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Old Apr 28th 2010, 5:58 am
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Default We're all about to get a whole lot poorer

Despite calling it a joke during the last election buid up, our
glorious leader Mr Key has decided to go ahead with rolling out
the ETS on 1st july.
This is going to have a knock on effect that will send up prices for
everyday goods and utilities.
What on earth are these idiots thinking of?
Do they seriously think this ridiculous scheme is going to "save the planet"?
what a load of bloody nonsense. This is what happens when you give tree hugging idiots
like the green party a voice and even bigger idiots listen

And if thats not enough the buggers have just anounced fags are going up
by 30% by 2012
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Old Apr 28th 2010, 6:41 am
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How will they stop ETS falling on it's face?
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Old Apr 28th 2010, 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by colandros
Despite calling it a joke during the last election buid up, our
glorious leader Mr Key has decided to go ahead with rolling out
the ETS on 1st july.
This is going to have a knock on effect that will send up prices for
everyday goods and utilities.
What on earth are these idiots thinking of?
Do they seriously think this ridiculous scheme is going to "save the planet"?
what a load of bloody nonsense. This is what happens when you give tree hugging idiots
like the green party a voice and even bigger idiots listen

And if thats not enough the buggers have just anounced fags are going up
by 30% by 2012
Any increase on fags and booze is a good thing. We all know they are both bad for us, they are both luxuries and as such should be highly taxed. And yes I do like beer and wine..a wee bit too much. If you can afford to buy alcohol you can afford the tax. Ditto fags. One assumes the more and more expensive they both come the less we will consume them. That must be good. Where will the tax come from then I hear you cry? The ETS.
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ETS ??
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Old Apr 28th 2010, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by thedtb
ETS ??

Emission Trading Scheme.
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Old Apr 28th 2010, 10:04 am
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Its not just fags and beer though is it?
Are we now to be expected to pay an additional tax on luxuries now simply because we can afford them?


when both of those have gone it will be over to the motorist
to bail out the system, just like the uk.
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That's already started.
Everyone's ACC levies are going up, and it won't all be used for ACC.
You just thought it was bikers didn't you?
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Are they going to charge NZ for the Volcanoes' carbon emissions? If so we're screwed big time.
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Default Re: We're all about to get a whole lot poorer

Originally Posted by Genesis
Emission Trading Scheme.
Emission Trading Scheme??????????????????

that sounds about as descriptive as 'Manchester' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many things i just dont understand
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Isn't ETS an international agreement? Won't NZrisk facing penalties if it does not sign-up?

Isn't it a good thing, for a country that positions itself on the international tourist market as an eco-friendly' destination, to be a part of this agreement?

So much I don't understand too!

I don't hug trees (unless really drunk), but I do value the environment.
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Originally Posted by zoglet
Isn't ETS an international agreement? Won't NZrisk facing penalties if it does not sign-up?
No. And while the averge NZ citizen will be poorer, carbon traders and others in the financial elite will be a lot richer.
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Default Re: We're all about to get a whole lot poorer

Originally Posted by Psychopandy
Emission Trading Scheme??????????????????

that sounds about as descriptive as 'Manchester' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many things i just dont understand

That's alright cos nobody here understands it either, far less the politicians who have signed up for it. Perhaps you can have a read of this and come back and give us a precis.

http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/...tsheet-15.html

Apparently there are 38 countries in similar schemes including the EU which has by far the largest scheme of this kind, I guess they don't make such a big hullabaloo over it, or you would have known all about it. NZ is still in denial, cos they believes they is clean and green already.

There's talk now with Australia having opted for a later adoption, NZ may do the same http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10641509
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Default Re: We're all about to get a whole lot poorer

Originally Posted by colandros
Despite calling it a joke during the last election buid up, our
glorious leader Mr Key has decided to go ahead with rolling out
the ETS on 1st july.
<snip>

And if thats not enough the buggers have just anounced fags are going up
by 30% by 2012
I'm wondering what the BE thoughts are of our 'glorious leader' at present? I had really high hopes for this guy, but his popularity with me is dwindling by the day. Seems to me too many of his strings are being pulled by the Maori party and every week were getting new legislation steamrollered in. I am truly shocked at some of the daily knee jerk reactions and I can't see this guy being there for a second term.

Last week we had the furore over the signing of the 'United Nations Declaration on the rights of Indigenous Peoples' all kept hush, hush and done under cover. Again nobody seems to know what exactly they have agreed to and what it actually means. Crikey we've still not agreed upon the meaning of the Treaty of Waitangi after one hundred and seventy years, so lets go ahead and sign this bit of paper and see if we can't confuse the matter even more.

The Law Commission went to great pains to research and write a 514 page review of the country's liquor laws with no less than 153 recommendations to tackle the country's alcohol problems. The top recommendation of course being to raise the taxes - so the Government chose to ignore it and refused to raise the tax.

The next day the price of a packet of fags up 10% overnight, with no warning after having ruled out increasing tax on alcohol the day before. Aren't they supposed to do these kinds of things in the budget and not sneak the 'under the radar' whilst people are sleeping in their beds?

Still, we're 'considering' raising the drinking age to 20 but we'll kick that one around a bit longer. You can drive a car at 15, have sexual relations, get married and have four kids by the time you are twenty, but though MUST not drink alcohol.
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Bet they raise GST and put paid to the ECE 20 hrs (as is being mooted).
Typical stuff from the right of centre peeps that brought you Thatcherism and George Bush.
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Originally Posted by JAJ
No. And while the averge NZ citizen will be poorer, carbon traders and others in the financial elite will be a lot richer.
Your right, however the scheme does appear to be launched within an international framework. I assume at some point the targets will become manditory.

As I am not in the camp of climate change denial,I think its a good idea and a country like NZ with small population and large carbonsinks will be considerably better placed than many European countries within the framework- just a shame about the remotenes of NZ really.
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