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Old Jun 15th 2017, 12:27 am
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Default Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

This is pretty disgusting

Very shameful as NZ was once near the top.
It's not as though we can't afford it.

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Old Jun 15th 2017, 12:51 am
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If I lived in NZ I would find this report disturbing.
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Originally Posted by geoff52 View Post
If I lived in NZ I would find this report disturbing.
The child homicide rate is worse in Canada than NZ, I would find that deeply disturbing if I lived in Canada.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by Woodlea View Post
The child homicide rate is worse in Canada than NZ, I would find that deeply disturbing if I lived in Canada.
That is the only thing you could come up with .78 vs .9 and ignore the
Teen suicide rate
Children in jobless households
Performance in reading, maths and science
No wonder the country is in the state its in, if you are a typical NZ.
No country is perfect but your response is just pathetic.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by geoff52 View Post
That is the only thing you could come up with .78 vs .9 and ignore the
Teen suicide rate
Children in jobless households
Performance in reading, maths and science
No wonder the country is in the state its in, if you are a typical NZ.
No country is perfect but your response is just pathetic.
It was the only stat I saw that compared NZ to Canada.

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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by LoCarb View Post
This is pretty disgusting

Very shameful as NZ was once near the top.
It's not as though we can't afford it.

https://tinyurl.com/ycuwpnx5
God, that's depressing reading.

NZ is a fairly weird place: when I first moved here I tended to blank out the negatives but as I've settled into living here, I find i can be more honest about it's shortcomings. You'd be surprised how many people will still just blank those kind of statistics.
Same with what's known here as 'the Road Toll' - that's how many people are killed on the roads every year. Lots of people are in huge denial over just how massive the figure is.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by LoCarb View Post
This is pretty disgusting

Very shameful as NZ was once near the top.
When were they near the top? Thinking back over my past 12 or so years, we've been seeing and hearing the same reports from UN, Unicef and others expressing deep concerns over the increasing numbers / lack of improvement with youth suicide and child poverty statistics. Every year it seems to cause the same shock and outpouring of consternation at this shameful 'secret' but it has been widely discussed, reviewed by various Government departments and experts but still no improvement.

The inequalities and linkage between people living in dire social conditions and deprivation has never been more obvious or apparent to me than it has in NZ and is undoubtedly a major factor in these statistics. In my view some really basic education and family parenting programmes are required to provide support for families and intervention; especially where behaviour of drinking, taking drugs, violence and abusive relationships are evident.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by LoCarb View Post
This is pretty disgusting

Very shameful as NZ was once near the top.
It's not as though we can't afford it.

https://tinyurl.com/ycuwpnx5
Just another report and you'll find thousands of them. First of all, most of the data is old and comes from several sources and this point has nothing to do with wellbeing:


Another area where New Zealand performed poorly with a ranking of 34, owing to the 16 per cent of children living in jobless households, only Hungary and Ireland fare worse.


You could have a jobless household for many reasons and Ireland & New Zealand have a small population but high amount of family farms. Even during the boom that figure was high here in Ireland and what is so bad if parents have time for their kids? Some just don't have to work and live off the land (farming, rental income etc.). Some people just work during the season and register as unemployed during the winter, but are still finacially better off than others and have time for kids.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by Bo-Jangles View Post
When were they near the top?
OK. Was a long time ago, late 1970's and earlier (pre neoliberal era) but shows what is possible with a government that cares about it's people.

This has a lot to do with unemployment too, example: 90 thousand under 25's unemployed is pretty sick IMO.

Most people don't know this, but the Government chooses the level of unemployment to control inflation.
It's called NAIRU (Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment) and is set at about 5% of the workforce.

So, one in 20 needs to be unemployed at any one time according to the theory & practice. So don't bash the unemployed. They are possibly doing the rest of us a favour

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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Traditionally in New Zealand we tut a bit and then the government ignores international agency reports.

We've all done the tutting, now for the ignoring part.
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Default Re: Wellbeing of NZ's children places us 34th out of 41

Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
Traditionally in New Zealand we tut a bit and then the government ignores international agency reports.

We've all done the tutting, now for the ignoring part.
Yup.

Seems to have been doing that for many decades.

Originally Posted by Moses
Some people just work during the season and register as unemployed during the winter, but are still financially better off than others and have time for kids
You are havin' a big larf & have no idea of how a 'season' works around here nor who does the work in that season. Mentals & given I live among this you have done my head in.
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You are havin' a big larf & have no idea of how a 'season' works around here nor who does the work in that season. Mentals & given I live among this you have done my head in.
Yes, thought comparing Irish farms with NZ farms was a bit daft.
Average dairy farm in Ireland is 60 cows.
Average dairy farm in NZ 400+ cows.

The days of the small family farm in NZ is long gone.
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Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
Traditionally in New Zealand we tut a bit and then the government ignores international agency reports.

We've all done the tutting, now for the ignoring part.

Yep, New Zealanders are well known for being door-mats.
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Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
Traditionally in New Zealand we tut a bit and then the government ignores international agency reports.

We've all done the tutting, now for the ignoring part.
This year is a General Election year so the tutting will last until the end of November.

Then everyone will go on holiday and by March it all will long be forgotten.
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Originally Posted by BEVS View Post
Yup.

Seems to have been doing that for many decades.



You are havin' a big larf & have no idea of how a 'season' works around here nor who does the work in that season. Mentals & given I live among this you have done my head in.
Well, how does a season work in Latvia for example? So it's better for the childs wellbeing that the parents are both working full time and still don't have enough money at the end of the month.
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