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Charismatic Jun 26th 2014 9:50 pm

Thinking of the First World War
 
On the 28th of June 1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand (heir to the Austro-Hungarian empire) and his wife where assassinated. Sadly the assassination proved a trigger point that activated a series of complex military pacts and alliances that would quickly plunge Europe into the First World War.

Given the immense toll of death and suffering endured by people I think these events as much as any deserve a few moments of quiet reflection.

Beaverstate Jun 26th 2014 9:53 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 

Originally Posted by Charismatic (Post 11316835)
On the 28th of June 1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand (heir to the Austro-Hungarian empire) and his wife where assassinated. Sadly the assassination proved a trigger point that activated a series of complex military pacts and alliances that would quickly plunge Europe into the First World War.

Given the immense toll of death and suffering endured by people I think these events as much as any deserve a few moments of quiet reflection.

Very true.

And once again Germany runs Europe, the more things change...

scot47 Jul 2nd 2014 11:10 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Have you noticed that they have started using the expression "The Great War" again ? The militarists today are not the Germans !

Charismatic Jul 4th 2014 10:41 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Germans have little interest in military power and also distrustful of security services generally post-reunification. During the recent incidents with Edward Snowden the German media struggled to explain to Germans why telling the truth about spy activities had not provoked political action against spy agencies.

I would argue that of any country in Europe the UK has most military power and declining political stability in recent years which is souring relations with Europe. The situation is, needless to say, very different to the situation proceeding either war. Sadly despite the present political situation in the UK with respect to Europe it has opted to retain a stockpile of nuclear weapons as well as a large conventional force at great expense. As Germany engages with the EU and surrounding European countries the UK is becoming increasingly isolationist and politically fractured.

scot47 Jul 22nd 2014 7:19 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Germany has come to terms with the demons from its past. We cannot say that about London.

Hazelnut Jul 25th 2014 7:15 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Living in the UK at the moment I find it truly scary how many political parties are using language used very successfully in the past by warmongers to create a 'them and us' dichotomy and a demonising of the vulnerable.

I find it humbling and awe inspiring how many people were willing to lay down their lives so I can have the life and opportunities that I do.

Charismatic Jul 28th 2014 9:49 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
100 years ago Austro-Hungary declared war on Serbia.

RedDragon2008 Aug 4th 2014 11:41 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 

Originally Posted by Charismatic (Post 11351029)
100 years ago Austro-Hungary declared war on Serbia.

How long before Russia performs blitzkrieg on it's western front.

Charismatic Aug 14th 2014 4:27 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
On the 11th of August Field Marshal Earl Kitchener asks for 100,000 men to swell the army, this was done in just two weeks.
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/PIX/kitchener.jpg

Most had probably assumed the war would be short.

It's easy to be jaded now about their nationalism, belief in empire and patriotic fervour but for them it really was the love that asked no questions.


scrubbedexpat094 Nov 10th 2014 11:42 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Lest we forget.

Charismatic Feb 17th 2015 1:26 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
On the 19th of February, 1915 the British began the bombarded Turkish forts in the Dardanelles using naval ships. Sadly this did not go well and would eventually lead to the landing at Gallipoli by the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force.

Charismatic Apr 24th 2015 1:40 pm

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Having been delayed by two days by bad weather troops landed. Initially casualties where inflicted but the Turkish forces where not adequately numerous or well supplied to form a counter-attack. However the allies quickly lost momentum and failed to exploit the opportunity which allowed the Turks to regroup.

scot47 Apr 26th 2015 2:04 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 
Who was the aggressor ? The Ottoman Empire or the British Empire ?

Gordon Barlow Apr 28th 2015 5:17 am

Re: Thinking of the First World War
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11629373)
Who was the aggressor ? The Ottoman Empire or the British Empire ?

Well, the Turks didn't invade Britain or any of its imperial units, that's for sure!

My then girl-friend and I visited Gallipoli in 1965, as part of our backpacking adventure around the region. Its museum at that time was (from memory) a tatty little hut with a couple of rusty Enfield rifles inside, and a scruffy young shepherd who sold us a ticket for about a penny. The Turkish government at the time didn't regard the invasion as at all important. Since then, of course they've recognised the tourism opportunities in remembering what happened there.


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