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Old Sep 5th 2015, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by Purrball
No, I'm basing this opinion on your banging on about wine, then saying you don't drink… and weather and BBQ
Blimey, you got me all wrong. :/
The "wine and bbq" was a metaphor. I don't drink and I don't eat bbq either but my friends do, most people do. It was to give idea of what we like as a family. We don't tend to spend a lot.


Originally Posted by Purrball
as well as having kids and hating the cold and damp and somehow imagining that you'll have more leisure time… and that taking their Xboxes away and telling the kids to play outdoors is magically going to turn them into well-rounded educated adults.

You're both middle-aged, you've stated that you're more or less happy in the UK, you don't sound like you're high income earners. You're asking lots of questions about public transport where New Zealand is the sort of place where many people, if not most families, need two cars to organise the day to day activities of a family.
You do make it sound like heaven.
No, we are not high earners.
Sounds familar, most people here need two cars to get around too.
The public transport question is deliberately on a different thread. Planning a holiday/visit is slightly different to living there so - two different threads.

Originally Posted by Purrball
The last barbecue I went to in Wellington was at the height of summer, in mid-February. It was pissing down and thick heavy clouds were rolling in from the Strait, wrapping themselves around the slopes of Ngaio and Mount Kaukau… and there we were, standing around in a bloody garage with coats on, wafting away acrid smoke, living the dream. The idea that you're going to find a fully insulated property in Wellington on the budget you've been discussing sounds highly unrealistic to me.

What you're effectively looking for in your wish list at the top of the thread sounds like a large 4-5 bedroom house in Tauranga or Hawkes Bay, or possibly parts of the South Island where the climate suits. My best guess, and I'm sure that people will tell me I'm wrong, is that to have the sort of lifestyle you imagine you'd like, while giving your kids a nice life, you'd be wanting around a joint income of at least $160-180k pa upwards… and not live in Auckland or Wellington.

Fabulous! Thank you. This is exactly the kind of info we need.
This is why I was asking if the houses only photograph well as some for less than $600 a week (some at around $450) look fab online.
Right, so in order to get a nice, warm house - how much would you say I need?
PS 3 bed is more than big enough for us though

We have no chance of achieving $160k unless we work as much as here. And the whole exercise is then quite pointless.
The figure thing is very much up in the air, I am none the wiser really as there are people who say they have a good life on around $80k...
I know people here who say they struggle on (more than) double our income and we think we have a good standard...

Originally Posted by Purrball
You've had people in this thread, currently living in New Zealand who know the score, recommending you stay put or look elsewhere in the UK. I would take this feedback incredibly seriously and you've repeatedly stated, if you won't move if you can't have this ideal lifestyle and that other people's circumstances aren't easily applicable to your family, particularly when they don't match your rose-tinted vision, then I have to wonder what the purpose of this discussion is.

Cheers!
I am taking it very seriously. I don't necessarily write on public forums all I think though.
We are exploring possibilities and haven't yet decided on anything. We will however come over for a holiday which then, if everything falls into place, might turn into a move. Or it might just be a fab holiday.

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Old Sep 5th 2015, 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by concretepump
hi we moved to nz Tauranga in 07 with a job to go two , my wife tried every where, to get a job could not so wanted to come home we both agreed to do that, don't regret moving in fact would do it all over again, but for us when we came, back we put our mortgage up double started our old business back up, still going well ,but means we wont pay off mortgage until we retire, where as if we had stayed in uk we would be mortgage free now
but we made lots more friends , and still go back for holiday's
but don't be put off , if you want to do it its your money we only live once good luck
Thank you, concrete pump.
We share a similar view to life.
But good to know to try to secure a job for me too before getting there.
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Old Sep 5th 2015, 7:21 pm
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My husbands job is 70 plus overtime.we pay 350 pw rent.
I'm not sure where your getting your rental budgets. Your planning on spending half your income on rent. I'm sorry you won't be able to survive on that regardless as to where you are.

What do you do for a living? Women in General are paid minimum wage unless highly qualified . I'm not sure what job your looking for that pays 60k. Police officers probation officers and head nurses ect are paid them sort of salaries.

What does your husband do? What visa are you going on?


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Originally Posted by salmoncolour
We still are. Not sure what made you think otherwise. Sorry if I phrased something badly and it sounded like we don't.


:/ I've not had time to compare rainfall but would not really like going into more rain than we have here... :/ This is bad enough...


When you say "leave", do you mean leave NZ or leave UK? I am guessing NZ looking at your location (UK - NZ - UK).
Was it just generally the system you are unhappy with or anything in particular?

And yes, absolutely. Your responses have given us loads of food for thought, made us rethink some points and question others. Overall, we have decided to come over for a visit and just take it from there.
We stayed 6 years, we spent three of those trying to return!

We worked out that even with a good salary, we were using our house capital from the UK just to survive. You cant eat the scenery. Sure its amazing, the beaches are awesome, etc but for me, I felt retired and we were in Auckland. It was boring. The kids didn't want to go to the beach, our two boys spent more time on the xbox.
I think the first year when our son bought his books home from primary for the summer holidays and most were untouched. The attitude at our daughters year 11 parents evening just said enough enough.
Follow your dream, we tried and we came home, to a brand new area and love it.
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It's safer to spend no more than about 1/3 of your income on rent or mortgage when that income is less than $100k. Above that, in a small family, you can start to spend a larger proportion.

Wrt dentist and doctor fees - this depends somewhat on the age of your kids. Primary and high kids get a free dental visit and all subsequent work per year. GP visits for under 13s are now free - or about to become, I forget which.

I think it is possible to budget for $250 for groceries per week for family of four if you don't have pets, have someone who has the time to shop about and to cook properly. $300 would feel a lot more comfortable but on $70k I don't think that is realistic. If you don't have kids' activity fees then that is a real saving and team sports here are the cheapest activities so if they are inclined, steer them that way. It should be doable to have one car if you live in the suburb you intend your kids to attend school in and if that suburb has good amenities or a good commute option for the working person in the family. On $70k this is very desirable. you need to think about having enough in your budget to put aside money for clothing, birthday, Xmas, hols, emergencies, schooling related costs (couple of hundred per year for primary kids with no uniform rising to closer to a thousand for kitting out in uniform, stationary, school 'donations' and NCEA (exam) costs for a high school kid - plus more for camps etc) and so on. You need to think carefully about bills on $70k. We spend approx $200 -$250 per month on gas and electric averaged out over the year for a tiny 3-bed that is ok in winter but not great. We run a heat pump almost 24/7 in winter plus a small tower fan heater, we have gas hot water and hob and electric oven. We live in the Waikato.

I get that you are excited but you need to actually hear the concerns being expressed about the apparent mismatch in your expectations and your potential income. I think it would help hugely if you tell us what your current income is and what proportion you spend in housing.
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Originally Posted by moving2NZ2013

What do you do for a living? Women in General are paid minimum wage unless highly qualified . I'm not sure what job your looking for that pays 60k. Police officers probation officers and head nurses ect are paid them sort of salaries.x
I just feel I need to comment on this. Senior clinical nurses who do not become specialists, team leaders or management can earn circa $70-80 plus penals. Salaries for senior nurse managers tend to be >$100k. Women, in general, do earn less than men but the reasons for this are many and complex and no different to anywhere else. You do not need to be highly qualified to earn above the minimum wage. The poster stated that her current role in the UK seems to attract a salary in NZ of approx $60k - there's no need for you to speculate that as a women she's likely to earn minimum wage unless highly qualified. In fact, it is quite unhelpful.
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Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
I just feel I need to comment on this. Senior clinical nurses who do not become specialists, team leaders or management can earn circa $70-80 plus penals. Salaries for senior nurse managers tend to be >$100k. Women, in general, do earn less than men but the reasons for this are many and complex and no different to anywhere else. You do not need to be highly qualified to earn above the minimum wage. The poster stated that her current role in the UK seems to attract a salary in NZ of approx $60k - there's no need for you to speculate that as a women she's likely to earn minimum wage unless highly qualified. In fact, it is quite unhelpful.
Apologises , I thought she meant she assumed she would get a job on that not that her field of work she's already in would offer her that salary.
If they both worked full time I think they'd be fine here.

Re nurses I mean supervisors when I say head nurses. A lot of my friends are nurses and aren't on a big wage.

Maybe I'm going on my experiences here and in this specific area in nz .
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Nurse supervisors? Nurses do do supervision (of more junior nurses and of nursing students) but that's not necessarily an especially senior role. Nursing pay and conditions are generally dictated nationally. Here's a link to give a feel for nursing salaries: Registered Nurse

If you have pals nursing full time and earning $60 before tax then I suggest that they are either in the early years of their career or not particularly career orientated and not including penals in that calculation. Nothing wrong with any of that but $60k for a senior nurse would be the very low end of senior pay scales - possibly the sort of wage from working in private aged care or similar?

No need to do the "I won't contribute to this thread anymore" flounce. I needed to comment on your post as it was bordering on nonsense and couldn't be left without comment. You don't need to take that personally.
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Hi Salmon, I would concur with a lot of other posters, especially Mrs Fychan.

It's ok living here however I find it harder living here than the UK. We are lucky, we have found a little rental in central Auckland that is dry (it has an HRV) system and we heat rooms with heaters. It costs us $900 a week though. That said we were previously paying $800 a week for a drafty, damp (think mould growing on the walls), uninsulated house. From the rentals we looked at the latter is the norm. If you move further up the North Shore it gets cheaper however I don't know what the standard is and the commute is too bad.

Anyway one of the areas you've asked about is education. I again would concur with what a few others have said. I have had my children in both state and private schools here - neither are a patch on what we had available in the UK. The state schools they attended had classes bursting at the seams with no teaching assistants. School books came home hardly touched, very little writing and not much taught. I would guess the curriculum standards are about a year behind in the state system and 2 years in the private system. The numeracy strategy has recently been criticised widely. This is one of the major reasons we will be returning home. It's fine if you are going to stay here and your children are going to work here - after all lots of people do very well. However I want my children to have internationally recognised exams. You can do this here (Cambridge or IB) however generally it's the private schools that do it.

I just find living here the out flow of money is constant. Choice is limited which makes getting anything just a chore.

Healthcare is now free for under 13's, previously it was $50 a trip. If you have to go back for the same thing another $50, thanks. Accidents are covered on ACC but not everything. I liked in the UK that I had our family doctor, you don't get that feel here, it's much more impersonal. That said we are in Auckland, I am sure it's different in the rural towns.

Lastly it is expensive to get here. When you get here you seem to be paying out all the time. Then it's expensive to go back.
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Sorry just read my post and it sounds like we are moving home because of the numeracy strategy. I didn't mean that I meant because of the low standard of education :-)
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Originally Posted by salmoncolour

I think you need a sharpen your pencil and get back to the drawing board. As indicated by Mrs F on $70k per year your take home pay per week will be $1,056 per week. The cost of living indicator shows the average weekly outgoing was $1,140 per week in 2013 (assuming housing and utilities to be $272.90 per week) - so if you are looking at paying $600pw on rent and $50pw on power, you would already be bankrupt to the tune of $350 bucks per week.


That budget is based on the 'average' kiwi household from two years ago; the majority of Kiwi families are not exactly 'living the dream' - read that as hardy folks who live on low-budget because they have to and see no need to heat or insulate their home; growing their own veg, bartering half a cow or shopping around to the nth degree and living on specials, holidaying (if at all) locally at the family bach or camping.


I have to laugh at that cost of living indicator even assumes that you will make on average $28 per week from 'sales, trade-ins and refunds' because that's generally what makes the world go around here. Heavily reliant on the second-hand market, Trade-me and buying / selling their household effects to make ends meet.

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Originally Posted by moving2NZ2013
What do you do for a living? Women in General are paid minimum wage unless highly qualified
I don't have much to contribute to this thread, but thought I would jump in and say how untrue this statement is. I'm not sure what you are basing your thoughts on Moving2NZ but it's incorrect. There are heaps of jobs women work in that pay above minimum wage without being highly qualified. When I first moved here I worked in hospitality, admin and cleaning. All of which paid more than minimum wage and not classed as needing high qualifications. My OH just mentioned the call centre workers in his company get well above minimum wage.

I'm with Bourbon Biscuit on this one. I don't think it's fair to make statements like this without much thought or fact behind it, especially to potential migrants.

Anyway, that's all from me! As you were...
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I don't have much to contribute to this thread, but thought I would jump in and say how untrue this statement is. I'm not sure what you are basing your thoughts on Moving2NZ but it's incorrect. There are heaps of jobs women work in that pay above minimum wage without being highly qualified. When I first moved here I worked in hospitality, admin and cleaning. All of which paid more than minimum wage and not classed as needing high qualifications. My OH just mentioned the call centre workers in his company get well above minimum wage.

I'm with Bourbon Biscuit on this one. I don't think it's fair to make statements like this without much thought or fact behind it, especially to potential migrants.

Anyway, that's all from me! As you were...
I was typing a reply quick and it was worded wrongly and I have apologised. I didn't mean to generalise.

I'm just going on what I have seen and the people I have met. No need to jump me.
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I must admit to not having read all this thread but commenting on the post above, I certainly wouldnt go as far to say New Zealanders are generally more or less living off the bones of their backsides than anywhere else. A lot of people I know are frequently taking overseas holidays. I think something like a million of us have holidays in Australia every year, not counting other destinations, for example. And going by the crush at Sylvia Park yesterday morning I dont think retail is doing too shabbily. Although holidays on 60k with a family is pushing it. Its normal for both spouses or partners to be working here.
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I was typing a reply quick and it was worded wrongly and I have apologised. I didn't mean to generalise.

I'm just going on what I have seen and the people I have met. No need to jump me.
That's all good, wasn't jumping. Just correcting so that the OP (or anyone else) doesn't get incorrect info. After all our "job" is to give advice and (hopefully) facts about NZ to help them judge for themselves whether or not it's a good move.
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