Why do Australian Nurses think they are thre best in the world
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Re: Why do Australian Nurses think they are thre best in the world
I'm in my first year of training to be a mental health nurse and planning on making my way to Oz as soon as poss, have to say that this doesnt make very nice reading!
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Re: Why do Australian Nurses think they are thre best in the world
Mr A
From reading this post like you , Ive dropped lucky and all the staff are very welcoming. My Nurse Manager is a pom ? , not suggesting that if she was Australian it would be any different.
(you need to cover your back as the friend of the wizard of oZ jumps on you)
Hopefully I will be working as a Nurse on friday once my registration is sorted and I can say I am looking forward to it. The nurse educator for Radiology has kindly looked in to me doing my final module at Deakin University and got me some funding....... nice of her.
When I had my telephone interview in the Uk I was interviewed by two nurse educators who did not question my diploma as all degree and non degree nurses in the UK have the same nursing qualification and the degree intake do supplementary modules to obtain the degree, it was me that asked would it be possible to take my study further .
Also the nurse educators think its stupid an english born / educated person should have to sit an IELTS test. Again this is there opinion.
Just land with an open mind , I hope its improving for the others who are having a bad time.
From reading this post like you , Ive dropped lucky and all the staff are very welcoming. My Nurse Manager is a pom ? , not suggesting that if she was Australian it would be any different.
(you need to cover your back as the friend of the wizard of oZ jumps on you)
Hopefully I will be working as a Nurse on friday once my registration is sorted and I can say I am looking forward to it. The nurse educator for Radiology has kindly looked in to me doing my final module at Deakin University and got me some funding....... nice of her.
When I had my telephone interview in the Uk I was interviewed by two nurse educators who did not question my diploma as all degree and non degree nurses in the UK have the same nursing qualification and the degree intake do supplementary modules to obtain the degree, it was me that asked would it be possible to take my study further .
Also the nurse educators think its stupid an english born / educated person should have to sit an IELTS test. Again this is there opinion.
Just land with an open mind , I hope its improving for the others who are having a bad time.
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Re: Why do Australian Nurses think they are thre best in the world
Nice to know that this situation is not the norm, good luck for Friday
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They certainly are.
I have 24 years experience in mental health (UK trained). To me the services in QLD (colleauges tell me they are better in some other states) seem about 30 years behind and different psychiatrists practice according to their own beliefs. There doesn't seem to be any consistent use of evidence based practice. I work in a private hospital so it is quite strange and seems in a world of its own but we have patients who have been admitted to the public wards and staff who have also worked there and it's not nice. Mostly custodial with few if any therapeutic activities.
I have currently got my Australian credential as a specialist mental health nurse (which cost more money as there is no other formal recognition of mental health nurses since they removed the endorsement off the register), have the masters degree etc, but it makes no difference to my pay or anything. I have often worked with australian nurses who are general trained, no mental health training at all, or new grads deemed specialists because they have just completed an online masters degree in mental health nursing straight after qualifying as a registered nurse so have all but 2 to 3 years post qualification experience - these nurses are in charge of the ward on shifts as there is a pecking order, even if it's not official, like if they've worked there longer or have more hours on their contract. If you're casual, you are the lowest in the pecking order, even if you work more hours than many contracted part time staff, have been there for years and have decades of experiece, so you get allocated all the menial jobs. I have seen this in the public system too. Not that I want be in charge (done my stint in management, just want some clinical nursing part time at this point in my career) but it's amazing and quite disturbing at times to observe and see how things operate. All UK RMN's who come to our ward are in a state of shock after their first day or two. It's taken me a few years to adapt and I don't see things advancing much any time soon.
Sorry - I tend to get on my box
Re - the OP - I don't think Australian nurses on the whole think they are the best and I do work with many excellent Aus nurses who are highly respectful of UK trained nurses and wish they were allowed the scope of practice that we have in the UK. I have met a few who look down their noses but that is their style of practice and they are like that with Australian new graduates as well. It's like you have to do it tough, survive and earn respect from them, but there are people like that in all walks of life.
I have 24 years experience in mental health (UK trained). To me the services in QLD (colleauges tell me they are better in some other states) seem about 30 years behind and different psychiatrists practice according to their own beliefs. There doesn't seem to be any consistent use of evidence based practice. I work in a private hospital so it is quite strange and seems in a world of its own but we have patients who have been admitted to the public wards and staff who have also worked there and it's not nice. Mostly custodial with few if any therapeutic activities.
I have currently got my Australian credential as a specialist mental health nurse (which cost more money as there is no other formal recognition of mental health nurses since they removed the endorsement off the register), have the masters degree etc, but it makes no difference to my pay or anything. I have often worked with australian nurses who are general trained, no mental health training at all, or new grads deemed specialists because they have just completed an online masters degree in mental health nursing straight after qualifying as a registered nurse so have all but 2 to 3 years post qualification experience - these nurses are in charge of the ward on shifts as there is a pecking order, even if it's not official, like if they've worked there longer or have more hours on their contract. If you're casual, you are the lowest in the pecking order, even if you work more hours than many contracted part time staff, have been there for years and have decades of experiece, so you get allocated all the menial jobs. I have seen this in the public system too. Not that I want be in charge (done my stint in management, just want some clinical nursing part time at this point in my career) but it's amazing and quite disturbing at times to observe and see how things operate. All UK RMN's who come to our ward are in a state of shock after their first day or two. It's taken me a few years to adapt and I don't see things advancing much any time soon.
Sorry - I tend to get on my box
Re - the OP - I don't think Australian nurses on the whole think they are the best and I do work with many excellent Aus nurses who are highly respectful of UK trained nurses and wish they were allowed the scope of practice that we have in the UK. I have met a few who look down their noses but that is their style of practice and they are like that with Australian new graduates as well. It's like you have to do it tough, survive and earn respect from them, but there are people like that in all walks of life.
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Doesnt sound idealistic at all.
When you work with conditions like that it eventually leads to the attitude of 'keep your head down and wait for the pay cheque', which isnt the reason I chose to do nursing.
It can also be counter productive, especially in mental health, to have demoralised staff.
Things will probably be great in 5 years though!
When you work with conditions like that it eventually leads to the attitude of 'keep your head down and wait for the pay cheque', which isnt the reason I chose to do nursing.
It can also be counter productive, especially in mental health, to have demoralised staff.
Things will probably be great in 5 years though!
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I've had a similar experience in midwifery in NZ & yet the standard of practice here has seriously frightened me at times. The attitudes of midwifery students & tutors from AUT (Auckland) have amazed me with the total lack of interest in learning & teaching!!!!! Yet they think NZ midwifery is the best in the world. I gave it up a couple of years back now because the frustration of it all just got to me.
I wish I could go back to working in the NHS (& I seriously never thought I would hear myself say that ) but my OH loves living in NZ & his career is going really well. So I'm stuck with not knowing what to do with my life.
I wish I could go back to working in the NHS (& I seriously never thought I would hear myself say that ) but my OH loves living in NZ & his career is going really well. So I'm stuck with not knowing what to do with my life.
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I was both an ICU and CCU nurse in the UK ......and I was told by a grad nurse here in QLD that the lecturers at the local uni state to the grad nurses that Australian nurses are MORE SUPERIOR to the UK nurses ,in fact her exact words were......We are the most superior trained nurses in the world, as per the uni lecturers my response ...Don't think so love
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I was both an ICU and CCU nurse in the UK ......and I was told by a grad nurse here in QLD that the lecturers at the local uni state to the grad nurses that Australian nurses are MORE SUPERIOR to the UK nurses ,in fact her exact words were......We are the most superior trained nurses in the world, as per the uni lecturers my response ...Don't think so love
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Why do you people have to generalize so badly? Apparently from reading the responses from UK nurses in Australia, it's all of you who feel superior!
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
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Why do you people have to generalize so badly? Apparently from reading the responses from UK nurses in Australia, it's all of you who feel superior!
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
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me too, does'nt matter where you trained or where you go, you will get good and bad nursing...same as any job. Its not where you train its how you use that training...Love my job and love working with the student nurses, who often teach me heaps
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Why do you people have to generalize so badly? Apparently from reading the responses from UK nurses in Australia, it's all of you who feel superior!
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
Just because you end up in an environment you don't like, doesn't mean it is "worse". If you don't like it, leave and find somewhere else.
I wasn't the one who stated we were the most superior trained nurses in the world
As a nurse manager at my hospital I have no problem with the enviroment or the Aussie nurses ..in fact I have great respect for the majority of them...
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Well said, hey are you NUM now?? may pop in some day