Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
Mar 16th 2011, 8:23 pm
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
I totally agree and that's what I was trying to say too. It's more an endearing, pride behind the use of the word. And for that very reason I have never heard it used in a derogatory way.
Mar 16th 2011, 8:31 pm
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
Originally Posted by Am Loo
I totally agree and that's what I was trying to say too. It's more an endearing, pride behind the use of the word. And for that very reason I have never heard it used in a derogatory way.
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In fact, last time i was there someone called me a joker.. seemed strange to me but the guy generally used this term for otherfella's too.
That's used around here too Wessa. Not sure it's meant as a joking person as such. It's a sorta slang. I felt it meant bloke. I'll ask
This thread now has made me wonder if the majority who end up staying in NZ actually enjoy it or just put up with it..
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FWIW mate. I enjoy some aspects of my NZ life and I also don't enjoy some aspects of my NZ life. Bit like my UK life was. No change there then
Mar 16th 2011, 11:21 pm
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
He said, and this was 3 yrs ago but i still remember it,
" yeah, and we had this other joker from the uk come work for us"
He was a good bloke, it just seemed strange... Spose i'l get used to it.
Even with citizenship i still wouldn't naturally be a Kiwi.. It's just a state of mind eh..
Mar 16th 2011, 11:36 pm
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
Isn't it only natural that those born and raised in a country will never fully consider those who have moved to that country later on their lives as "real" countrymen of that country? Or perhaps "never" is too harsh but it takes decades to be accepted. Of course, that varies from one country to another.
Mar 17th 2011, 5:02 am
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Yeah, i took it as a bit of slang tbh. I also took it that it ment bloke too but When he said it i strangely felt a bit offended, i dont know why...
He said, and this was 3 yrs ago but i still remember it,
" yeah, and we had this other joker from the uk come work for us"
He was a good bloke, it just seemed strange... Spose i'l get used to it.
Even with citizenship i still wouldn't naturally be a Kiwi.. It's just a state of mind eh..
He said, and this was 3 yrs ago but i still remember it,
" yeah, and we had this other joker from the uk come work for us"
He was a good bloke, it just seemed strange... Spose i'l get used to it.
Even with citizenship i still wouldn't naturally be a Kiwi.. It's just a state of mind eh..
Mar 17th 2011, 7:00 am
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
My grandparents (North of England) used to use 'joker' in the same context. My take is that it is not as neutral as bloke...it implies some degree of disapproval of said person. He could mean the other Brit was the joker and you he doesn't know you well enough yet but you get tarred with the same brush in the meantime.
Mar 17th 2011, 7:04 am
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
Bloke is entirely neutral in my view - often refers to somebody that is unknown to the first person.
Mar 17th 2011, 6:55 pm
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Good for you 
Mar 17th 2011, 11:03 pm
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Re: Why exactly do kiwis emigrate to Australia?
My grandparents (North of England) used to use 'joker' in the same context. My take is that it is not as neutral as bloke...it implies some degree of disapproval of said person. He could mean the other Brit was the joker and you he doesn't know you well enough yet but you get tarred with the same brush in the meantime.
Mar 18th 2011, 12:28 am
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What an interesting thread.
On the subject of being NZ'er, Pom, Kiwi. As someone who is English, emigrated to NZ became an NZ citizen and now lives in Oz on an NZ passport I have a little experience.
In NZ it was always made quite clear to me by a lot of 'kiwis' that I was and always would be a Pom and would only ever be a NZ'er on paper. Such a shame, I find this attitude very sad, and archaic, and feeds the feeling of division that bubbles away under the NZ psyche between kiwis/maori/asian/pom/other migrants, all desiring the ultimate crown of a true NZ'er and excluding all other pretenders to the throne.
In Oz on the other hand, I may be asked where this oddball accent hails from, but I am to the majority of whom I encounter......just me. If I am a good person, am contributing to society, a hard worker and raising good kids then I am an Ozzie...
On the subject of being NZ'er, Pom, Kiwi. As someone who is English, emigrated to NZ became an NZ citizen and now lives in Oz on an NZ passport I have a little experience.
In NZ it was always made quite clear to me by a lot of 'kiwis' that I was and always would be a Pom and would only ever be a NZ'er on paper. Such a shame, I find this attitude very sad, and archaic, and feeds the feeling of division that bubbles away under the NZ psyche between kiwis/maori/asian/pom/other migrants, all desiring the ultimate crown of a true NZ'er and excluding all other pretenders to the throne.
In Oz on the other hand, I may be asked where this oddball accent hails from, but I am to the majority of whom I encounter......just me. If I am a good person, am contributing to society, a hard worker and raising good kids then I am an Ozzie...
I'm from Manchester and I was even asked by the guy handing me my Oz citizenship certificate "which part of the North are you from then?"
We'll always be Brits first and Australians second. I don't have an issue with that. It's just how it is.
Mar 18th 2011, 1:30 am
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Meanwhile, vaguely back on the original topic! Having just spent a lovely weekend in Melbourne, I can see why Kiwi's move across the ditch! As much as I love Welly, being in a bustling large cosmpolitan city was really rather fun 
Mar 18th 2011, 3:26 am
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My problem with being called a “Pom” is that there is a direct correlation between people who call the English “Poms” and people who are, as we call them where I come from, “Willy waving cnuts”.
Mar 18th 2011, 3:31 am
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Mar 18th 2011, 4:02 am
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I don't think the term 'kiwi' is derogatory at all. I think it is a word used with HUGE pride. I personally don't find 'brit, paddy, frog or pom' an insult either ( I am very closely tied to all 3) and I am quite a sensitive individual!!!! They are just words..sticks and stones......