempts. What she is doing is manipulation plain and simple. Please consider Mike's kind offer of help. I wish you all the best .
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I agree with the above posts. The woman is a psycho...you need to get out now. Don’t say or do anything to make her or her family suspect...just go while you still can.
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P11,
All has been covered in the immediate previous posts.
It is now time to get out of Dodge. Always remember your life is worth 3,000 pesos!
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The train wreck isn't imminent any more, it's happened. Please extract yourself from the wreckage quietly and stealthily, paying attention at ALL times only to your own physical, financial and emotional well being. Tell no one what you're doing as you make your plans and preparations. No more justifications or excuses to yourself, this relationship has not worked out despite the time, money and effort you've expended on it.
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Greetings!

My health is now a lot better and I took my first walk for about a week this morning. Ok, I guess I am 75% but improving quickly. Looks like the volumes of Gatorade and Dr's meds are doing the trick. My wife appears to be benefitting from her medication....she has got that "glow" back and I can now see a stark difference of what she was and what she had become. However, one swallow does not make a summer...... I am too old in the tooth for that.

Thanks for your replies....especially Rete and Mikek1. I agree with most of what has been said and I understand your viewpoints. I would most probably be saying the same if I was reading this.

Now to bring you up to date. After she threw her wedding ring at me ....the day after my ex-pat friends got involved in her suicide episode, I laid her on the bed after collapsing in a heap and explained carefully how we were to deal with this large "debt" of hers. She should take up most of the responsibility for this and first she needs to cash in her pension fund which I had provided for her. She needs to give up her beloved new motorcycle....money on repayments will go to paying off the debt. I will stop paying her families rent.....that will go to paying off her debt. Then the jaw dropper for her.....I will go back to the UK, get a job and help stabilize financial affairs here plus buy the house.......then return back to Phils. Of course this is pie in the sky. It will be the end of our marriage. She nodded tearfully in agreement....probably realizing this.

I thought that would be the end of the big scam. Yes...I am still calling it that unless I see otherwise. Then she asked me for 6k she owes to a customer who needed the money quickly. Told her I only have 9k which is reserved to pay her private pension plan.....she can have that. I will miss a quarterly payment. She agreed and asked to find out how much the surrender value of the plan was. Which I have done....and still waiting. Going back to "return to UK" plan, I extolled the virtues of this by adding that I can get proper treatment for my back and see my family and friends again. I made a big play on this and she was not very enamoured....

Landlady (via my wife) has been pushing for me to buy this house. And she made an offer. I pay 500k deposit and the balance 1 million to be paid as rent @ 10k pm. Rent to buy agreement. I don't have 500k and we trotted of to the bank to enquire about a loan. The requirements included that the landlady transfer the house title to my name....the land to my wife. The house will be used as collateral. Seems good to me....if things go pear shaped in the future, I will lose the house.....which will not be mine for about 10yrs. Now, whether landlady agrees to this, or we get the loan agreed.....I stand to lose nothing. But this process will take many months.....

So....there you have it. She was called callous....yes....I agree. She certainly can be when she wants to be. Who else would evict her sister? Suicide threats? Not valid anymore....she could have done the deed when I was not at home. There were another two attempts which I have skipped to bring this up to date. But her hysteria was not staged. My welfare? Yes...I am aware of that. I have heard the horror stories of foreigners locked up on trumped up charges. Or drive-by's. But my concern is what is driving all this? I need to find out. There are many ears to the ground.....

Thanks for reading...
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I concur with the above cautions to now cut and run. It should have been done long ago from what is posted.
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Originally Posted by Philosophical 11
Greetings!

My health is now a lot better and I took my first walk for about a week this morning. Ok, I guess I am 75% but improving quickly. Looks like the volumes of Gatorade and Dr's meds are doing the trick. My wife appears to be benefitting from her medication....she has got that "glow" back and I can now see a stark difference of what she was and what she had become. However, one swallow does not make a summer...... I am too old in the tooth for that.

Thanks for your replies....especially Rete and Mikek1. I agree with most of what has been said and I understand your viewpoints. I would most probably be saying the same if I was reading this.

Now to bring you up to date. After she threw her wedding ring at me ....the day after my ex-pat friends got involved in her suicide episode, I laid her on the bed after collapsing in a heap and explained carefully how we were to deal with this large "debt" of hers. She should take up most of the responsibility for this and first she needs to cash in her pension fund which I had provided for her. She needs to give up her beloved new motorcycle....money on repayments will go to paying off the debt. I will stop paying her families rent.....that will go to paying off her debt. Then the jaw dropper for her.....I will go back to the UK, get a job and help stabilize financial affairs here plus buy the house.......then return back to Phils. Of course this is pie in the sky. It will be the end of our marriage. She nodded tearfully in agreement....probably realizing this.

I thought that would be the end of the big scam. Yes...I am still calling it that unless I see otherwise. Then she asked me for 6k she owes to a customer who needed the money quickly. Told her I only have 9k which is reserved to pay her private pension plan.....she can have that. I will miss a quarterly payment. She agreed and asked to find out how much the surrender value of the plan was. Which I have done....and still waiting. Going back to "return to UK" plan, I extolled the virtues of this by adding that I can get proper treatment for my back and see my family and friends again. I made a big play on this and she was not very enamoured....

Landlady (via my wife) has been pushing for me to buy this house. And she made an offer. I pay 500k deposit and the balance 1 million to be paid as rent @ 10k pm. Rent to buy agreement. I don't have 500k and we trotted of to the bank to enquire about a loan. The requirements included that the landlady transfer the house title to my name....the land to my wife. The house will be used as collateral. Seems good to me....if things go pear shaped in the future, I will lose the house.....which will not be mine for about 10yrs. Now, whether landlady agrees to this, or we get the loan agreed.....I stand to lose nothing. But this process will take many months.....

So....there you have it. She was called callous....yes....I agree. She certainly can be when she wants to be. Who else would evict her sister? Suicide threats? Not valid anymore....she could have done the deed when I was not at home. There were another two attempts which I have skipped to bring this up to date. But her hysteria was not staged. My welfare? Yes...I am aware of that. I have heard the horror stories of foreigners locked up on trumped up charges. Or drive-by's. But my concern is what is driving all this? I need to find out. There are many ears to the ground.....

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So what you're saying is that despite all you posted about threats to murder you, threats of suicide, talk of affairs, and yet more debt incurred without your knowledge - you still feel you need to find out more. Sigh.
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I suspect that as all the crazy ones are amazing in the sheets this is the reason you are still hanging around - confusing genuine love/care for something more transactional. I’d take her to Hong Kong for a long weekend where you enjoy yourselves one last time.

At the airport on the way home id pass her the ticket where she is in a flight to the Philippines and you’re on one to Singapore. She isn’t your problem.
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Old Nov 3rd 2018, 7:24 am
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what I'm struggling with is the house. Forget it, it's part of the scam, you can't own the house and if you could how would you ever see your money back. If you split up you could never safely live there. For you to own the house it must be a new build on a clear lot. You can't split ownership on an existing property.
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Hysteria is easily staged. Speed up your breathing, make it shallower and shallower, start panicking, your brain gets less oxygen, lightheadedness follows, dizziness, stress, tears, full meltdown reached.

I'm not commenting on what you should or should not do, you don't listen, you know more of what's going on than you tell us so our words are pointless. Just wanted to put you straight on the hysteria bit.
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Originally Posted by Philosophical 11
Greetings!

Still laid low with a bug on top of a bad cold. Feel very weak with no energy....imagine a body is powered by a battery and that battery is low with no charging taking place. Dr prescribed two lots of vitamins and my wife is mopping my fevered brow plus the odd massage. She herself has been seen by a doctor and referred her to a specialist who has eliminated serious problems that could be causing her "prolonged ladies problems". Diagnosed as hormones shot to pieces and now undergoing medication.

Now, I am jumping a few chapters to bring this up to date.....more or less. I have again "copied and pasted" from an e,mail I have sent and it will not be pleasant reading.


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This is not going to make pleasant reading, but I can only say like it is.
She was away overnight at a birthday party and long story short.....we got into an argument about money whilst messaging. Again. First it was about her overspending her monthly allowance and always asking for an advance. That turned to what I believe is a scam she is trying to pull. Here is the scam....decide for yourself. She was making on-line deals with a new seller and placed a number of orders on behalf of her customers. The seller appeared to be a scammer herself ....took the money....and the jewelry never turned up. I saw the messages between her and the seller and then she was blocked. I was also. I could not see how many or how much jewelry was involved. She said about 5 and now she (me) was responsible for the money she received. She said she spoke to the customers who were understanding and could wait for the money. I found out from her order book, that she owes about 160k to her customers. I asked for receipts for the 160k which she must have got when she sent the orders to the seller. She cannot find any of them. Lost them somehow. Yeah....right. But I have a plan to deal with that if and when she starts asking for it. Hopefully she wont and realizes I have rumbled this scam. I am calling it a scam because of the missing receipts. Anyway....big row started when I said I wasn't going to pay. I didn't say why. Then the threats came....she was going to end her life when she got back from the party.

.The next morning, I sent her a msg hoping she was OK etc, and she told me to get out of the house before she gets back. Otherwise she will kill me. First time I have been threatened. I then made the decision to leave....and told her so. She said that if I was gone and hid the knives, she will douse herself in petrol and light a match. I left.I was on a bus when I got the first of many hysterical calls from her. Demanding that I came home so I can watch her burn. The calls kept coming....I told her not to be stupid. Then the last call I could hear was what sounded like petro; or whatever being poured over her. She was screaming and the phone went dead. I immediately tried to call her parents...no luck. Her sister....no luck. So I left msgs. I then called up 2 ex-pat friends who lived nearby to investigate. I got off the bus to return.

Long story short again. Mates turn up and the gate was locked. Once someone legged it over the wall, they found the house locked up. No-one was there I was told. But after carefully looking inside, they found her on the floor. Then her parents pitched up and they broke into the house. She was unconscious but undamaged. She must have used the shower to simulate petrol poured on her. The place was a mess. All my beer bottles were smashed....ornaments and cutlery every where. She probably fainted from hysterics. She has done that before.I got back 2 hrs later and she was alone sleeping on the bed. The place was cleared up. She wanted nothing to do with me and stared as though hypnotized. This morning, she was the same. I tried to speak to her calmly and it resulted into another outburst. Wedding ring thrown across the room with ornaments and was told to divorce her. She again collapsed and I carried her to the bedroom and kept an eye on her. She woke up and I consoled her for about an hour...talking to her. This resulted in much tears by her and holding me tightly. Crisis was now over.....for now.

.Now, the question I ask is why these sudden outbursts....suicide threats etc over the past few months? A week after our wedding she "lost" her wedding ring down the shower plug hole. So she says. Despite all my efforts, I cannot flush it out. I think its sitting in a pawnshop somewhere. Why should a woman who diligently and meticulously plan a wedding want to sell her ring so easily? My theory is....pressure. This pressure is causing suicidal tendencies. Pressure from whom? Maybe her family are demanding too much money from her. Maybe she is trying to buy back the jewelry she has pawned. Or perhaps.....a boyfriend or husband that wants a payoff. If she has been married before as rumoured, she could end up in jail. If she was having an illicit affair with a boyfriend....maybe he is holding her to ransom. Why would she pawn a cheap wedding ring so easily? Probably stole my ATM card and gave it to her bf whom I saw on the CCTV recording. All conjecture.....but very possible.

Now this shocked me...... She has recently been posting selfie pics with comments in Illongo. I have asked an ex-pats gf to translate and it could be she is alluding to an affair. I was astounded that she or anyone would post such a thing on fb if true. She smiled sweetly and said it was normal. Many will know about the affair and don't care....those that know nothing don't care either. I need to get to the bottom of this. My eyes and ears are open and so are my mates here. She appears to be under so much pressure now that its affecting our relationship. When my two mates were trying to get into the house, her father eventually arrived. He was angry with them even though they were on the scene first and trying to help. He was angry with me when he visited later. Why blame me.....she told me to leave. Its her probably scamming not me. Its me paying off his 35k overdue rent bill. And I could go on..... Maybe he is pissed off that his daughter has been hurt because a rich foreigner has said he would not pay a big money scam. Another threat she made whilst she was hysterical on the phone and pouring "petrol" over herself was that when her family finds her.....they will come looking for me too.This cannot....and will not go on. I have now got some money in the bank to take care of myself initially if I have to go back to the UK quickly. XXXXXXXXX has said he will take me in until such time I get settled. But I need to find out whats going on....and quickly. Could be home for Xmas... ++++++++

Now this shocking episode came about after a few weeks of marital bliss so it came as a surprise. Currently all is fine and in the next update I will outline what I have done if she makes any further demands. Which I can tell you she has.....and the result went to my plan. Which surprised me greatly. Also....a deal from the landlady to buy this house.....which I am putting into place. Think I would call it lip-service....

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My missus is a dizzy one, bad with money, overspends, threatened suicide and told me to leave ( but did drag me back before I got to the gate ), but having read this I can only conclude my missus is one of the sane ones.

There is always space here if you need somewhere quiet to gather your thoughts on your next move.

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Agree with the above comments that she's a manipulator. And the only way to deal with a manipulator, is to not allow yourself to be manipulated.

You should have stayed on the bus, ignored it all, made no effort to find out what was going on. As soon as you go back, she's got you back in the game. If you'd stayed away for a week say, just kicked back, relax, done your own thing, what better way to show her that YOU'RE IN CONTROL, YOU DICTATE WHAT WILL HAPPEN, and it's NOT THE END OF THE WORLD if you do walk.

everytime you scurry back, you reinforce the idea in her head that her manipulative behaviour works, and it's a way for her to get what SHE WANTS.

if she really wanted to kill herself, she would. You can't stop her, and it's NOT your fault that she's a pyscho.

same again if she threatened you with knives, you don't need that rubbish. Take a break for a week.

as soon as you show her you won't stand for this behaviour, in time hopefully she'll change, once she realises SHE CAN'T GET HER OWN WAY.

everytime you let it pass, you're just making things worse for yourself in the long run.

this isn't going to go away, and it will happen again in the future.

personally, I think you're crazy too for putting up with it. I'd have been gone long ago.

I know your argument is that most of the time she's all sweetness and light, but when she's not it kind of puts that in perspective.

anyway, whatever happens, stay safe, and heed the advice of others more familiar with the Philippines than me.
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Pete, sorry to hear about your situation.

​​​​​​​But how much more crazy is to much?

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Hi, I found this thread via “today’s post” 2 days ago and started reading it all in one day. I’m not even interested in living in the Philippines but the story caught me, it’s a real page turner, I’m sure it could be turned into a book or a movie! I hope it all ends well and wishing you all the best, “P11”!
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Hi, I found this thread via “today’s post” 2 days ago and started reading it all in one day. I’m not even interested in living in the Philippines but the story caught me, it’s a real page turner, I’m sure it could be turned into a book or a movie! I hope it all ends well and wishing you all the best, “P11”!
My worry it is that it is tuned into a Netflix docu-drama with a bitter end.
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