You may have PR but be aware....
Mar 27th 2008, 12:15 pm
#16
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
What a f###er
This seems a big can of worms.
So I presume you should have applied to have the RRV re-newed?? (once in NZ).
We need to be in NZ by October this year before our RRV runs out, then just supposing we had to dash back (ie. funeral etc), we would not have the correct 'documentation' to return to NZ???????????????
Am I understanding this right??
Cheers Jads
This seems a big can of worms.
So I presume you should have applied to have the RRV re-newed?? (once in NZ).
We need to be in NZ by October this year before our RRV runs out, then just supposing we had to dash back (ie. funeral etc), we would not have the correct 'documentation' to return to NZ???????????????
Am I understanding this right??
Cheers Jads
Similar issue with getting a new passport, you need to have your visa and permit transferred to your new passport (some countries allow you to travel with valid visas in expired passports, Nz doesnt)
Last edited by newkiwi; Mar 27th 2008 at 12:18 pm.
Mar 28th 2008, 12:55 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Ouch...expensive lesson..
Others are right, if you read the fine print on the Residence PERMIT you will see it says something like "holder may remain in NZ indefinately. Permit expires once holder leaves NZ".
What did immigration stamp in your passports when you returned. If they did not stamp your passports with new RESIDENCE PERMITS then technically you are still without permanent residence permits, and will need to get that sorted out. technically it was your returning resident VISAS that were out of date, not the Residence PERMITS.
it may not be a big issue, because with the amount of time youve spent in Nz you will qualify for Indefinite RRVs, and subsequently residence permits, but you still need to apply for those and ensure you have residence permits as well, you dont want to get tripped up by being technically without residence later on when its too late to easily rectify it.
Others are right, if you read the fine print on the Residence PERMIT you will see it says something like "holder may remain in NZ indefinately. Permit expires once holder leaves NZ".
What did immigration stamp in your passports when you returned. If they did not stamp your passports with new RESIDENCE PERMITS then technically you are still without permanent residence permits, and will need to get that sorted out. technically it was your returning resident VISAS that were out of date, not the Residence PERMITS.
it may not be a big issue, because with the amount of time youve spent in Nz you will qualify for Indefinite RRVs, and subsequently residence permits, but you still need to apply for those and ensure you have residence permits as well, you dont want to get tripped up by being technically without residence later on when its too late to easily rectify it.
Air NZ have also agreed to refund the return tickets, minus an admin fee of course, so overall this oversight or silly mistake cost us about $300.
Mar 28th 2008, 4:27 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Oh that's a relief, really glad you got both the visas and a good chunk of money back.
Mar 28th 2008, 4:40 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Glad you got a happy ending.
I have heard of this before, a friend of ours in AKL went to Ozzy for a business trip, and had the same problem, she had to book a return ticket to get back, she could only get a visitors visa upon return. (however) about 2 two later the whole family was granted residency (that application was started well before she left NZ for trip to OZ) so happy ending.
Moral of this story is ALWAYS make sure your visa's will still be valid for your return. and if this does happen to you, when you book the return ticket make sure the leg you won't be using is refundable.
Adie
I have heard of this before, a friend of ours in AKL went to Ozzy for a business trip, and had the same problem, she had to book a return ticket to get back, she could only get a visitors visa upon return. (however) about 2 two later the whole family was granted residency (that application was started well before she left NZ for trip to OZ) so happy ending.
Moral of this story is ALWAYS make sure your visa's will still be valid for your return. and if this does happen to you, when you book the return ticket make sure the leg you won't be using is refundable.
Adie
Mar 28th 2008, 8:14 am
#20
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
you always need a valid! RRV before you leave the country. There are rules about how to qualify for new returning resident visas once your original ones run out. If you are in Nz and past the expiry date on your visas dont leave the country until you get new valid RRVs. its fine to have to dash out of the nz for whatever reason, just make sure you apply for (and get) a valid RRV before you leave.
Similar issue with getting a new passport, you need to have your visa and permit transferred to your new passport (some countries allow you to travel with valid visas in expired passports, Nz doesnt)
Similar issue with getting a new passport, you need to have your visa and permit transferred to your new passport (some countries allow you to travel with valid visas in expired passports, Nz doesnt)
Mar 28th 2008, 8:31 am
#21
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Not entirely true, we went back to the Uk in October last year and our passports arrived the day before we were due to fly out. I took my old Uk passports with visa's inside and my new passports. No trouble going but coming home from L.A after a stop over the girl said I couldn't travel. I asked her to ring NZ immigration which she did and they said all ok. When I arrived in NZ, they told me to go to the Immigration office asap and get my visa's transfered into my new passport. I would have dont this before I went if I had had the time to do it.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/branc...hHome/faqs.htm
My New Zealand visa is on my old passport and is still valid but the passport has expired. I now have been issued a new passport. Can I travel to New Zealand using the visa on my old passport?
No, a New Zealand visa on an expired passport is not valid for entry. You must transfer your visa to your new passport.
Mar 28th 2008, 8:54 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Perhaps the complicated permits/visas/rrv/irrv etc is NZIS' cunning plan to get more people to apply for citizenship!! I for one am certainly going to apply for my little black book in 2 years, 5 months and 26 days time!!
Mar 28th 2008, 9:25 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
A New Zealand RRV in a cancelled passport is NOT valid for entry into New Zealand. Just because you got away with it does not mean that it is legal and it is irresponsible of you to advise people that it is.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/branc...hHome/faqs.htm
My New Zealand visa is on my old passport and is still valid but the passport has expired. I now have been issued a new passport. Can I travel to New Zealand using the visa on my old passport?
No, a New Zealand visa on an expired passport is not valid for entry. You must transfer your visa to your new passport.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/branc...hHome/faqs.htm
My New Zealand visa is on my old passport and is still valid but the passport has expired. I now have been issued a new passport. Can I travel to New Zealand using the visa on my old passport?
No, a New Zealand visa on an expired passport is not valid for entry. You must transfer your visa to your new passport.
Mar 28th 2008, 9:30 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
I didn't advise anyone that it is legal to travel on an expired visa, I had already rung the immigration people before I left and told them that I wouldn't have time to get it changed. That is why when I was in L.A I asked them to ring immigration in Nz to confirm this. I would'nt have been my ideal way to travel but due to the circumstances they said ok.
Mar 28th 2008, 10:01 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
I guess the moral of that story is never to get caught short.
Mar 28th 2008, 7:50 pm
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Our 2 year returning visas have nearly expired and we will be applying for indefinate returning visas.So does this mean that there will be no restrictions on the new visas? In theory, could one return to the UK for several years and still come back with Permanent Residency? If so, what is the benefit of getting citizienship?
Mar 28th 2008, 8:37 pm
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
Our 2 year returning visas have nearly expired and we will be applying for indefinate returning visas.So does this mean that there will be no restrictions on the new visas? In theory, could one return to the UK for several years and still come back with Permanent Residency?
If so, what is the benefit of getting citizienship?
Other reasons include: Cool blue passport, ability to pass NZ citizenship onto your children, sense of belonging to the country you have committed your future to, ability to invest in New Zealand comapnies without being refered to the FIRB?
It has been suggested that the IRRV might be discontinued at some point because it does make the case for citizenship less clear cut so get it while you can.
Mar 29th 2008, 12:34 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
so supposing I arrived in NZ in oct 07 with a PR visa and rr visa and leave for a holiday in say may 08, does my '2 yrs in nz' have to restart when I return to nz or is it continued from the 07 date?
Also someone told us yesterday that if you leave the country for a holiday and return your ' one year driving on a uk licence' allowance is also restarted? news to me and not sure I believe it!
Also someone told us yesterday that if you leave the country for a holiday and return your ' one year driving on a uk licence' allowance is also restarted? news to me and not sure I believe it!
Mar 29th 2008, 12:38 am
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Re: You may have PR but be aware....
so supposing I arrived in NZ in oct 07 with a PR visa and rr visa and leave for a holiday in say may 08, does my '2 yrs in nz' have to restart when I return to nz or is it continued from the 07 date?
Also someone told us yesterday that if you leave the country for a holiday and return your ' one year driving on a uk licence' allowance is also restarted? news to me and not sure I believe it!
Also someone told us yesterday that if you leave the country for a holiday and return your ' one year driving on a uk licence' allowance is also restarted? news to me and not sure I believe it!
True that on the licence too.
Mar 29th 2008, 12:46 am
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