Moogle87

Hi mooshroom,

That is some excellent advice, if I hear from the teaching agency, I will push them for some proper answers for where these jobs actually are/even exist.

If you have a look at my reply to Bevs you will see that we are no way near the stage of seriously considering a move, I'm just trying to do a fact finding mission to see what the reality is.

Even I'm not too naive to believe that they don't try & pull you in with the fancy marketing & facts & figures, but that actually the reality is very, very different.

I would copy & paste my reply to Bevs, but as I'm on the iPad its a bit more difficult to do this.

I will certainly do what you suggested with the teaching agency though, that was some very god advice, so thank you.

MrsFychan

Hi mooshroom from the dark side

This is very good advice, obviously if the agency tells someone its going to be difficult to get a job they aren't going to get their custom so why would they say that? MrF, whilst in the UK, had agencies saying that the job he had applied for had been filled but were going to put him forward for jobs and then say he was not picked, but we then found out they are supposed to disclose the companies name and their field and ask for his permission to put him forward. which they did not do.

jmh

I'll just make the point that just because a job has 100+ applicants doesn't mean that they are quality applications. I have heard from people getting 200 applications and only three met the minimum criteria. It's the age of the internet, and students/migrants are told to apply for everything on the basis that it's a numbers games so the more they apply for the more likely they will get jobs. Many won't even have English or work experience. One recruiter told me he advertised a job where the person had to be living in Dubai. He had 300 applications from people living in India!

mooshroom

I completely agree with you, but in these cases this definitely was not the case. There were a high percentage who had the necessary skills, qualifications and experience making the selection for interview process a nightmare for those involved!!!!

Moogle87- Some of your posts have come across as not accepting the info people are putting forward, hence the comments people are making. Good Luck and NZ is a great place to live, not somewhere to get rich, however if the country draws you, the negative aspects, of which there are many, are outweighed by the positives relevant to you and your family.

dannigirl

I think it is you who is actually not listening. You state you are not going to contemplate moving without securing a job first. This is a common problem amongst immigrants to NZ, you can't secure a visa without a solid job offer.

I'm afraid what people are telling you is that you are VERY unlikely to secure a full-time permanent post in a good Secondary School in NZ. This is no reflection on you as a teacher, you are probably a very good teacher, but it is far easier for schools to recruit within NZ. The competition for jobs is tough and most schools will likely want NZ experience, which you can only get once here and on the ground relieving or doing supply work. I have several teacher friends and they cling onto any job they can get, and in fact one PE teacher is retraining to early years because of a lack of work in Dunedin. I don't imagine very many schools are going to recruit from the UK, wait for teachers to sell their house in the UK, give and work out notice and then get to NZ, set up, find accommodation. It is just not realistic.

You have to really want to move to NZ to make it all happen, it's not going to fall into your lap. You'll have to make sacrifices and I think what people are telling you is be very careful about making assumptions about living and working in NZ without actually having visited. It can be a great country to live and work in, but there are as many, if not more social problems especially in and around Auckland.

Believe me, it would be a huge cultural adjustment for you to make teaching in some grotty secondary school in overpriced Auckland, where a teachers wage and a minimum pay wage would probably enable you to rent a furnished garage! You might see the UK through different eyes then.

I wish you all the luck in the world but I think you have to reset your expectations.

Moogle87

Hi mooshroom,

Again thank you for the advice, but I will say again what I said on a previous post:

We are no way near the stage of seriously considering a move, I'm just trying to do a fact finding mission to see what the reality is.

I don't really understand how that comment demonstrates that I'm not accepting peoples advice.
What I've said is that I'm trying to find out facts.
Just because I have said that I think that there are jobs somewhere, doesn't mean that I'm not listening to people telling me that I will struggle to get a job.
I 100% agree that I probably will struggle to find a job in the areas that we want to live.
That being said, I don't understand the harm in approaching teaching agencies to see what they have to say.
I'm not expecting a miracle to happen, but if I don't even give it a chance then I really will NEVER be able to get a job in NZ.
Again though, we aren't really anywhere near that point at the moment.
I feel like people aren't accepting the points I'm making.

But once again, thank you to anybody who has taken the time to give their time to answer my post. It really is, very much appreciated.

Moogle87

Hi teejaydee,

First of all thank you for replying to my post.

However, all you know about my husband so far is what I have told you. This is the following:

He is 27 & is studying to be an Accuracy checking Technician soon.

We are looking at moving to NZ for Jan 2018 (IF we do & at the moment this is a big if because we really haven't researched this anywhere near enough & I appreciate what people are saying about the fact that it will probably be quite difficult for me to get a job).

He will looking to get a minimum wage job when we first move out there. Possibly in retail.
I should have specified that by this I mean to start with. Just so that we have a second income coming in. HE (& this has nothing to do with me because I don't tell him where to work, this is up to him to decide) would then ideally be looking to get something a bit better. Maybe using his pharmacy qualifications if possible.
Actually I did write to start with, so I have implied this, although maybe I didn't explain this enough?

He has said that he would prefer Australia. Again, I maybe should have specified that this is on the surface, without doing any research into it, just a pre-conceived idea. That we had an idea that we MAY want to move. I said that I think that I would probably prefer NZ & he said that he would probably prefer Australia.
But this is just on an initial impression without doing any research whatsoever.
I then gave a reason why, on the surface of it, that I didn't think that I could live in Australia.
As this post is written by me I didn't feel that I needed to go into the reasons why my husband had said that he thought that Australia would be better.
However, maybe you could have asked me why he said that he would rather live in Aus?

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that everything is about me, my career, what I want & what I am looking for. Or that he is happy with his job in the UK & that he doesn't want to leave this & that therefore us moving to NZ will mean that it is going to have some negative physchological impact on him.

You have just assumed this & you have assumed wrongly.

I don't mean to be aggressive, but I now feel that I need to defend myself because you have made me out to be something that I am not.

We make all decisions together, we are a team. We may still be fairly young but we have been together for nearly 14 years & lived together for nearly 6.
We know each other pretty well.
We have made many decisions together such as where to buy our first house, when we may want to start having children, that we wanted to get married.

As for the fact that the post has mainly revolved around the fact that I am a teacher, this is true. However, this is because it is my job that will get us a visa. So we have to put me getting a job as the priority because it is my job which will get us the visa & provide us with the income to live off.
Without the visa we will not get entry to NZ.
This doesn't mean that I am forcing my husband to do this or that he doesn't agree with this too.

With regards to his job, he isn't happy with his job in the UK.
Although I feel that you have come to conclusions that he is really happy with his job & that giving it up to move will be a big thing for him to do. I may not have explained that he isn't happy with his job here in the UK. Although if you had asked me, I would have quite happily explained this.

I would also like to point out, that he is actually more in favour for moving abroad than I am.

He has also expressed interest in moving to NZ because he is a huge LOTR fan. He is also very interested in photography & has said that he can imagine himself exploring NZ with his camera & that this would make him happy.

I appreciate that this is not a reason to move half way around the world, but what I am trying to say is that this isn't me forcing him into a move that he doesn't want.
That there are reasons that NZ appeal to him too.

Again, at no point have I ever said that I expect the working hours to be less in NZ. This is an assumption that other people have made.

I have researched Australia, we have BOTH looked at what the reality of living in Australia will be & we have BOTH come to the decision that Australia isn't somewhere where we feel that we would better off living.

I really appreciate your concern for my husband, but I feel that it would have been fairer to me for you to actually ask me questions about his wants & needs rather than make your own assumptions.

I love my husband very much, he means the world to me & I would never force him into something which he didn't want to do. & the same goes for the other way around as well.

Moogle87

Hi dannigirl,

First of all, thank you for saying that the fact that I will struggle to get a job is not reflective of me as a teacher. I actually think that is quite a thoughtful thing to say.

I agree, that based off what I have read I probably will struggle to get a teaching job in NZ in an area where we want to live.
Although we haven't done any research into extended areas around the cities yet.

But I have said this so many times, this isn't me needing to reset my expectations. This is me accepting this & saying OK, well if we can't make this work for us then we won't move.
Because we do have a lot to give up in the UK & we only want to give this up for the right opportunity.

But I'm a firm believer that if you don't try you might regret it & if you don't ask, you don't get.

So I see no harm in speaking to agencies & putting myself forward as a possible candidate.
I feel, that as long as I have realistic expectations (that I'm probably not going to secure the type of job that I want) that there is no harm in doing this. I have also been very honest with the agency that I have spoken to so far & said what areas we would be willing to move to.
I don't want to mess anybody around.
& this I feel, agrees with the comment that you made which is unless you try, it won't fall into your lap.

I also fully agree that we need to be VERY careful to not make assumptions & although I may not have made this clear, I have taken this on board.

This is why, if we still feel that NZ is somewhere where we might want to live, that we will do a reccie trip in Aug 2017.

We have also ruled out Auckland (purely on housing cost because we will not be able to live there), I'm pretty sure that I have written on a post somewhere where I explained that we are possibly looking at Wellington & Christchurch. Not inside the cities, but in that area.
If we do a reccie trip we will spend some time looking at those extended areas & also just exploring NZ in general. From what I have been told, it is a beautiful country.
But we are also very open to any suggestions of where might be good places to live.

Finally, thank you for wishing us luck.

Parnell

Two good posts Moogle87


Sure there are issues, but your doing the right thing to bring them out to view and evaluate.


Good luck

Kotare

On a 'positive' note - NZ (as you probably know) is absolutely incredible if your husband is into landscape photography - coast, alps, fjiords - no money in it, but almost impossible not to get stunning photos wherever you go.

Peter

BEVS

I can promise that both the NZ & the Oz forum members are listening & with great care. It is because they care about what they are reading that they are expressing concern. Myself included.

I'm going to take a last stab at this & will not labour the point further.

With regard to the above quote, here is what should have been written.

"I agree, that based off what I have read here I will struggle to get a full time permanent teaching job in NZ "

No-one is wishing to flick you off or stomp on your dreams. If you have a great desire & feel a push to emigrate to New Zealand then you will find a way , perhaps through retraining into something that NZ wants. I suggested Maths might draw some interest. jmh suggested math and sport.

I will again suggest you contact the NZ teachers council and ask them what would in their opinion optimise your chances of gaining a full time perm job offer from remote over someone NZ qualified on the ground and ready to go.

One other thought is have you done the NZIS points indicator at all?



If you came out at 140 without a job offer, that is an automatic pull from the EOI pool. In theory you could gain a residence visa and then chance your arm in gaining some sort of employment once here.

Another thought is that you again chance your arm - if the push to emigrate is so strong - and you both take up working holiday visas in the hope of getting your feet in the door.

BEVS

One further thought.

I am not sure if your partner is a Pharmacy Technician or not.

If he is , then this is seen as not only a skilled occupation but is also deemed to be in immediate shortage.
This means that an NZ employer is free to offer vacancies to those overseas without having to prove to NZ Immigration or the Nz Dept of Labour that there is no resident or citizen that could take up the post via quals, experience or training.

This occupation is a far more likely bet as a route into NZ than teaching.

He could seek a position. You would come out on temp work visas and once up and running apply for residency under his occupation and job. You could offer free voluntary services at a school . Try for relief work and hope that gets your foot in a school door.

See Moogle1987. We have all been there and done that & know how it feels and the swing of hopes and wishes.

We all love a trier and it would be good to see you making some sound sensible steps towards the emigration that you clearly do wish to achieve.

PB65

Having followed this thread which is now getting pretty long my input for what its worth is for the OP to take input for what it is based on peoples experiences and remember this is a forum with positives and negatives. In forums people sometimes will post negatives that an OP might not want to hear just to generate a OP response, and here there seems to be an abundance of the latter which in the end just goes round and round. Just absorb the feedback into your decision making positives and negatives, plan a looksee trip to NZ and good luck with wherever you the OP end up.

KOH2

Hi Moogle87,
This is just a thought seeing as you're only considering immigration.

If your husband isn't really happy in his job then maybe instead of starting a 2 year training with the pharmacy he could look at the list of skilled jobs in NZ and train in one of these and then you'd have a better chance of getting a visa.

This is something I will definitely be considering (although only once we arrive in NZ, as we don't have enough time prior to that) and loads of other people have factored in into their immigration process.

Best wishes whatever you decide

BEVS

Except much of what has been said is about job prospects. That is one big enormous deciding factor.