Should we move to NZ?
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
I would also recommend taking a look at Australia. Secondary teacher is on the skilled occupation list and salaries are considerably higher than in New Zealand.
Compare the teacher salaries of the various Australian states to New Zealand by looking at the actual labour award contracts (available on all the state/territory Education Department web sites) not aggregation web sites like glassdoor etc.
Though getting a teaching job in Australia as an outsider is at least as challenging as it is in New Zealand, if not moreso.
Compare the teacher salaries of the various Australian states to New Zealand by looking at the actual labour award contracts (available on all the state/territory Education Department web sites) not aggregation web sites like glassdoor etc.
Though getting a teaching job in Australia as an outsider is at least as challenging as it is in New Zealand, if not moreso.
#17
Re: Should we move to NZ?
Teachers are not considered to be in shortage here in New Zealand so this occupation does not appear on the shortages lists. In fact there has been a glut of home grown teachers familiar and trained in NZ ways and Te Reo who have been unable to find full time long term positions.
Many do supply work or are on one year renewable contracts. This would not satisfy NZ Immigration with regard to the ability to settle long term test.
Oddly though , the Dept of Education does appear as an NZ Immigration Accredited Employer .
Many do supply work or are on one year renewable contracts. This would not satisfy NZ Immigration with regard to the ability to settle long term test.
Oddly though , the Dept of Education does appear as an NZ Immigration Accredited Employer .
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
If OP gets Australian PR as mentioned above, they could go to New Zealand on that visa and get work. Perfectly legal to do this. Australian PR holders are automatically granted NZ PR on arrival, but can't access benefits right away and have some other restrictions.
But OP would need to be sure that this strategy could eventually lead to NZ PR - a New Zealand-based migration agent would need to advise.
I also have no idea what it would do to OP's status in New Zealand, if they are there when the travel facility on Australian PR expires after 5 years, if they haven't sorted out an appropriate NZ visa.
There are some Australian teachers in NZ but not that many because of the salary differential, the migration pattern is the other way.
Not as easy as it used to be, to get to NZ or Australia, and the days of people just showing up and getting teaching jobs on the spot ended about 15 years ago.
But OP would need to be sure that this strategy could eventually lead to NZ PR - a New Zealand-based migration agent would need to advise.
I also have no idea what it would do to OP's status in New Zealand, if they are there when the travel facility on Australian PR expires after 5 years, if they haven't sorted out an appropriate NZ visa.
There are some Australian teachers in NZ but not that many because of the salary differential, the migration pattern is the other way.
Not as easy as it used to be, to get to NZ or Australia, and the days of people just showing up and getting teaching jobs on the spot ended about 15 years ago.
#19
Re: Should we move to NZ?
We also want our children to grow up in a world not dominated by social media and a culture that moans about everything whilst doing nothing to improve it. Is life in NZ good with children? Can kids still be kids until they are in their teens? Or is it similar to the UK when they rush to be adults and then moan about missing out on things when they were younger?
Surely that's down to personality and parenting, not country? My 14 year old has no interest in social media, drives me up the wall as she never has her phone on, and spends 80% of her free time outside. We're in the UK, and many of her friends are exactly the same, don't assume that it's country specific.
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
To sum up.......the education system in NZ is DIFFERENT to the UK - not better, not worse - just DIFFERENT. Some kids will leave after year 13 and go to University, and some will be successful in trades or other careers. We follow a different curriculum, we have a different exam system at secondary level. No, it is absolutely not the UK 30 years ago, that wouldn't make any sense. We live in the same world with the same access to technology, same teenage issues etc.
There are low decile schools and high decile schools which are just reflections of the socio-economic area they are based in. Some people make the mistake that schools and therefore teachers are better because they contain richer kids - absolutely not true, but that is the same as the UK.
We are an English speaking country with close ties to the UK, but that doesn't make us the UK on the other side of the world. I would say our education system is mostly similar to the Australian system, but not so much the UK or US or Canada. Why would it be?
There are low decile schools and high decile schools which are just reflections of the socio-economic area they are based in. Some people make the mistake that schools and therefore teachers are better because they contain richer kids - absolutely not true, but that is the same as the UK.
We are an English speaking country with close ties to the UK, but that doesn't make us the UK on the other side of the world. I would say our education system is mostly similar to the Australian system, but not so much the UK or US or Canada. Why would it be?
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12130851
Straight after reading this thread I saw this article in the Herald which may be of interest
Straight after reading this thread I saw this article in the Herald which may be of interest
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
https://www.seek.co.nz/job/37302212?type=standout
And this is the advert from the agency that are recruiting on behalf of the government
And this is the advert from the agency that are recruiting on behalf of the government
#23
Surely that's down to personality and parenting, not country? My 14 year old has no interest in social media, drives me up the wall as she never has her phone on, and spends 80% of her free time outside. We're in the UK, and many of her friends are exactly the same, don't assume that it's country specific.[/LEFT]
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https://www.seek.co.nz/job/37302212?type=standout
And this is the advert from the agency that are recruiting on behalf of the government
And this is the advert from the agency that are recruiting on behalf of the government
The trick with this is to ensure that any contract will fulfill the NZIS criteria for a Work to Residence visa. ( Note: As stated the Dept of Education is an Accredited employer)
Job must be full time & permanent & salary over the two years should be $55K pa I believe.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12130851
Straight after reading this thread I saw this article in the Herald which may be of interest
Straight after reading this thread I saw this article in the Herald which may be of interest
The NZIS shortage lists are adjusted twice a year. October and June.
For the hopeful immigrant one would want to see teachers as an occupation reappearing on the long term shortage list as that gives valuable points towards a skilled migrant residency visa.
What you wouldn't wish to see is the occupation merely making the immediate shortage list. That would mean the aim really is to use the overseas folk as stop gaps until the home growns come through. Often this means a lower salary and a year on year contract. That makes it very difficult to apply for NZ residency.
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
What you wouldn't wish to see is the occupation merely making the immediate shortage list. That would mean the aim really is to use the overseas folk as stop gaps until the home growns come through. Often this means a lower salary and a year on year contract. That makes it very difficult to apply for NZ residency.
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
Would you though? as they do not have NZ experience " Teaching experience on its own will not be sufficient for registration in New Zealand. To be considered satisfactorily trained to teach you need to have a tertiary level qualification that includes sufficient elements of teacher education and pedagogical study" this was taken from Pathway to teaching. I also think they need to be aware and show they understand the Treaty of Waitangi but may be incorrect on that one, perhaps a teacher registered overseas that has successful gained employment can answer that.
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#27
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There I something wrong with this country if only because of the epidemic bullying that is abroad, the terrible suicide figures and the appalling road death toll, which they all seem to blame on ‘the roads’. Drivers kill each other and themseves. Not roads.
Last edited by Genesis; Sep 25th 2018 at 11:37 pm.
#28
Re: Should we move to NZ?
I would also recommend taking a look at Australia. Secondary teacher is on the skilled occupation list and salaries are considerably higher than in New Zealand.
Compare the teacher salaries of the various Australian states to New Zealand by looking at the actual labour award contracts (available on all the state/territory Education Department web sites) not aggregation web sites like glassdoor etc.
Though getting a teaching job in Australia as an outsider is at least as challenging as it is in New Zealand, if not moreso.
Compare the teacher salaries of the various Australian states to New Zealand by looking at the actual labour award contracts (available on all the state/territory Education Department web sites) not aggregation web sites like glassdoor etc.
Though getting a teaching job in Australia as an outsider is at least as challenging as it is in New Zealand, if not moreso.
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Re: Should we move to NZ?
Well Helloooo Genesis, hows life treating lately?