Duterte and safe travel?

Old Nov 3rd 2019, 2:14 am
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Hi I visited the Philippines last November to see family friends in Manila, also other friends in bicol region, but to be honest I felt a bit on edge the whole time in Manila! this drug war that's going on scares me abit with so many rogue cops around! also I know duterte doesn't like foreigners very much, I'd like to go in January again 2020. Arriving in malate last year it seemed pretty obvious to me there was alot less foreigners there. Dose anybody else feel this way??
these days I feel abit vulnerable being a lone tourist, being framed, accused of something I haven't done, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time!
The BBC aired a hard hitting documentary the other night called 'On The Presidents Orders' about the drug war, worst than I thought it was to be honest!
I don't do drugs, have you heard of any reports of foreigners being framed by rogue police for extortion for example?
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While I have not heard of any specific extortion rackets with regard foreign travellers, the following information from the UK FO would put me off going to the Philippines:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/philippines

Similar information given by US state dpt.
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Why do Westerners go there ? Because it is cheap ?
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I have been living on the Eastern edge of Metro Manila for the last seven years, away from the usual expat ghettos and have never experienced anything un toward. On the contrary I have found only helpful and friendly people.
Like anywhere there are places to avoid so do your homework and exercise common sense.
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I have been living on the Eastern edge of Metro Manila for the last seven years, away from the usual expat ghettos and have never experienced anything un toward. On the contrary I have found only helpful and friendly people.
Like anywhere there are places to avoid so do your homework and exercise common sense.
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I would never live in or visit Malate
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Originally Posted by scot47
Why do Westerners go there ? Because it is cheap ?
Personally speaking, I am here because it is a beautiful country filled mostly with smiling happy people. My wife is from Philippines, so it a natural choice for me to retire here. We have built 2 homes and about to start on a third. Ive only been living here for 3 years bur I have never once felt intimidated or threatened, wish I could say the same thing about many major cities in UK.
You mentioned...."because its cheap" It is generally cheaper than most western countries, but it isn't as cheap as many people believe.
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or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time!
I was in Iran when that changed hands in 79, Saudi when Mecca got taken over in Haj, Egypt when someone shot Sadat about 100m from my flat, in the middle of Oman/Yemen boarder skirmish face down in a ditch, South America during Falklands war, arrived in the Gulf two weeks before Saddam took Kuwait and upon arriving in Jakarta for a meeting found that my hotel had just been blown up. I have been here for over 10 years and during that time have never felt that I was in the wrong place, in fact it feels like the right place.
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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
I was in Iran when that changed hands in 79, Saudi when Mecca got taken over in Haj, Egypt when someone shot Sadat about 100m from my flat, in the middle of Oman/Yemen boarder skirmish face down in a ditch, South America during Falklands war, arrived in the Gulf two weeks before Saddam took Kuwait and upon arriving in Jakarta for a meeting found that my hotel had just been blown up. I have been here for over 10 years and during that time have never felt that I was in the wrong place, in fact it feels like the right place.
Not sure if that means that the Philippines is a lot safer than those places...or if you are Danger Man and it seems like just your cuppa.
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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
I was in Iran when that changed hands in 79, Saudi when Mecca got taken over in Haj, Egypt when someone shot Sadat about 100m from my flat, in the middle of Oman/Yemen boarder skirmish face down in a ditch, South America during Falklands war, arrived in the Gulf two weeks before Saddam took Kuwait and upon arriving in Jakarta for a meeting found that my hotel had just been blown up. I have been here for over 10 years and during that time have never felt that I was in the wrong place, in fact it feels like the right place.
Ok I guess I'm just being a pussy then. Thanks for opinions
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Ok I guess I'm just being a pussy then. Thanks for opinions
Nothing wrong with being cautious, but especially in or near big cities check up on the area you intend visiting/living in and don't make yourself a target with the gold chain and watch.
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Originally Posted by SanDiegogirl
While I have not heard of any specific extortion rackets with regard foreign travellers, the following information from the UK FO would put me off going to the Philippines:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/philippines

Similar information given by US state dpt.
We got married in South Cebu 2017 as Marawi city was kicking off,foreign office advice was all but essential travel was to be avoided to South Cebu and avoid Mindanao.
We had the occasional PNP checkpoint in the 4 weeks we were there and a Military Police boat off the coast of Sumilon Island and I certainly never felt threatened.

As an aside I was talking to an American expat who lived there and given that all I hear about UK embassy doing sweet fa for British citizens, he told me about receiving a text for US embassy warning of an impending attempted kidnapping the Christmas before and to stay away from the beach (there was) does UK do the same?


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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
I was in Iran when that changed hands in 79, Saudi when Mecca got taken over in Haj, Egypt when someone shot Sadat about 100m from my flat, in the middle of Oman/Yemen boarder skirmish face down in a ditch, South America during Falklands war, arrived in the Gulf two weeks before Saddam took Kuwait and upon arriving in Jakarta for a meeting found that my hotel had just been blown up. I have been here for over 10 years and during that time have never felt that I was in the wrong place, in fact it feels like the right place.
I think you need to let everyone know where you intend to be so we can all avoid and be safe lol
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I think you need to let everyone know where you intend to be so we can all avoid and be safe lol
There were a few work colleagues who actively avoided countries that I was in.
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As an aside I was talking to an American expat who lived there and given that all I hear about UK embassy doing sweet fa for British citizens, he told me about receiving a text for US embassy warning of an impending attempted kidnapping the Christmas before and to stay away from the beach (there was) does UK do the same?
In my experience of over 40 of traveling the world is do not rely upon the British embassy for information. When in Iran in 79 we registered with the British embassy as we were a long way from Tehran. After we noticed a change in political system where we were we phoned the British embassy only to get a recorded message that "At the moment no one is here to attend to your problems", basically they had fled without informing us. If you have other ways of receiving relevant information use it.
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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
In my experience of over 40 of traveling the world is do not rely upon the British embassy for information. When in Iran in 79 we registered with the British embassy as we were a long way from Tehran. After we noticed a change in political system where we were we phoned the British embassy only to get a recorded message that "At the moment no one is here to attend to your problems", basically they had fled without informing us. If you have other ways of receiving relevant information use it.
Well said Stokken. My life experience is similar to yours. I've worked overseas pretty much my entire life since graduating in 1969, in some pretty difficult places, Libya during the Gadaffi coup, Nigeria during Biafra etc. In all that time the only one useful act from the British Embassy was when they sent a lowly minion to see me whilst banged up in a Libyan jail on a trumped up driving offence. The only positive thing about his visit was that he smuggled in a bottle of gin. A godsend in those days in Libya.
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